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    #9722
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 51,751 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    Fine Gael TD: Pro-life protestors were banging on my home window
    A FINE GAEL TD has been forced from his home after a group of pro-life protesters turned up outside his house and began chanting and banging on his door and windows.

    The incident occurred on Sunday morning when “30-plus” protesters gathered outside the Dublin home of Dublin Mid-West TD Derek Keating.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



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    #9723
    Sierra 117
    Registered Users Posts: 629 ✭✭✭Sierra 117


    Some pro-birthers never miss a chance to act like scum. Harassing a man at home is low.


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    #9724
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    Clearly you have no intention of following mod instructions and answering questions so just forget it, yeah.

    Again kettle pot black. I answered your question but you decided to nitpick over it and it is there for anyone to go back and see, It's ok though i am not disappointed that you still won't answer the question in fact i had already resigned myself to it.


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    #9725
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    koth wrote: »
    Fine Gael TD: Pro-life protestors were banging on my home window

    It's days like this that i wish our gun laws were a little bit more like the USA's


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    #9726
    maguic24
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,790 ✭✭✭maguic24


    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    And where in your opinion does this "choice" end?

    In the case of an unsuccesful abortion and there is a delivered baby still alive does the mother have the right to request the abortionist to kill the living newborn baby?

    Yes, may as well finish the job, that's what she/he's paid for.


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    #9727
    _rebelkid
    Registered Users Posts: 1,886 ✭✭✭_rebelkid


    I had a look at the mailing lists published by the YD hack. Thousands of them are priests, religious orders, churches and religious groups. Hundreds more are newspapers. What is most surprising is the number of people using county council emails. There's the usual spattering of Italians, Americans, New Zealanders, Australians etc, and then there's the minority of Irish people.

    Most of what was published was already well known info, but what surprised me (and didn't in some ways), was the amount of violence they used in the 90's. They had a van of large men with hurleys, bats and pipes going to, basically, kill people in from a pro-choice meeting.

    As per usual, they crazies shout the loudest, that's why they're known.


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    #9728
    aloyisious
    Registered Users Posts: 11,585 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    And where in your opinion does this "choice" end?

    In the case of an unsuccesful abortion and there is a delivered baby still alive does the mother have the right to request the abortionist to kill the living newborn baby?

    Umm interesting question to pose anyone. I'd suppose that a woman could put the idea into words. As for whether she'd have the right, I'd say "NO" as that would be a request to another person to kill a living human being outside the womb (said newborn being free of physical attachment to his/her mother, and capable of independent living ) an act contrary to Irish Criminal law. I'd say that was a request liable to Criminal Sanction. Any person going along with such a request could also be culpable.

    However, if there is a further (as yet unsaid/unasked) part to your question to which you already found an answer, then I retain the right to alter any part of my response I think necessary.


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    #9729
    Brown Bomber
    Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    maguic24 wrote: »
    Yes, may as well finish the job, that's what she/he's paid for.
    Not sure if you are being facetious or not.


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    #9730
    Brown Bomber
    Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    aloyisious wrote: »
    Umm interesting question to pose anyone. I'd suppose that a woman could put the idea into words. As for whether she'd have the right, I'd say "NO" as that would be a request to another person to kill a living human being outside the womb (said newborn being free of physical attachment to his/her mother, and capable of independent living ) an act contrary to Irish Criminal law. I'd say that was a request liable to Criminal Sanction. Any person going along with such a request could also be culpable.

    However, if there is a further (as yet unsaid/unasked) part to your question to which you already found an answer, then I retain the right to alter any part of my response I think necessary.
    I agree. Here is another one that bothers me: If the mother has decided that she only wants a girl as the spare bedroom is already painted pink and she doesn't want to repaint does she in your opinion have the right to "choose" to abort however many healthy boy foetuses until she gets a girl?

    Bare in mind the ultrasound comes at the time when surgical abortion will have to take place and it has been theorised by experts that the foetus would feel pain.


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    #9731
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    I agree. Here is another one that bothers me: If the mother has decided that she only wants a girl as the spare bedroom is already painted pink and she doesn't want to repaint does she in your opinion have the right to "choose" to abort however many healthy boy foetuses until she gets a girl?

