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Pakistani girl doused in acid for looking at boys

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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 93,126 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    mauzo wrote: »
    Her own mother and father?? The 2 people in this world you should ALWAYS be able to count on for love and acceptance.

    This is just vile. They should get the same fate.
    Even here sad to say, if a female is killed it's most likely to be a male relative or close male acquaintance.

    There seems to be a much higher frequency of these "animals" in Islam compared to other religions, at least admit that much.
    This has nothing to do with religion. That's like blaming the Church of England for the behaviour of Baptists in the US. Or blaming Spanish Catholics for the IRA. It's about power over others.




    pabloh999 wrote: »
    These places hold the rest of humanity back
    These people hold humanity back but not everyone in the place is like this. There are only a few places left with polio, the spreading of FUD is just as effective there as it is in US.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,468 ✭✭✭CruelCoin


    Gbear wrote: »
    What's a bit puzzling to me - why so many acid attacks?

    Where are they getting all the acid from?

    Maybe there's a market in some Muslim countries for acid? WomenOppressionMart?

    Whats puzzling to me is how the article says they just went home and doused her, as if the acid was just lying there.

    "Oh dear, she's looking at boys again, time to break out that handy bottle of sinbuster extreme"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    To play devil's advocate here for a brief moment, I'd just like to point out that up until 1996, girls in Ireland were thrown into slave labour camps for "crimes" sometimes as ridiculous as being "too flirtatious".

    It is for this reason that I find the references to Middle Eastern countries with twisted values about sexuality as "backwards" to be depressingly ironic.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    sure the catholic church put girls in laundries and tortured them for being good looking, happened right here in this country

    The church, but also the parents, or at least in many cases with the co-operation thereof. :(


  • Registered Users Posts: 34 StankyStevie


    that pic on the BBC website looks like any street in East London.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,766 ✭✭✭juan.kerr


    Barbaric, but not surprising.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    juan.kerr wrote: »
    Barbaric, but not surprising.


    Do please expound on that cryptic gem...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,403 ✭✭✭daisybelle2008


    To play devil's advocate here for a brief moment, I'd just like to point out that up until 1996, girls in Ireland were thrown into slave labour camps for "crimes" sometimes as ridiculous as being "too flirtatious".

    It is for this reason that I find the references to Middle Eastern countries with twisted values about sexuality as "backwards" to be depressingly ironic.

    And still calls women 'sluts' or 'easy' for having sex when they want. In another thread here in AH, we were told that slut shaming is biologically necessary for paternity reasons :rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,327 ✭✭✭Madam_X


    To play devil's advocate here for a brief moment, I'd just like to point out that up until 1996, girls in Ireland were thrown into slave labour camps for "crimes" sometimes as ridiculous as being "too flirtatious".

    It is for this reason that I find the references to Middle Eastern countries with twisted values about sexuality as "backwards" to be depressingly ironic.
    "Depressingly" ironic - why? We weren't alive then, let alone advocates of that hideous system. Can both systems not be criticised for what they are, or is it unreasonable of us to criticise the fanaticism that led to what happened to this girl simply because most of us are Irish and similar atrocities took place on the landmass we happened to be born on?
    Today, Ireland is a much better place in which to live than Pakistan, it's that simple. Even decades ago it was, overall.
    The system discontinued well before 1996 btw, it's just that the institutions remained open and some women (knowing no better) elected to stay there. The parents often did not have a choice either - poor, uneducated people had feck all power in that regard; but certainly some were willing to have their daughters taken away - it's likely they didn't always know what lay in store for them though. Remember, the church could do no wrong (people couldn't help it if that's how they'd been programmed to think) and their daughters were being "saved".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,403 ✭✭✭daisybelle2008


    Madam_X wrote: »
    "Depressingly" ironic - why? We weren't alive then, let alone advocates of that hideous system. Can both systems not be criticised for what they are, or is it unreasonable of us to criticise the fanaticism that led to what happened to this girl simply because most of us are Irish and similar atrocities took place on the landmass we happened to be born on?
    Today, Ireland is a much better place in which to live than Pakistan, it's that simple. Even decades ago it was, overall.
    The system discontinued well before 1996 btw, it's just that the institutions remained open and some women (knowing no better) elected to stay there. The parents often did not have a choice either - poor, uneducated people had feck all power in that regard; but certainly some were willing to have their daughters taken away - it's likely they didn't always know what lay in store for them though. Remember, the church could do no wrong (people couldn't help it if that's how they'd been programmed to think) and their daughters were being "saved".

