Off The Ball Official Thread <Mod Note - Post #1, #533, #6651>

Dots1982

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Dots1982 wrote: »

Jaysis, I don’t know how so many lads on this are triggered by the show.

I have a friend who is extremely conservative and intolerant of anyone who is not a white male and he thinks the show is better than ever. Loves it.

I think some of you need to accept that people’s opinions will differ from your own. I think instead of complaining on here you could write to OTB and they might address your views on their Friday mailbag thing. The lads control the editorial content but if enough people complain they could change it. It will be more productive than annoying us about it.

You are completely missing the point why the likes of me have gone off the show.
It is not to do with race.
It is not to with politics.

The fact you bring these issues up demonstrates to me that you cannot see that it is no longer a real sports show.

To Paraphrase Brian Clough (a comment he made that is quoted often on OTB)

If I want to listen to a sports I listen to sports radio

If I want to listen to cultural debate I listen to cultural highbrow radio classical fm

If I want to listen to Irish I listen to RnG

If I want to listen to Pop I listen to Spin FM / 2FM

If I want to listen to social justice and peoples problems I listen to Joe Duffy

If I want to listen to discussions on unmarried mothers / foreigners coming into the country I listen to late night talk radio 98 FM /FM 104

So tell me son, why would you listen to Off the Ball if is no longer a sports show?

It’s not a sports show? Well you’re entitled to your opinion I guess. I don’t understand it at all so I don’t see a point in me making any further comment.

Jayesdiem

ThisRegard wrote: »

How can you discuss doping outside of the scope of morality? It's a black and white issue, you either acknowledge it's cheating or you don't. You can try stick your head in the sand when it comes to doping all you want, but it's not a problem that's going to go away because you don't want to know about it.

You're right there - I couldn't give a hoot about doping. More power to all dopers. They're doing their level best in the pursuit of glory.

Jayesdiem

Dots1982 wrote: »

Jaysis, I don’t know how so many lads on this are triggered by the show.

I have a friend who is extremely conservative and intolerant of anyone who is not a white male and he thinks the show is better than ever. Loves it.

I think some of you need to accept that people’s opinions will differ from your own. I think instead of complaining on here you could write to OTB and they might address your views on their Friday mailbag thing. The lads control the editorial content but if enough people complain they could change it. It will be more productive than annoying us about it.

I am very tolerant of others' opinions. Joe can think what he likes about Trump/women/child abuse but does he have to tell me about it on a SPORTS show? Newstalk discusses all of these issues at other times of the day.

OldMrBrennan83

This post has been deleted.

Tombo2001

Ol' Donie wrote: »

(I believe these things need to be discussed, but there are actual games on tonight. And last night.)

I often wonder how sports fans put up with things like corrupt oligarch managers buying football clubs; or (literally) tens of thousands of migrant workers in slave labour conditions building world cup stadiums....

I'm greatly enlightened on the subject by this conversation.

Lt Dan

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Plus in my view OTB has been completely derailed as a sports programme.
Ok, when it was in it's pomp Ken Earley used to be a bit annoying with his philosophy angles etc.
But at least sport used to be discussed front and centre in the most part.

In my view a previously good sports show (which I used to enjoy listening to the majority of) has gradually broadened it's scope to social justice.
And side issues have overtaken the discussion of sport itself.

I glanced back through old comments on this thread at one stage Gilroy and Molloy seemed popular.
But I feel as if they have morphed into something else entirely and it is no longer a sports show.

It is now a quasi-sports show who are more interested in off the field issues then on the field issues.
They have taken thier name 'Off the Ball' too literally?
The main question always seems to return to how do the sports people feel?
Or worse the presenters get thier feeling's hurt on behalf of a group that they do not represent!

The phrase 'How did that make you feel?' has overtaken discussions of actual sport.
The change in comments on this thread show this.

It has turned into Oprah / Sally Jesse Raphael / Giradalo / Dr Phil masquerading as a sports show.

It is now not much different from the 'human interest' stories on the 'Late Late Show'. Where discussions on sexuality, depression, life threatening illness, and political correctness take the prominent position.
Actual sport itself is now a secondary issue for OTB?

