Nexus 4 ordering process

Atomic Pineapple

maggy_thatcher wrote: »

Don't blame the country, blame the company who refuses to sell it. We're cheap labour for them (or a tax haven), but aren't worth selling to.

Why would they sell a product at a loss to a market where they currently can't make that loss back from their marketplaces? I blame the country for it's ridiculousness red tape when it comes to digital media, look at the poor offerings of Netflix here as another example.

maggy_thatcher

draffodx wrote: »

Why would they sell a product at a loss to a market where they currently can't make that loss back from their marketplaces? I blame the country for it's ridiculousness red tape when it comes to digital media, look at the poor offerings of Netflix here as another example.

There is no way the Nexus4 is sold at a loss. It's cheap because it has (relatively) small storage, and didn't bother with most of the LTE hardware.

Netflix-IE is (almost) exactly the same as Netflix-UK, and they can sell the Nexus-4 there. Apple have a decent back-catalogue in iTunes; Eircom has it's own media store; Spotify seem to manage, etc. If it was that difficult, how would they all exist?

Google refuses to sell their product to Irish customers. The choice was available to them, but given they seem to be having supply issues to the few countries that they do sell the product to, I can understand why they ignore the "smaller" markets. However, until such time as they decide to acknowledge the Irish market, I'm not going to jump through a million hoops to buy their products, and will just stick with what I've got. My year old Galaxy-Nexus will be more than enough.

Atomic Pineapple

maggy_thatcher wrote: »

There is no way the Nexus4 is sold at a loss. It's cheap because it has (relatively) small storage, and didn't bother with most of the LTE hardware.

Netflix-IE is (almost) exactly the same as Netflix-UK, and they can sell the Nexus-4 there. Apple have a decent back-catalogue in iTunes; Eircom has it's own media store; Spotify seem to manage, etc. If it was that difficult, how would they all exist?

Google refuses to sell their product to Irish customers. The choice was available to them, but given they seem to be having supply issues to the few countries that they do sell the product to, I can understand why they ignore the "smaller" markets. However, until such time as they decide to acknowledge the Irish market, I'm not going to jump through a million hoops to buy their products, and will just stick with what I've got. My year old Galaxy-Nexus will be more than enough.

How long did it take Spotify/Netflix to get here? I never said it was impossible, just difficult and a market that would be way down my list of priorities if I was Google.

maggy_thatcher

draffodx wrote: »

How long did it take Spotify/Netflix to get here? I never said it was impossible, just difficult and a market that would be way down my list of priorities if I was Google.

Netflix arrived here at exactly the same time as it arrived in the UK. Spotify was substantially delayed (it arrived here the same time as it arrived in Luxembourg).

I agree that here is way down in the priority list for Google, but the blame for not selling it here is exclusively in Google's doorstep, not the Irish government. The approach for getting a licence must be straightforward enough for all these other companies to be able to do it. They can just follow the same procedure as all the other providers have managed.

wayne040576

maggy_thatcher wrote: »

There is no way the Nexus4 is sold at a loss. It's cheap because it has (relatively) small storage, and didn't bother with most of the LTE hardware.

Netflix-IE is (almost) exactly the same as Netflix-UK, and they can sell the Nexus-4 there. Apple have a decent back-catalogue in iTunes; Eircom has it's own media store; Spotify seem to manage, etc. If it was that difficult, how would they all exist?

Google refuses to sell their product to Irish customers. The choice was available to them, but given they seem to be having supply issues to the few countries that they do sell the product to, I can understand why they ignore the "smaller" markets. However, until such time as they decide to acknowledge the Irish market, I'm not going to jump through a million hoops to buy their products, and will just stick with what I've got. My year old Galaxy-Nexus will be more than enough.

You honestly think storage affects the building price of these devices? Flash storage is fairly cheap these days.
The real price for this device is 599 euro without the Google discount. It's far from cheap, due to the rest of the tech in there.
Google haven't bother to work out the digital rights because at the end of the day why should they bother with all of the hassle & red tape that comes with working out these rights for such a small number of potential customers.
Spotify only started their service here a couple of weeks ago !