    The lack of irony with which some guys say they wouldn't 'respect' a girl who slept with them too soon. There is a hypocrisy that still exists today in Ireland that judges a woman on her sexuality. Throw some punishment into the mix and you are along the road to the OP story.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,327 ✭✭✭Madam_X


    That attitude is widely condemned - just because it exists here doesn't mean it's ironic to criticise the far more severe horrors in Pakistan. It's not endorsed by government either. Ireland today as a comparison with Pakistan is a highly dubious one. Ireland up to 40 years ago is a lot closer but that's hardly our generation's fault.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,556 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    The danger of HF isn't how corrosive it is, it's how toxic it is. It can kill you without doing all that much damage to the skin it contacts. Dangerous stuff, but I doubt it's what gets used in an acid attack.

    Some people are just afraid of change. They'll use anything to keep everyone in line. It takes a lot of doublethink to work it all into any kind of coherent doctrine and still claim to be peaceful and compassionate.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    Madam X, I wasn't describing condemnation of this individual atrocity as "ironic", I was describing any comments which tar Islam itself, Pakistan itself, or the Middle East itself as "backwards" due to incidents like these as heavily ironic. As countries go, Ireland has been guilty until exceptionally recently of similar atrocities, therefore to make a statement such as "Doesn't surprise me, Middle East / Arab countries / Islamic countries are stuck in the middle ages" is indeed depressingly ironic. And such comments crop up almost every single time an incident like this is posted on Boards, or indeed anywhere else.

    It just amazes me that some people find it so easy to dismiss entire nations and cultures with contempt, when our very own culture has only recently begun to deal with its own "backwards" issues.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,766 ✭✭✭juan.kerr


    Nodin wrote: »
    Do please expound on that cryptic gem...

    Not so cryptic, Noddy. I'll give you three guesses all the same.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    juan.kerr wrote: »
    Not so cryptic, Noddy. I'll give you three guesses all the same.

    I'm not interested in a guessing game. Now do please explain....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,625 ✭✭✭flyswatter


    Nodin wrote: »

    I'm not interested in a guessing game. Now do please explain....
    I would have thought these type of news items are almost par for the course at this stage no? This doesn't surprise me.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,766 ✭✭✭juan.kerr


    Nodin wrote: »
    I'm not interested in a guessing game. Now do please explain....

    Try doing a web search for 'pakistan barbaric'. It might give you a few clues. Then please stop trolling and acting stupid.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,766 ✭✭✭juan.kerr


    flyswatter wrote: »
    I would have thought these type of news items are almost par for the course at this stage no? This doesn't surprise me.

    I would imagine he is being intentionally obtuse. Either that or he has never heard of Pakistan before.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    juan.kerr wrote: »
    Try doing a web search for 'pakistan barbaric'. It might give you a few clues. Then please stop trolling and acting stupid.

    So everyone in Pakistan is barbaric or what? Come along now....


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,766 ✭✭✭juan.kerr


    Nodin wrote: »
    So everyone in Pakistan is barbaric or what? Come along now....

    Did I say that? No, I didn't. But as I said in my original post, stories like this from Pakistan do not surprise me because it isn't the first time something similar has happened.

    If this is still too 'cryptic' then there's no hope for you, I'm afraid.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,866 ✭✭✭irishconvert


    It's very lazy to blame this terrible act on Islam (or religion in general) just because the animals who committed this act are Muslim (I assume). It's like blaming every drunken fight where some poor guy gets his head kicked in on the religion of the attacker. There is NOTHING in Islamic teaching that approves of this kind of attack. In fact it is totally against what Muslims believe.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,468 ✭✭✭CruelCoin


    It's very lazy to blame this terrible act on Islam (or religion in general) just because the animals who committed this act are Muslim (I assume). It's like blaming every drunken fight where some poor guy gets his head kicked in on the religion of the attacker. There is NOTHING in Islamic teaching that approves of this kind of attack. In fact it is totally against what Muslims believe.

    It is against the teachings of the Koran yes. But the problem with that book is its vagueness, which makes it ideal of the Imans to manipulate.

    Islam as it stands now is the faith preached by the Imans, not the Koran.

    So actually, Islam does support this.

    Equally The pope/celibacy in Catholicism is part of the Catholic faith but not part of the bible etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,866 ✭✭✭irishconvert


    CruelCoin wrote: »
    It is against the teachings of the Koran yes. But the problem with that book is its vagueness, which makes it ideal of the Imans to manipulate.

    Islam as it stands now is the faith preached by the Imans, not the Koran.

    So actually, Islam does support this.