Maybe that is to be expected when Gilroy's graduate degree was a BA in English?

https://www.linkedin.com/start/view-full-profile?_ed=0_Cc6TliFj-Tqz2n9e3rq5r6O1Rd2FRbeCx4a-obafDB1EcRqGDTFUZBRVbL4HnJy_&trk=ndir_viewmore

Trinity College, Dublin
BA, English
1995 – 1999
Activities and Societies: Trinity News, Publications, Alternate Magazine

Joe Molloy's undergraduate degree background is in English and history

https://www.linkedin.com/in/joe-molloy-49236463

National University of Ireland, Maynooth
Bachelor of Arts (BA), English and History
2003 – 2006
St. Patrick's College, Maynooth

St. Patrick's College, Maynooth
Postgraduate Diploma in Radio and Television Production, Communication and Media Studies
2006 – 2007

I am only a very casual rugby watcher / listener.
But even I can tell that the pure enthusiasm and detailed tactical discussion of Gerry Thornley is missed.
Similar to the pure enthusiasm and detailed discussion of Wooly Parkinson from a GAA standpoint.

'How does that make me feel?' :rolleyes:

I change channels....

The how do you feel question is used a lot.

Even the Channel 4 Racing team (the most recent one, and one that had ex pro jocks) was like that too. Then the girls, who to be fair, I liked eg Alice "touchy feely grab a feel" Plunkett (would not mind , myself getting all emotional

See that has not really changed at ITV with Ed Chamberlain , who I fear might combust some day

I have given up on OTB in the sense, that I no longer go out of my way to listen to it, like I use to . Obviously, if the radio is on, I would tune in, but I use to listen to it religiously.

Frankly, I strongly believe that the SJW stuff gets thrown in to cover up the lack of detailed knowledge and understanding of the sport that they are talking about, or worse, complete failure to do research.

One example was this time last year, when Aidan O'Brien had a great year, with this 3 horses coming 1-2-3 in the Arc. Joe, does not even bother to hide is lack of knowledge or do any research only to ask Aidan about the stud value of the winner, Found, a filly. Aidan, being so kind , didn't seek to correct him. Kilbane did to be fair .

Even the less serious crappy quiz (why on earth is that on the radio on a Friday of all days) asks worrying questions about the limit of their knowledge with some of them getting very basic questions wrong.

The tipping points for me were this year

1. Around February, Joe telling the country that Tiger Woods , a man who simply rode around him on consensual terms btw (who could blame him, if he was anyone else we would all think that he is a legend) never ceased to disappoint him. In the same segment which was about Rory Mc, by the way, it was all to do with them wondering why he met a golf fan like Donald Trump. Fair enough, he has to offer a balance , but he was desperately hoping his belief was true ie part of the job and golf attracting conservative figures

2. More recent, Joe went on a complete meltdown and had no qualms telling us that he was not going to take it , during the pre Ireland v Wales game that questioned whether he was really a "footballing man". This is a lad who played a bit for a Junior team crying to two ex Professional Footballers (Hartson and Kilbane) both of whom were Internationals..................


Who are the lads who do the late night Team 32 or 33/43 (not sure of the name) They more or less do a similar job. They aren't as polished but at least more listenable . Does another sport show, regardless of the time it is on, seem a bit excessive ?

Ol' Donie

Team 33 (i think it's from Delaney asking Sepp could we be the 33rd team in the World Cup after the Henry handball).

I don't know how or why it exists, given that even the sports news during the day is under the OTB banner, but it's a good show. I have it in the old podcast subscriptions.

Ol' Donie

On a positive note, I'm gonna say again my guilty pleasure is the Crappy Quiz and Off The Ballbag. Bit o' craic, like.

(Except the buzzer noise, of course)

VW 1

Like many, I've stopped going out of my way to listen to the show, mainly due to my dislike of many of the regular contributors. such as Giles repeating the same things weekly gets my goat.

Not a huge fan of joe or ger, plus in this day and age it's so much easier to just download a podcast and listen at your leisure.

I usually go out of my way to make sure I catch the Sunday paper review on podcast as they often do in depth analysis of specific subjects, with an array of interesting and differing viewpoints.

Do the team 33 guys podcast their show, seeing as it's on at an awkward time for me?

Ol' Donie

Yep, the Team 33 podcast is on the NT app and I found it no hassle using Podcast Republic.

siblers

I wonder what will Joe's thoughts be of the hurling scandal from Kilkenny :pac:

Ol' Donie wrote: »

On a positive note, I'm gonna say again my guilty pleasure is the Crappy Quiz and Off The Ballbag. Bit o' craic, like.

