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Pakistani girl doused in acid for looking at boys

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    #122
    irishconvert
    Registered Users Posts: 1,866 ✭✭✭irishconvert


    It's very lazy to blame this terrible act on Islam (or religion in general) just because the animals who committed this act are Muslim (I assume). It's like blaming every drunken fight where some poor guy gets his head kicked in on the religion of the attacker. There is NOTHING in Islamic teaching that approves of this kind of attack. In fact it is totally against what Muslims believe.


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    #123
    CruelCoin
    Registered Users Posts: 4,468 ✭✭✭CruelCoin


    irishconvert wrote: »
    It's very lazy to blame this terrible act on Islam (or religion in general) just because the animals who committed this act are Muslim (I assume). It's like blaming every drunken fight where some poor guy gets his head kicked in on the religion of the attacker. There is NOTHING in Islamic teaching that approves of this kind of attack. In fact it is totally against what Muslims believe.

    It is against the teachings of the Koran yes. But the problem with that book is its vagueness, which makes it ideal of the Imans to manipulate.

    Islam as it stands now is the faith preached by the Imans, not the Koran.

    So actually, Islam does support this.

    Equally The pope/celibacy in Catholicism is part of the Catholic faith but not part of the bible etc.


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    #124
    irishconvert
    Registered Users Posts: 1,866 ✭✭✭irishconvert


    CruelCoin wrote: »
    It is against the teachings of the Koran yes. But the problem with that book is its vagueness, which makes it ideal of the Imans to manipulate.

    Islam as it stands now is the faith preached by the Imans, not the Koran.

    So actually, Islam does support this.

    Equally The pope/celibacy in Catholicism is part of the Catholic faith but not part of the bible etc.

    So because the Qur'an doesn't specifically say "thou shall not pour acid all over your daughters face" you deduce the Qur'an does support it??? My local golf club doesn't have a rule which says "beating other golfers over the head with a golf club is forbidden". Does that mean it is allowed? You are talking total nonsense.


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    #125
    bbam
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    CruelCoin wrote: »
    It is against the teachings of the Koran yes. But the problem with that book is its vagueness, which makes it ideal of the Imans to manipulate.

    Islam as it stands now is the faith preached by the Imans, not the Koran.

    So actually, Islam does support this.

    Equally The pope/celibacy in Catholicism is part of the Catholic faith but not part of the bible etc.

    There have always been people who will hide behind their religeon as to why they did terrible things... I think above all nations we shouldn't be throwing mud on this one... people who kill on behalf of their religeon or because of the victims religeon are plane simple murderers.


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    #126
    neil_hosey
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    id love to know how they always seem to have acid in ready supply when these problems occur...


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    #127
    allibastor
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    ah the joy or honour and religion world over. its the same in every country, in one sentence they scream about religiona nd honour and all that rubbish, then the other hand do this. both in ireland and other places. I am sure thier god will be very happy with them.

    ah and people wonder why i dont do church.


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    #128
    CruelCoin
    Registered Users Posts: 4,468 ✭✭✭CruelCoin


    irishconvert wrote: »
    So because the Qur'an doesn't specifically say "thou shall not pour acid all over your daughters face" you deduce the Qur'an does support it??? My local golf club doesn't have a rule which says "beating other golfers over the head with a golf club is forbidden". Does that mean it is allowed? You are talking total nonsense.

    No, re-read my post. I said Islam supports it as preached by the Imans. I never said the Koran does. Book =/! practised faith.


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    #129
    irishconvert
    Registered Users Posts: 1,866 ✭✭✭irishconvert


    CruelCoin wrote: »
    No, re-read my post. I said Islam supports it as preached by the Imans. I never said the Koran does. Book =/! practised faith.

    "Islam supports it". What is that supposed to mean? Where does God say it is ok to pour acid on a girl's face for looking at boys??!! You are saying because some renegade Imam might have said this is ok (BTW what imam said this, do you have a link?) it means Islam supports it? Remember when some Catholic priest ordained Sinead O'Connor? What you are saying is like saying the Cathlic Church supports women priests because one priest ordained a woman.


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    #130
    get_even
    Site Banned Posts: 25 ✭get_even


    its a bit silly to dismiss the notion that their is any connection between islam and the acts which are carried out in the name of islam , its all very well being tollerant and pc but a clear and established pattern exists between a particular major religon and medieval reactions to things like marrying outside the family or holding hands with a boy your not married to , i think it helps little to refuse to admit that thier is a significant percentage of muslims who,s attitudes are completley out of whack with western society

    at the end of the day , religon is man made and a choice , a person cannot help what colour they are but no one is forced to believe that women should walk three steps behind a man etc


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    #131
    CruelCoin
    Registered Users Posts: 4,468 ✭✭✭CruelCoin


    irishconvert wrote: »
    "Islam supports it". What is that supposed to mean? Where does God say it is ok to pour acid on a girl's face for looking at boys??!! You are saying because some renegade Imam might have said this is ok (BTW what imam said this, do you have a link?) it means Islam supports it? Remember when some Catholic priest ordained Sinead O'Connor? What you are saying is like saying the Cathlic Church supports women priests because one priest ordained a woman.

    Ordaining sinead o connor was a once off event. Acid attacks are not. These are daily events.
    My saying the faith as preached supports attacks like this is not me supporting it. Learn the difference.

    The Imans preach what they belive the Koran to be teaching, and the populace listen. So, is Islam the Islam as taught in their book, or is it the day-to-day Islam as preached/practised by the Imans?
    I fear it is the latter. Islam as lived bears little resemblance to Islam in the Koran, just as christianity is very different from that in the bible and judaism as that in the torah.

    No, i'm not going to go trawling the net for links.


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    #132
    Capt'n Midnight
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    neil_hosey wrote: »
    id love to know how they always seem to have acid in ready supply when these problems occur...
    I've seen 30% HCl being sold as muriatic acid,for cleaning purposes in supermarkets in the EU.

    I'd be sure you can pickup sulphuric acid in many farmers coops

    If acid wasn't available it would have been bleach / toilet cleaner or a physical assault with a weapon or a beating.

    Access to acid isn't the base of the problem.

    You have to remember that in Ireland and the UK to a lesser extent many substances that could be used for terrorism are banned in addition to health and safety restrictions. You can't get stuff like .88 ammonia or non-safety matches anymore.



    Does anyone know what level of education the mother received ?


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