Nolimits

draffodx wrote: »

How long did it take Spotify/Netflix to get here? I never said it was impossible, just difficult and a market that would be way down my list of priorities if I was Google.

Was just going to make this point, itunes store launched in 2003 we got it in Ireland in 2005, after the likes of the UK, Germany etc

Spotify got to the UK in 2009 but only got over here in 2012

Netflix began offering video on demand in 2007 though with them we at least got it the same time as the UK

Google music started in 2011, it reached UK in 2012, if it follows earlier trends we will get it next year some time at the earliest. And when Apple got it in here quickly their entire future business model depended on having itunes store available to as many people as possible and would have been a huge priority for them, much more so than Google. And devices only launched in America this year, though one would assume that devices will come with music.

youcancallmeal

maggy_thatcher wrote: »

Google refuses to sell their product to Irish customers. The choice was available to them, but given they seem to be having supply issues to the few countries that they do sell the product to, I can understand why they ignore the "smaller" markets. However, until such time as they decide to acknowledge the Irish market, I'm not going to jump through a million hoops to buy their products, and will just stick with what I've got. My year old Galaxy-Nexus will be more than enough.

Your right to be angry and Google could easily avoid all this grief if they just explained why *insert your country* doesn't have a Play hardware store available? Its funny too because they have their European headquarters in Dublin and customers who are buying hardware from the UK play store are getting emails saying "Dispatched from Barrow Street, Dublin". I wouldn't be so sure that's true though because their office on Barrow St. isn't a distribution center. They probably have warehouses in the UK?

maggy_thatcher

Nolimits wrote: »

Was just going to make this point, itunes store launched in 2003 we got it in Ireland in 2005, after the likes of the UK, Germany etc

Spotify got to the UK in 2009 but only got over here in 2012

Netflix began offering video on demand in 2007 though with them we at least got it the same time as the UK

Google music started in 2011, it reached UK in 2012, if it follows earlier trends we will get it next year some time at the earliest. And when Apple got it in here quickly their entire future business model depended on having itunes store available to as many people as possible and would have been a huge priority for them, much more so than Google. And devices only launched in America this year, though one would assume that devices will come with music.

Oh - I fully agree. All I'm saying is that the reason for not selling it here has nothing to with the Irish government, it's entirely due to decisions made by Google. I don't blame Google for treating us as second class citizens; we really aren't worth the bother for them, but the only people who we can complain to are them.

We're a cheap labour market, and a good way of dodging tax; but in terms of being an actual market worth selling to - we're way down the list.

Apple are similar - their EU HQ is in Cork, but the only Apple stores on the island are north of the border.

Similarly, there's no Amazon.ie (well there is, but it just redirects you to Amazon.co.uk), even though they've a large presence in Blanchardstown.

maggy_thatcher

youcancallmeal wrote: »

Your right to be angry and Google could easily avoid all this grief if they just explained why *insert your country* doesn't have a Play hardware store available?

I'm not angry. Disappointed? Yes. Surprised? No. We're always at the bottom of the list for companies like Google. It was the same when the Play-Store for apps came out. Paid apps took a very long time to be released here, as we weren't worthy.

TheDoc

maggy_thatcher wrote: »

Don't blame the country, blame the company who refuses to sell it. We're cheap labour for them (or a tax haven), but aren't worth selling to.

It has everything to do with the country,

Heres from a friend who is in this sort of business

For something popular like this the vendor just won't prioritise anything other than the biggest markets. Its a problem compounded by the fact that it's probably cross subsidised by media sales from the Play store. And again,being a small country the payoff for setting up the licensing deals just isn't there. The solution is to push for pan-european licensing of all content. The rule should be available in on EU state, then available in all.

joshhbk

LTE was not included because of carrier disputes, nothing to do with cost cutting. Storage is also not really anything to do with it either. 8GB iPhone 4 is still sold by Apple for €399. 16GB Nexus is €349...

maggy_thatcher

TheDoc wrote: »

It has everything to do with the country,

Heres from a friend who is in this sort of business

The licencing of content is up to the content-providers, not the country. If Universal or Sony or whoever wanted to provide a country-specific licence or EU-wide licence, it's up to them to decide what they want to do.