(Except the buzzer noise, of course)

I think we are the only two people here who like the Crappy Quiz.

Utopia Parkway

siblers wrote: »

I wonder what will Joe's thoughts be of the hurling scandal from Kilkenny :pac:

Was wondering the same thing myself how OTB would handle this story.

The Ballyragget boys to receive counselling in gender appreciation maybe?

For Forks Sake

siblers wrote: »

I wonder what will Joe's thoughts be of the hurling scandal from Kilkenny :pac:

Ursus Horribilis

They've an audience of 53k all the same

For Forks Sake

JoeA3 wrote: »

Yeah they’re having Garth Crooks on Possibly the most comically ill informed clueless “pundit” out there. Constantly playing the racist card too while not boring us with his football insight.

That was half an hour of my life that I'll never get back.

Crooks tried to point to the fact that Paul Ince didn't get the England U-21 managerial role to make his point. Crooks reckoned he deserved it 'because of what he had acheived on the field'.

Now I'll give him that, Ince was a fantastic footballer, but many fantastic footballers have been incredibly poor managers, because simply being good at the game doesn't mean that you possess the entirely different skill set required for management.

A look at Ince's managerial CV would seem to point to the fact that he's just not a good manager as opposed to any racism being the reason he gets passed over for jobs:



MK Dons
On 26 April, the Dons became League Two champions after they beat Bradford City 2–1. Ok, success, but at the lowest level in English league football.

Blackburn Rovers
After winning just three games in 17, Ince was sacked on 16 December 2008 after just six months in charge

MK Dons (again)
During Ince's second spell the Dons were less successful finishing in 13th place in League One. On 16 April 2010, he announced that he would leave the job a year early, at the end of the 2009–10 season.

Notts County
On 3 April 2011 he left the club by mutual consent after losing a club record nine games in a row, including a 2–0 defeat to relegation rivals Oldham Athletic the day before.

Blackpool
Following the game at Bournemouth Ince was given a five-match stadium ban by The Football Association for his conduct towards a match official in the tunnel after the game. The FA concluded that his behaviour had constituted violent conduct. He was also fined £4,000

Ince left Blackpool on 21 January 2014, after less than a year in charge, becoming their fourth-shortest-serving manager in their history (40 league games). Under his management, Blackpool won 12 out of 42 games and had not won since 30 November 2013.

JoeA3

Exactly.
The racism angle flogged to death by the likes of Crooks is a complete farce. If Ince was good enough he'd be in-demand, its as simple as that. He did get a big chance back in 2009 (?) with Blackburn Rovers in the premier league and he was soon found out.

There's been dozens of would-be managers over the years who've been flavour of the month for 5 minutes, only to fail miserably and never get a big job again. The colour of their skin had nothing to do with it...

For Forks Sake wrote: »

That was half an hour of my life that I'll never get back.

Crooks tried to point to the fact that Paul Ince didn't get the England U-21 managerial role to make his point. Crooks reckoned he deserved it 'because of what he had acheived on the field'.

Now I'll give him that, Ince was a fantastic footballer, but many fantastic footballers have been incredibly poor managers, because simply being good at the game doesn't mean that you possess the entirely different skill set required for management.

A look at Ince's managerial CV would seem to point to the fact that he's just not a good manager as opposed to any racism being the reason he gets passed over for jobs:



MK Dons
On 26 April, the Dons became League Two champions after they beat Bradford City 2–1. Ok, success, but at the lowest level in English league football.

Blackburn Rovers
After winning just three games in 17, Ince was sacked on 16 December 2008 after just six months in charge

MK Dons (again)
During Ince's second spell the Dons were less successful finishing in 13th place in League One. On 16 April 2010, he announced that he would leave the job a year early, at the end of the 2009–10 season.

Notts County
On 3 April 2011 he left the club by mutual consent after losing a club record nine games in a row, including a 2–0 defeat to relegation rivals Oldham Athletic the day before.

Blackpool
Following the game at Bournemouth Ince was given a five-match stadium ban by The Football Association for his conduct towards a match official in the tunnel after the game. The FA concluded that his behaviour had constituted violent conduct. He was also fined £4,000

Ince left Blackpool on 21 January 2014, after less than a year in charge, becoming their fourth-shortest-serving manager in their history (40 league games). Under his management, Blackpool won 12 out of 42 games and had not won since 30 November 2013.

elefant

For Forks Sake wrote: »

That was half an hour of my life that I'll never get back.

