The elephant in the room thread.

delthedriver

kasper wrote: »

if the reg is si 607 it is 1986 if it is ?si 607 it would be 1982 or 1983

If it is an 86 car I guess it should have been an Xr3. Ie hatchback???

Redrocket

ZSI607

Type 17

Late '83 reg, so either an import or an elephant in the room

Gorgeous either way - I'm not a particular Ford fan, but I have a soft spot for a few models, including Mk2 Escort rally cars, especially with BDA engines (sublime sound)

carchaeologist

mb1725 wrote: »

How old is this (plate)?

Early 80s #SI registration.
Either an import here then or a car built from a new shell.
Not a dodgy reg!

type85

ZSI607 1976 escort white.

delthedriver

carchaeologist wrote: »

Early 80s #SI registration.
Either an import here then or a car built from a new shell.
Not a dodgy reg!

ASI 123 , BSI 345, CSi 456 ..........1983

SZG 123, TZG 345, UZG 456.........1984


SI 123...............1986

ZG 456 ..............1986

Capri

They seemed to introduce the 3 letters ASI / AZG etc., and when they ran out brought in SI / ZG to cover until the year letter 87 D etc came in.

kasper

this guy wants to sell a car and a spare car with an irish registeration to someone that can use their nut and figure how to use it http://cars.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/austin/5285685

and the only people that are ringing him are MUCK PILOTS my heart bleeds

delthedriver

kasper wrote: »

this guy wants to sell a car and a spare car with an irish registeration to someone that can use their nut and figure how to use it http://cars.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/austin/5285685

and the only people that are ringing him are MUCK PILOTS my heart bleeds

Surely the Ad. should be reported

Muck Pilots?

corktina

at least the VRT has been paid!

kasper

bloody elephants everywherehttp://cars.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/mk2-escort/5724204

- - FOR SALE old irish brown tax book for a mk2 escort, the year on the book is for 1976 first reg, its old irish reg UBI 516, suitable for someone building an escort or for a rallycar,will take 350 maybe less .....ono..

Price: € 350

corktina

maybe one day someone buying will Google UBI 516

delthedriver

kasper wrote: »

bloody elephants everywherehttp://cars.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/mk2-escort/5724204

- - FOR SALE old irish brown tax book for a mk2 escort, the year on the book is for 1976 first reg, its old irish reg UBI 516, suitable for someone building an escort or for a rallycar,will take 350 maybe less .....ono..

Price: € 350

Amazing!!!!!!!!!!!

kasper

corktina wrote: »

maybe one day someone buying will Google UBI 516

could be appearing at a show near you soon

corktina

good place to hide it, safety in numbers

carchaeologist

Lol @ the Wiki explanation...

"Elephant in the room" is an English Metaphorical idiom for an obvious truth that is either being ignored or going unaddressed. The idiomatic expression also applies to an obvious problem or risk no one wants to discuss.
It is based on the idea that an Elephant in a room would be impossible to overlook; thus, people in the room who pretend the elephant is not there have chosen to avoid dealing with the looming big issue.

rugbyman

is there any of us who dwell (reside ,not think)on this thread, who when starting the restoration of their uncles A40.Cortina, Dolomite. Hunter etc, faced with many ,many hours of welding to turn that semi rotten shell into a usable one, might not think.....

in the next parish there is a bloody good shell needing minimal repair.... why dont i use that one instead of repaing my own... I will transfer all the bits and hey presto Uncle Jims car lives....

yes I know that one should use the reg number of the "new" shell.... then its not Jims.....I can cut virtually al the bits off the "new " one. (in Ireland I think 98 or 99%, weld them into Jims one ( i.e weld Jims chassis numbers into the "new" one ) Seriously though ,I believe this is possible/legal. In The UK there is a proceedure /system to adjudiciate on these matters.

Assuming ,as I do, that most would do this,i.e swap the body. then a change of identity might not be a Mortal sin.

Further along the line we come to the ,go to the Uk, buy a car like Uncle Jims , switch plates, and Hey Presto.......

I torture myself on this subject, its a grey area... the case of A Triumph Herald has been told often enough ,and of course Triggers Shovel.


swapping a plate to increase the value or interest factor of a car is of course Wrong

MercMad

mb1725 wrote: »

How old is this (plate)?

............there were actually quite a few MK2 Escort shells in this Country kept as spares. There was a long rigmarole you had to go through to get it organised but there are a few out there, so this one could be legitimate in that it's chassis was only completed in '83/86 and registered as new then.

Check out 88LK1000 which IS genuine

carchaeologist

MercMad wrote: »

Check out 88LK1000 which IS genuine

Was if I remember rightly...
Didn't it get smashed up?

oceanman

kasper wrote: »

bloody elephants everywherehttp://cars.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/mk2-escort/5724204

- - FOR SALE old irish brown tax book for a mk2 escort, the year on the book is for 1976 first reg, its old irish reg UBI 516, suitable for someone building an escort or for a rallycar,will take 350 maybe less .....ono..

