Foxhunter Pub Closed by Revenue ?

average_runner

unkel wrote: »

There are already 4 McDonald's in Lucan. Which is absolutely ridiculous for a population of 50k. I say no thanks.

In lucan there is only two. Village and superquinn. 2 too many though.

Can't see much happening yet though

ArthurG

Oh well. The Avoca dream is well and truly dead.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/commercial-property/foxhunter-pub-between-lucan-and-palmerstown-back-on-market-1.3685951

alias no.9

It's getting towards a point where it needs to get listed on the derelict sites register

brick tamland

Just needs to be bulldozed at this stage. An eyesore. Building can't be saved at this point. Nothing's going to open there with traffic flow.

DopeTech

Amazing a place the size of this can just be let go to ruin for over 6 years. Any news on what's next for this site?

ArthurG

Sir Dosser wrote: »

Amazing a place the size of this can just be let go to ruin for over 6 years. Any news on what's next for this site?

Next local elections are in May. Demand answers from potential candidates and in particular incumbents who are presiding over this mess.

L1011

ArthurG wrote: »

Next local elections are in May. Demand answers from potential candidates and in particular incumbents who are presiding over this mess.

What are the council doing that has any impact on this? This is developers and banks fighting.

ArthurG

L1011 wrote: »

What are the council doing that has any impact on this? This is developers and banks fighting.

It has absolutely nothing to do with banks and developers.

L1011

ArthurG wrote: »

It has absolutely nothing to do with banks and developers.

Explain your reasoning.

magicray

Aw I was hoping to see a good update here when this thread popped up

Sad to see the state it is in now

godtabh

L1011 wrote: »

Explain your reasoning.

I'd say its planning. Look at the 16 apartment planning application Got refused on the grounds of intensification of the slip road. TII would have a field day on any development here.

Chances of anything going in here are slim to none.

L1011

Councillors have no influence over TII, thankfully. SDCC have tried to do some bloody stupid things and had TII stop them.

Harassing councillors and candidates over something they cannot do anything about is pointless.

godtabh

L1011 wrote: »

Councillors have no influence over TII, thankfully. SDCC have tried to do some bloody stupid things and had TII stop them.

Harassing councillors and candidates over something they cannot do anything about is pointless.

If the lands were rezoned and you could get an access through Hermitage Garden you would probably get 28/30 houses on the site. Thats where you lobby your councilor.

No chance of access via slip road.

L1011

Very unlikely that number of additional units would be allowed on to an internal road in a housing estate.

godtabh

L1011 wrote: »

Very unlikely that number of additional units would be allowed on to an internal road in a housing estate.

No technical reason why it couldn't. It would be a local issue.

L1011

godtabh wrote: »

No technical reason why it couldn't. It would be a local issue.

Would need to spend an entire day reading DMURS and similar to be certain but I could see the road capacity being a limiting factor.

As goes local factors, residents in that estate would be unlikely to be happy; particularly as there'd almost definitely be pedestrian/cycle permeability to the sliproad which residents associations usually scream from the rooftops against

godtabh

L1011 wrote: »

Would need to spend an entire day reading DMURS and similar to be certain but I could see the road capacity being a limiting factor.

As goes local factors, residents in that estate would be unlikely to be happy; particularly as there'd almost definitely be pedestrian/cycle permeability to the sliproad which residents associations usually scream from the rooftops against

A road size like that has an AADT of about 750 cars. 34 houses will have an AADT of about 200. Road capacity wont be an issue. J

unction capacity maybe but that can be solved. The R136 is signalized and there are 2/3 other access points.

That approach would be a lot more favorable compared to the going onto the slip road. Most developers wouldn't have the stomach with dealing with locals but if you have sank €7.5m into it, it might be the only way to get your money back. Would also depend if its TIC.

L1011

Its not on the unadopted list from 2016 so safe to assume it is

https://www.housing.gov.ie/sites/default/files/publications/files/initiative_to_accelerate_taking_in_charge_of_residential_estates_-_initial_list_0.pdf

JimsAlterEgo

godtabh wrote: »

A road size like that has an AADT of about 750 cars. 34 houses will have an AADT of about 200. Road capacity wont be an issue. J

unction capacity maybe but that can be solved. The R136 is signalized and there are 2/3 other access points.

That approach would be a lot more favorable compared to the going onto the slip road. Most developers wouldn't have the stomach with dealing with locals but if you have sank €7.5m into it, it might be the only way to get your money back. Would also depend if its TIC.

surely the amount of traffic when it was a busy pub was a lot more than if it was made residential, cannot see the logic in not allowing them exit onto the slip road

L1011

JimsAlterEgo wrote: »

surely the amount of traffic when it was a busy pub was a lot more than if it was made residential, cannot see the logic in not allowing them exit onto the slip road

It would have had very little traffic at peak periods compared to a large residential development - virtually none in the morning peak, a bit more in the evening for food and off-licence traffic.

unkel

That slip road has very little traffic on it as is any time of the day - it's just for people taking a left into one of the lanes (mostly residential) but mostly for the petrol station. Adding 40 housing units won't cause any problems on it

godtabh

Its now a case of correct design standards been applied. You'd never get the same there again

average_runner

godtabh wrote: »

If the lands were rezoned and you could get an access through Hermitage Garden you would probably get 28/30 houses on the site. Thats where you lobby your councilor.

No chance of access via slip road.

So now you want to push more traffic through another housing estate where kids play?

average_runner

unkel wrote: »

That slip road has very little traffic on it as is any time of the day - it's just for people taking a left into one of the lanes (mostly residential) but mostly for the petrol station. Adding 40 housing units won't cause any problems on it

The slip road backs up alot of the evenings.

unkel

The whole N4 backs up alot of the evenings west bound. The slip road is probably used by several people trying to avoid the main N4. Either way I can't see an extra 10 or 20 cars make any significant difference to that.

Thousands and thousands of approved units at Clonburris with no main national high capacity roads within miles and no suitable infrastructure at all is a completely different matter :mad:

L1011

The side of the slip road to turn right towards Lucan is at risk of backing up on the mainline a lot of the time, which is likely to be the main concern of TII

unkel

L1011 wrote: »

The side of the slip road to turn right towards Lucan is at risk of backing up on the mainline a lot of the time, which is likely to be the main concern of TII

Just give the right turn a longer green light, is the easy solution to that.

average_runner

unkel wrote: »

Just give the right turn a longer green light, is the easy solution to that.

Its not the light that's the problem, is the traffic going that way

godtabh

average_runner wrote: »

So now you want to push more traffic through another housing estate where kids play?

Yes

average_runner

godtabh wrote: »

Yes

And does it affect you?

Maybe that decision should be with the residents of that estate.