Off The Ball Official Thread <Mod Note - Post #1, #533, #6651>

Dots1982

Chalk McHugh wrote: »

Dont buy into the hype about him. Doesn't be involved in the play as much as a top midfielder should. Can go missing for large periods and usually does. A few fancy dribbles doesn't mask over his ineffectual overall play.

So he can only dribble? You don’t see him capable of passing, shooting, tackling, running without the ball, crossing ?

Where do you see the technical weakness in his game?

Dots1982

Dots1982 wrote: »

By main issue with the paper review was Snyed thinking Souness had a good point about Grealish taking too many touches with the ball.

Of course Grealish takes touches with the ball, he’s brilliant and the rest of the villa squad are ****e.

Souness is bang on the money about Grealish. I'm a Villa fan and see Grealish all the time. While he's brilliant, sometimes he plays for himself. Being brilliant for a team does not mean getting the ball and trying to beat players and make something happen all the time. Sometimes, he just needs to play a simple one-two, create a triangle or play the percentage ball. When he's out of the game he can drop too deep and lose the ball high up the pitch.

He has superstar syndrome and thinks he needs to drag the team along with his brilliance all the time. He's a fine player, but needs to move to a team in which he is not the star to learn how to play for a team and not just for himself.

Dots1982

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Souness is bang on the money about Grealish. I'm a Villa fan and see Grealish all the time. While he's brilliant, sometimes he plays for himself. Being brilliant for a team does not mean getting the ball and trying to beat players and make something happen all the time. Sometimes, he just needs to play a simple one-two, create a triangle or play the percentage ball. When he's out of the game he can drop too deep and lose the ball high up the pitch.

He has superstar syndrome and thinks he needs to drag the team along with his brilliance all the time. He's a fine player, but needs to move to a team in which he is not the star to learn how to play for a team and not just for himself.

So where is weakness technically? Or he has none? It’s just in his temperament?

Dots1982

Dots1982 wrote: »

So where is weakness technically? Or he has none? It’s just in his temperament?

He's technically brilliant, that's plain to see. But there are lots of technically gifted players out there. What separates the technically gifted from the brilliant is all the other equally important aspects of the game - mentality, football acumen, decision making, attitude, courage etc etc. Grealish has lots to learn as he has been the star of a poor team for so long.

Dots1982

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He's technically brilliant, that's plain to see. But there are lots of technically gifted players out there. What separates the technically gifted from the brilliant is all the other equally important aspects of the game - mentality, football acumen, decision making, attitude, courage etc etc. Grealish has lots to learn as he has been the star of a poor team for so long.

If you’re technically brilliant the rest can be worked on. There are very few players that have a widespread of the gifts Grealish possesses.

He has a poor coach and a poor mercenary based team around him that is missing it’s other brilliant player in McGinn. Only a fool couldn’t see there is serious serious potential for him not to become a huge player in football, despite his questionable temperament.

Chalk McHugh

Im a Liverpool fan and i dont want Grealish at the club.

Dots1982

Dots1982 wrote: »

If you’re technically brilliant the rest can be worked on. There are very few players that have a widespread of the gifts Grealish possesses.

He has a poor coach and a poor mercenary based team around him that is missing it’s other brilliant player in McGinn. Only a fool couldn’t see there is serious serious potential for him not to become a huge player in football, despite his questionable temperament.

He's 24. Time to start moving the conversation beyond potential. If he's to become a huge player in world football he better get a wriggle on. I think it's no coincidence, for example, that he hasn't been capped by England yet.

But a move to a big club would tell us a lot about all the other aspects of his game, and his ability to slot into a team rather than be the focal point of one.

Dots1982

Chalk McHugh wrote: »

Im a Liverpool fan and i dont want Grealish at the club.

Grand, after next season you might not want him at United either.

Dots1982

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He's 24. Time to start moving the conversation beyond potential.

I was talking about potential to become a huge player in football. 24 isn’t that old.

Dots1982

Dots1982 wrote: »

I was talking about potential to become a huge player in football. 24 isn’t that old.

The chances of him doing that at this stage are not very good but let's see how things go for him. Not too many examples of players who have done as little as Grealish has at that stage of his career and then stepped up to becoming what you think he might become.

Dots1982

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The chances of him doing that at this stage are not very good but let's see how things go for him. Not too many examples of players who have done as little as Grealish has at that stage of his career and then stepped up to becoming what you think he might become.

Modric or Rakitic weren’t pulling up trees at 24. Casemiro..

Dots1982

But I agree he needs to train hard, play within a team etc. but when technically you are strong to brilliant in every facet of the game then you’ve a big chance.

Aidric

OTB is usually on top of the latest moral crusade. Indeed Gilroy was having a twitter meltdown not so long ago on the communication around the Dublin school that confirmed a corona virus patient.

Curious then that there was no discussion at all around the potential risks of letting Cheltenham proceed without any restrictions. I'm sure it has nothing to do with the sponsor of most of their racing and football content.

Utopia Parkway

Aidric wrote: »

OTB is usually on top of the latest moral crusade. Indeed Gilroy was having a twitter meltdown not so long ago on the communication around the Dublin school that confirmed a corona virus patient.