    Equally The pope/celibacy in Catholicism is part of the Catholic faith but not part of the bible etc.

    So because the Qur'an doesn't specifically say "thou shall not pour acid all over your daughters face" you deduce the Qur'an does support it??? My local golf club doesn't have a rule which says "beating other golfers over the head with a golf club is forbidden". Does that mean it is allowed? You are talking total nonsense.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,410 ✭✭✭bbam


    CruelCoin wrote: »
    It is against the teachings of the Koran yes. But the problem with that book is its vagueness, which makes it ideal of the Imans to manipulate.

    Islam as it stands now is the faith preached by the Imans, not the Koran.

    So actually, Islam does support this.

    Equally The pope/celibacy in Catholicism is part of the Catholic faith but not part of the bible etc.

    There have always been people who will hide behind their religeon as to why they did terrible things... I think above all nations we shouldn't be throwing mud on this one... people who kill on behalf of their religeon or because of the victims religeon are plane simple murderers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,712 ✭✭✭neil_hosey


    id love to know how they always seem to have acid in ready supply when these problems occur...


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,520 ✭✭✭allibastor


    ah the joy or honour and religion world over. its the same in every country, in one sentence they scream about religiona nd honour and all that rubbish, then the other hand do this. both in ireland and other places. I am sure thier god will be very happy with them.

    ah and people wonder why i dont do church.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,468 ✭✭✭CruelCoin


    So because the Qur'an doesn't specifically say "thou shall not pour acid all over your daughters face" you deduce the Qur'an does support it??? My local golf club doesn't have a rule which says "beating other golfers over the head with a golf club is forbidden". Does that mean it is allowed? You are talking total nonsense.

    No, re-read my post. I said Islam supports it as preached by the Imans. I never said the Koran does. Book =/! practised faith.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,866 ✭✭✭irishconvert


    CruelCoin wrote: »
    No, re-read my post. I said Islam supports it as preached by the Imans. I never said the Koran does. Book =/! practised faith.

    "Islam supports it". What is that supposed to mean? Where does God say it is ok to pour acid on a girl's face for looking at boys??!! You are saying because some renegade Imam might have said this is ok (BTW what imam said this, do you have a link?) it means Islam supports it? Remember when some Catholic priest ordained Sinead O'Connor? What you are saying is like saying the Cathlic Church supports women priests because one priest ordained a woman.


  • Site Banned Posts: 25 get_even


    its a bit silly to dismiss the notion that their is any connection between islam and the acts which are carried out in the name of islam , its all very well being tollerant and pc but a clear and established pattern exists between a particular major religon and medieval reactions to things like marrying outside the family or holding hands with a boy your not married to , i think it helps little to refuse to admit that thier is a significant percentage of muslims who,s attitudes are completley out of whack with western society

    at the end of the day , religon is man made and a choice , a person cannot help what colour they are but no one is forced to believe that women should walk three steps behind a man etc


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,468 ✭✭✭CruelCoin


    "Islam supports it". What is that supposed to mean? Where does God say it is ok to pour acid on a girl's face for looking at boys??!! You are saying because some renegade Imam might have said this is ok (BTW what imam said this, do you have a link?) it means Islam supports it? Remember when some Catholic priest ordained Sinead O'Connor? What you are saying is like saying the Cathlic Church supports women priests because one priest ordained a woman.

    Ordaining sinead o connor was a once off event. Acid attacks are not. These are daily events.
    My saying the faith as preached supports attacks like this is not me supporting it. Learn the difference.

    The Imans preach what they belive the Koran to be teaching, and the populace listen. So, is Islam the Islam as taught in their book, or is it the day-to-day Islam as preached/practised by the Imans?
    I fear it is the latter. Islam as lived bears little resemblance to Islam in the Koran, just as christianity is very different from that in the bible and judaism as that in the torah.

    No, i'm not going to go trawling the net for links.


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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 93,126 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    neil_hosey wrote: »
    id love to know how they always seem to have acid in ready supply when these problems occur...
    I've seen 30% HCl being sold as muriatic acid,for cleaning purposes in supermarkets in the EU.

    I'd be sure you can pickup sulphuric acid in many farmers coops

    If acid wasn't available it would have been bleach / toilet cleaner or a physical assault with a weapon or a beating.

    Access to acid isn't the base of the problem.

    You have to remember that in Ireland and the UK to a lesser extent many substances that could be used for terrorism are banned in addition to health and safety restrictions. You can't get stuff like .88 ammonia or non-safety matches anymore.



    Does anyone know what level of education the mother received ?


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