There's no way the Irish government could come out and say "if you sell your product in the UK you must make the licence available to Irish people as well" - it's purely an internal matter between the content provider and the content distributor.

For something like that to be introduced would require introducing some law at the EU level that forces content-providers to provide pan-EU licencing. I can't see that happening any time soon, as it would mean old-fashioned distributors such as RTÉ would suddenly find their licencing costs sky-rocket (as they'd be negotiating for rights for transmission all over Europe, not just the little spot around here.). It's certainly not up to the local Irish government to control things like that.

Genghiz Cohen

joshhbk wrote: »

LTE was not included because of carrier disputes, nothing to do with cost cutting. Storage is also not really anything to do with it either. 8GB iPhone 4 is still sold by Apple for €399. 16GB Nexus is €349...

Not sure what you're getting at comparing the iPhone 4 to the Nexus 4.

joshhbk

Genghiz Cohen wrote: »

Not sure what you're getting at comparing the iPhone 4 to the Nexus 4.

It was claimed that the Nexus was so cheap not because Google was running at a very low or non-existant profit margin because (a) they didn't include LTE and (b) had skimped on storage to save money. I was making the point that LTE was left out in order to avoid hassle with carriers and storage is hardly that much of a difference maker when the 16GB version of the device is still cheaper than the 8GB iPhone 4, which is also a much less powerful device.

citytillidie

Those checking every hour for stock should also remember it will be a while.

There are people who got to order a phone when it was on sale that were put on a back log, google have to sort those people out 1st before putting it up for sale again

Nolimits

citytillidie wrote: »

Those checking every hour for stock should also remember it will be a while.

There are people who got to order a phone when it was on sale that were put on a back log, google have to sort those people out 1st before putting it up for sale again

Though for all we know a huge order could be about to come in, there's nothing to say the people waiting won't be getting the same batch as people who have yet to order.

Francie Barrett

Does anyone in Ireland actually have one of these?

Incompetent

Francie Barrett wrote: »

Does anyone in Ireland actually have one of these?

Someone a few pages back. And I've heard of a few who bought them abroad

pmsurveys

Incompetent wrote: »

Someone a few pages back. And I've heard of a few who bought them abroad

One for sale on adverts.ie €515 !!

citytillidie

Just got email saying phone will be shipped this week and will get a refund on shipping costs for the delay

Austin1

citytillidie wrote: »

Just got email saying phone will be shipped this week and will get a refund on shipping costs for the delay

Ditto!

lafors

citytillidie wrote: »

Just got email saying phone will be shipped this week and will get a refund on shipping costs for the delay

Austin1 wrote: »

Ditto!

Dittoditto
Great. Still think I should get the bumper free too.

TPD

Hopefully the restock comes soon! And it isn't a repeat of the first launch :P

Mr. Manager

Is there a work around for getting this phone? I live in Malta and it's not going on sale here. Is my only option to ask a friend in the UK to get it?

Francie Barrett

Will there be an announcement when more stock comes in, or will it just appear randomly?

Walnutsink

Francie Barrett wrote: »

Will there be an announcement when more stock comes in, or will it just appear randomly?

My guess is random, although there are a lot of rumours floating around that it'll be next week. I'm trying to ignore them but I can't help hoping!

Closov

Walnutsink wrote: »

My guess is random, although there are a lot of rumours floating around that it'll be next week. I'm trying to ignore them but I can't help hoping!

The big German shops like Saturn and medi-markt are listing them for restock in mid December.
Actually just re-checked and they're saying more than 4 weeks now, which means they don't really know.

Edit: another look and they say both >4 weeks and December 19th

http://www.saturn.de/mcs/product/LG-Nexus-4-16-GB,48352,365082,523287.html

bren32

Just got a mail from Google saying it will be back in stock in the US at 12:00 pst today.

MiCr0

I just got an email from Google play saying that the n4 16gb was back in stock today.
US store ONLY

darrenkenny

MiCr0 wrote: »

I just got an email from Google play saying that the n4 16gb was back in stock today.
US store ONLY

Did ye register to be notified via a US proxy? Just curious...