Curious then that there was no discussion at all around the potential risks of letting Cheltenham proceed without any restrictions. I'm sure it has nothing to do with the sponsor of most of their racing and football content.

They made more of a stink over a bit of bad language at a training session for a gaelic football team.

Ahwell

Aidric wrote: »

Curious then that there was no discussion at all around the potential risks of letting Cheltenham proceed without any restrictions. I'm sure it has nothing to do with the sponsor of most of their racing and football content.

It was discussed on the Tuesday's newsrounds. Joe and Richie made it quite clear they thought it was a ridiculous decision for it to go ahead, especially since the first case in Cheltenham was confirmed that day. They even had a dissenting voice for those who like a bit of "balance" - Damien Delaney was wondering whether maybe we were making too much of this coronavirus thing.

Tell me how

Wonder how OTB are going to deal with the lack of sport over the next few weeks.
A bank holiday Monday is generally enough to do some best of pieces from the last few weeks but can't see that working over such a period.
Suspect at the very least, Tom Dunne will be on the summer schedule next week.

Chalk McHugh

Tell me how wrote: »

Wonder how OTB are going to deal with the lack of sport over the next few weeks.
A bank holiday Monday is generally enough to do some best of pieces from the last few weeks but can't see that working over such a period.
Suspect at the very least, Tom Dunne will be on the summer schedule next week.

Oh for gods sake. As if things were not bad enough.

Jayesdiem

Tell me how wrote: »

Wonder how OTB are going to deal with the lack of sport over the next few weeks.
A bank holiday Monday is generally enough to do some best of pieces from the last few weeks but can't see that working over such a period.
Suspect at the very least, Tom Dunne will be on the summer schedule next week.

Plenty of political issues to for them give their expert opinion on.

LeineGlas

Jayesdiem wrote: »

Plenty of political issues to for them give their expert opinion on.

Another women's sport "special" today.

generalgerry

"It's a public health disaster" says Ciara Kelly on Off The Ball.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxAb1kb-NMw

Seems to me that OTB and their sponsors Paddy Power were happy enough for it to go ahead so that they could make money from the gambling. But now that it's all over, they are fully on board with criticism of it having gone ahead.

CatFromHue

I don't listen to the horse racing as I've no interest in it but in the little bits I did hear they did mention the danger of it going ahead and there was criticism of it.

Their only other option was to just not cover it at all, which I don't think works for anyone.

BPKS

Jayesdiem wrote: »

Plenty of political issues to for them give their expert opinion on.

Well predicted.

The paper review are currently talking about Doctor (or radio presenter) Ciara Kelly's price in the Sindo about the virus.

And now people in pubs are the target

Dots1982

You’d be best off going cold turkey on consuming sport right now surely. What exactly do you expect them to be talking about?

Tell me how

BPKS wrote: »

Well predicted.

The paper review are currently talking about Doctor (or radio presenter) Ciara Kelly's price in the Sindo about the virus.

And now people in pubs are the target

People in pubs are fcukin idiots and are rightly being called on it.

Abel Ruiz

Tell me how wrote: »

People in pubs are fcukin idiots and are rightly being called on it.

But am I an idiot for getting on a packed bus to go to work in the morning????

And did otb send duggan to Cheltenham????

Tell me how

Abel Ruiz wrote: »

But am I an idiot for getting on a packed bus to go to work in the morning????

And did otb send duggan to Cheltenham????

A - Anyone who went to Cheltenham of their own free will belongs to be referred to in the same category as those in the pubs.

B - I'm not excusing OTB because they did treat Cheltenham as close to being a normal festival for most of the week with the exception of some comments in relation to it but I don't think it as simple as saying they should not have done so given contracts which are probably in place in relation to sponsorship etc. Notwithstanding that, the situation did change very quickly in the last few days.

C - What has you getting on a bus to go to work got to do with anything?

generalgerry

Abel Ruiz wrote: »

And did otb send duggan to Cheltenham????

I did see him over there at the start of the week in some sort of communal journalists room. I know Johnny Ward was there but he says that he is just a contractor so he had to go or he doesn't get paid.

Chalk McHugh

Be interesting to see how OTB deal with the next few weeks of no sport. Think i heard today that the OTB AM Show is on tomorrow. Never listen to this but is there a need for it now? Surely the evening show would be enough. Or no show at all may be a better solution.

Saturday and Sunday sport on RTE Radio was scrapped this weekend. There's no point really in having it on. Same for OTB.

generalgerry

They did a good job of recommending documentaries and books to watch. But it will surely be very difficult for them to create content for the next few weeks if there is no sport.

Very funny moment on the paper review today, when Tommy Martin's daughter walked in on him as he was Skyping in his contribution. Very similar to the UK guy last year when the nanny came thundering in to drag the kids out of his room.

Chalk McHugh

My usual weekly pocasts like the GAA Hour, Throw In, RTE GAA podcast, Football Weekly, Totally Football Show will all be reduced or scrapped i suspect. Even Shane Stapleton's Our Game on Youtube will suffer greatly for material. It is what it is. Nothing that can be done about it.