Price: € 350

jeeze if he gets 350 for that im glad I held onto my drawer full of old brown books!:)

corktina

rugbyman wrote: »

is there any of us who dwell (reside ,not think)on this thread, who when starting the restoration of their uncles A40.Cortina, Dolomite. Hunter etc, faced with many ,many hours of welding to turn that semi rotten shell into a usable one, might not think.....

in the next parish there is a bloody good shell needing minimal repair.... why dont i use that one instead of repaing my own... I will transfer all the bits and hey presto Uncle Jims car lives....

yes I know that one should use the reg number of the "new" shell.... then its not Jims.....I can cut virtually al the bits off the "new " one. (in Ireland I think 98 or 99%, weld them into Jims one ( i.e weld Jims chassis numbers into the "new" one ) Seriously though ,I believe this is possible/legal. In The UK there is a proceedure /system to adjudiciate on these matters.

Assuming ,as I do, that most would do this,i.e swap the body. then a change of identity might not be a Mortal sin.

Further along the line we come to the ,go to the Uk, buy a car like Uncle Jims , switch plates, and Hey Presto.......

I torture myself on this subject, its a grey area... the case of A Triumph Herald has been told often enough ,and of course Triggers Shovel.


swapping a plate to increase the value or interest factor of a car is of course Wrong

It's not a grey area, it's illegal. It's illegal because where do you draw the line? There's enough ringing going on without the honest part of the community doing it too

carchaeologist

corktina wrote: »

It's not a grey area, it's illegal. It's illegal because where do you draw the line? There's enough ringing going on without the honest part of the community doing it too

Sadly, It's becoming more and more accepted as the years go by.
Many dont even bother to hide it anymore.
One guy told me once that all his windows got broken, that's why they all had etchings with UK numbers in them.

But, and I stress this point emphatically.
The series of rubbish import registrations we have to chose from now is not helping the situation one bit.

We need a shake up on this bigtime.
The IVVCCC harp on about how they lobbied for the original ZVs, how about some cohesion from clubs to improve our lot nowadays.
Now all our cars are listed off the road there should be a national database of how many vehicles are in existence now also.

Basil Fawlty

corktina wrote: »

It's not a grey area, it's illegal. It's illegal because where do you draw the line? There's enough ringing going on without the honest part of the community doing it too

Out of curiosity can you find the act that states it is?

macplaxton

Section 139 of the Finance Act 1992.

kasper

MercMad wrote: »

............there were actually quite a few MK2 Escort shells in this Country kept as spares. There was a long rigmarole you had to go through to get it organised but there are a few out there, so this one could be legitimate in that it's chassis was only completed in '83/86 and registered as new then.

Check out 88LK1000 which IS genuine

ophir motors dondrod near nutts corner had a good few brand new mark 2 escort shells in the late eighties

Sam Russell

Basil Fawlty wrote: »

Out of curiosity can you find the act that states it is?

If you think it is OK, then tell your insurance company that the car you have has a false identity and is a clone of another scrapped car and this one is a later UK import of a simillar car - sort of, and that it is all OK because you told the revenue about it as well and they said it was fine. And no, they would not give you that in writing.

Mmmmm .... see what we mean? If it is all nudge, nudge, wink, wink, whatever you say, say nothing - then it is not right. Just like washed diesel, or smuggled sheep.

Capri

Happening in the US too with this 'Merkur XR4Ti' which looks SO MUCH like a Sierra Cosworth :rolleyes: - they have a 25year rule over there

http://bringatrailer.com/2013/09/21/near-cossie-twin-cam-swapped-1986-merkur-xr4ti/

hi5

Indeed, the Merker had the xr4i body with the extra window, but maybe they cut the c pillar out?

Capri

hi5 wrote: »

Indeed, the Merker had the xr4i body with the extra window, but maybe they cut the c pillar out?

The discussion is ongoing over there - it IS a ringer because I'll bet unless nearly every panel /glass* was changed that it's a pure Cossie - surprised the great 'Feds' havn't sussed it yet - no interest ? ( Like our Revenue ? )

*Front wings have Euro repeater lights
Rear wing has flip-filler v's Euro screw cap filler
Rear panel for NA had raised no.plate lights, and 'License plate holder'
All the glass would have EU mark v's DOT for NA
.......:cool: :rolleyes:

Basil Fawlty

Sam Russell wrote: »

If you think it is OK, then tell your insurance company that the car you have has a false identity and is a clone of another scrapped car and this one is a later UK import of a simillar car - sort of, and that it is all OK because you told the revenue about it as well and they said it was fine. And no, they would not give you that in writing.

Mmmmm .... see what we mean? If it is all nudge, nudge, wink, wink, whatever you say, say nothing - then it is not right. Just like washed diesel, or smuggled sheep.

Who the hell do you think you are? I asked about the legislation and you decide to accuse me of placing false identity's on cars?