Crooks tried to point to the fact that Paul Ince didn't get the England U-21 managerial role to make his point. Crooks reckoned he deserved it 'because of what he had acheived on the field'.

Now I'll give him that, Ince was a fantastic footballer, but many fantastic footballers have been incredibly poor managers, because simply being good at the game doesn't mean that you possess the entirely different skill set required for management.

A look at Ince's managerial CV would seem to point to the fact that he's just not a good manager as opposed to any racism being the reason he gets passed over for jobs:



MK Dons
On 26 April, the Dons became League Two champions after they beat Bradford City 2–1. Ok, success, but at the lowest level in English league football.

Blackburn Rovers
After winning just three games in 17, Ince was sacked on 16 December 2008 after just six months in charge

MK Dons (again)
During Ince's second spell the Dons were less successful finishing in 13th place in League One. On 16 April 2010, he announced that he would leave the job a year early, at the end of the 2009–10 season.

Notts County
On 3 April 2011 he left the club by mutual consent after losing a club record nine games in a row, including a 2–0 defeat to relegation rivals Oldham Athletic the day before.

Blackpool
Following the game at Bournemouth Ince was given a five-match stadium ban by The Football Association for his conduct towards a match official in the tunnel after the game. The FA concluded that his behaviour had constituted violent conduct. He was also fined £4,000

Ince left Blackpool on 21 January 2014, after less than a year in charge, becoming their fourth-shortest-serving manager in their history (40 league games). Under his management, Blackpool won 12 out of 42 games and had not won since 30 November 2013.

I thought the topic of the piece was very worthwhile. The statistics they explained are undeniably off.

I agree about Gareth Crook's though. A lot of what he was saying just seemed like emotional nonsense, which obscured the whole issue. Only 3% of managers in the UK not being white is strange; Paul Ince not having one of those jobs isn't.

Jayesdiem

elefant wrote: »

For Forks Sake wrote: »

That was half an hour of my life that I'll never get back.

Crooks tried to point to the fact that Paul Ince didn't get the England U-21 managerial role to make his point. Crooks reckoned he deserved it 'because of what he had acheived on the field'.

Now I'll give him that, Ince was a fantastic footballer, but many fantastic footballers have been incredibly poor managers, because simply being good at the game doesn't mean that you possess the entirely different skill set required for management.

A look at Ince's managerial CV would seem to point to the fact that he's just not a good manager as opposed to any racism being the reason he gets passed over for jobs:



MK Dons
On 26 April, the Dons became League Two champions after they beat Bradford City 2–1. Ok, success, but at the lowest level in English league football.

Blackburn Rovers
After winning just three games in 17, Ince was sacked on 16 December 2008 after just six months in charge

MK Dons (again)
During Ince's second spell the Dons were less successful finishing in 13th place in League One. On 16 April 2010, he announced that he would leave the job a year early, at the end of the 2009–10 season.

Notts County
On 3 April 2011 he left the club by mutual consent after losing a club record nine games in a row, including a 2–0 defeat to relegation rivals Oldham Athletic the day before.

Blackpool
Following the game at Bournemouth Ince was given a five-match stadium ban by The Football Association for his conduct towards a match official in the tunnel after the game. The FA concluded that his behaviour had constituted violent conduct. He was also fined £4,000

Ince left Blackpool on 21 January 2014, after less than a year in charge, becoming their fourth-shortest-serving manager in their history (40 league games). Under his management, Blackpool won 12 out of 42 games and had not won since 30 November 2013.

I thought the topic of the piece was very worthwhile. The statistics they explained are undeniably off.

I agree about Gareth Crook's though. A lot of what he was saying just seemed like emotional nonsense, which obscured the whole issue. Only 3% of managers in the UK not being white is strange; Paul Ince not having one of those jobs isn't.

I think you summed that up very nicely with that last sentence. Why has this show taken upon itself to get to the bottom of this though? By any chance are they actively looking for these anomalies so that they can rant and rave about social justice? I keep using him as an example but Colm Parkinson brilliantly presents a sport-only show because he has the know how to do so and has enough respect amongst former peers to attract worthwhile interviewees. It scarcely occurred to me until a few mentioned it in these recent posts but this is exactly what the OTB tossers don't have so they try to compensate for it with these 'human interest' angles that are wildly misplaced and inappropriate. I can only assume that because the listeners hear this same stuff across NT's other shows across the day, they fail to notice that sport is rarely the main course on OTB.

siblers

Dan McDonnell and Nathan on last night with Richie doing the news, if they had Dave in there too, then that's a near perfect line up. I only listened to sections but there was no politics or social outrage etc. .

I probably don't mind Joe as much as others on here but I was fully anticipating him to go full white knight about those hurlers, was so glad to see he wasn't on. Same with Adrian Barry, I find him very annoying

applehunter

Ah, don't tell me that Country & Western theme shows has spread to sports radio.

siblers

Daniel O'Donnell is actually pretty funny, I'd have no problem with him appearing randomly on OTB

Jayesdiem

siblers wrote: »

Dan McDonnell and Nathan on last night with Richie doing the news, if they had Dave in there too, then that's a near perfect line up. I only listened to sections but there was no politics or social outrage etc. .

I probably don't mind Joe as much as others on here but I was fully anticipating him to go full white knight about those hurlers, was so glad to see he wasn't on. Same with Adrian Barry, I find him very annoying

Don't get me started on that....I'm glad to hear Joe wasn't around to comment, I avoided OTBs coverage of that "scandal" to avoid the prospect of throwing my phone out the car window. Consenting adults doing what consenting adults do in a private setting - no worse than what goes on up and down the country in multiple stag and hen parties every weekend all year round. I simply cannot believe this is news: "Men hire strippers".

siblers

Jayesdiem wrote: »

Don't get me started on that....I'm glad to hear Joe wasn't around to comment, I avoided OTBs coverage of that "scandal" to avoid the prospect of throwing my phone out the car window. Consenting adults doing what consenting adults do in a private setting - no worse than what goes on up and down the country in multiple stag and hen parties every weekend all year round. I simply cannot believe this is news: "Men hire strippers".

I could be wrong but I'm not sure they even mentioned it last night, I listened to most of the news round and I heard no mention of it. Tuned in again after 8 and no mention of it then either

Icemancometh

Jayesdiem wrote: »

Don't get me started on that....I'm glad to hear Joe wasn't around to comment, I avoided OTBs coverage of that "scandal" to avoid the prospect of throwing my phone out the car window. Consenting adults doing what consenting adults do in a private setting - no worse than what goes on up and down the country in multiple stag and hen parties every weekend all year round. I simply cannot believe this is news: "Men hire strippers".

Ah here, it's getting bad when you're complaining about things they haven't said

ghostdancer

Ursus Horribilis wrote: »

They've an audience of 53k all the same

a record for OTB apparently.

bit awkward for all the whingers in this thread complaining about the content/presenters/anything else about a show they seem to dislike.....

applehunter

Jayesdiem

Icemancometh wrote: »

Jayesdiem wrote: »

Don't get me started on that....I'm glad to hear Joe wasn't around to comment, I avoided OTBs coverage of that "scandal" to avoid the prospect of throwing my phone out the car window. Consenting adults doing what consenting adults do in a private setting - no worse than what goes on up and down the country in multiple stag and hen parties every weekend all year round. I simply cannot believe this is news: "Men hire strippers".

Ah here, it's getting bad when you're complaining about things they haven't said

Let's not pretend we don't know what Joe would have said had he been around to comment. There really aren't too many options.

elefant

Jayesdiem wrote: »

Let's not pretend we don't know what Joe would have said had he been around to comment. There really aren't too many options.

Do we know?

You would be a tiny bit biased, you'd have to admit!

gormdubhgorm

Lt Dan wrote: »

More recent, Joe went on a complete meltdown and had no qualms telling us that he was not going to take it , during the pre Ireland v Wales game that questioned whether he was really a "footballing man". This is a lad who played a bit for a Junior team crying to two ex Professional Footballers (Hartson and Kilbane) both of whom were Internationals..................

Is that on a podcast?
That would amuse me because OTB's predecessor's 'Second Captains' have an ongoing joke about Ken Early not being considered ' a football man' by Giles / Dunphy.

Jayesdiem

Jayesdiem wrote: »

Let's not pretend we don't know what Joe would have said

...But he didn't. It literally didn't happen.

I agree with Icemancometh. Nobody is doing their argument any favours by inventing scenarios to get pissed off about.

And no, I really have no idea what Joe Molloy would think of that Ballyraggert GAA players non-story. I haven't met a single person, of any political persuasion, getting upset by it.