    Bare in mind the ultrasound comes at the time when surgical abortion will have to take place and it has been theorised by experts that the foetus would feel pain.

    Of course that's not ok and i doubt if you will find anyone who will say it is ok!

    Also why do you have to keep posting theories? Do you think it would be ok for me to keep posting that there is a theory that unicorns living on saturn take away the pain so there is no need for you to worry would that be good enough for you?


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    #9732
    Brown Bomber
    Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    bumper234 wrote: »
    Of course that's not ok and i doubt if you will find anyone who will say it is ok!

    Also why do you have to keep posting theories? Do you think it would be ok for me to keep posting that there is a theory that unicorns living on saturn take away the pain so there is no need for you to worry would that be good enough for you?
    Why in your opinion is this not okay?


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    #9733
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    Why in your opinion is this not okay?

    Because your analogy is preposterous to say the least. You are coming up with wilder scenarios EVERY day asking (demanding) that people answer them hoping to get a dramatic reply so you can go off on yet another wild tangent screaming SEE I TOLD YOU SO I TOLD YOU SO.

    Just stop dude it's getting boring and silly.


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    #9734
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    I agree. Here is another one that bothers me: If the mother has decided that she only wants a girl as the spare bedroom is already painted pink and she doesn't want to repaint does she in your opinion have the right to "choose" to abort however many healthy boy foetuses until she gets a girl?

    Bare in mind the ultrasound comes at the time when surgical abortion will have to take place and it has been theorised by experts that the foetus would feel pain.

    Why do you keep proposing false dilemmas and hysterical scenarios? I find it hard to see what point you're trying to make....


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    #9735
    Brown Bomber
    Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    It's not an analogy. Where I live you can abort a boy foetus if you only want a girl baby.

    What if a white women has a one night stand with a black man but doesn't want a child with black blood because she is racist. Do you defend her right to end the life of her mixed race foetus?


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    #9736
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    It's not an analogy. Where I live you can abort a boy foetus if you only want a girl baby.

    What if a white women has a one night stand with a black man but doesn't want a child with black blood because she is racist. Do you defend her right to end the life of her mixed race foetus?

    We are debating IRISH legislation and under IRISH legislation this would not happen. In America if a bunch of pro life numpties came knocking on your door abusng you then you could shoot them. Do you think THAT'S ok??????:rolleyes:


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    #9737
    Brown Bomber
    Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    Nodin wrote: »
    Why do you keep proposing false dilemmas and hysterical scenarios? I find it hard to see what point you're trying to make....

    That the abortion debate is a lot more complex than simply being a choice between being pro choice and pro life. Extremists at both ends can't avoid the fact that their absolutism requires them to support some fairly awful things.


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    #9738
    Brown Bomber
    Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    bumper234 wrote: »
    We are debating IRISH legislation and under IRISH legislation this would not happen. In America if a bunch of pro life numpties came knocking on your door abusng you then you could shoot them. Do you think THAT'S ok??????:rolleyes:

    OK. What if a black man has sex with a white Irish woman and becomes pregnant. Do you support her right to abort her baby on faked "mental health" grounds when the reality is that she is a racist and doesn't want a mixed race child?


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    #9739
    Bannasidhe
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 19,219 Mod ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    It's not an analogy. Where I live you can abort a boy foetus if you only want a girl baby.

    What if a white women has a one night stand with a black man but doesn't want a child with black blood because she is racist. Do you defend her right to end the life of her mixed race foetus?

    So now the scenario is what if a racist woman has a one night stand with a black man???

    What part of it's up to each individual woman whether or not she wishes to be pregnant do you not understand?

    It's really a very simple premise - she who owns the womb gets to decide if she wants the womb occupied and no matter how many of these increasingly bizarre 'what if's' you post will change that simple fact.

    Women should have the right to choose.


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    #9740
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    OK. What if a black man has sex with a white Irish woman and becomes pregnant. Do you support her right to abort her baby on faked "mental health" grounds when the reality is that she is a racist and doesn't want a mixed race child?

    No i don't support that. But if that same woman needed an abortion because she was ill or if the birth was going to kill her then i would be willing to escort her through 500 youth defense muppets and their placards so she could exercise her right to have the abortion.


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    #9741
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 51,751 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    Nodin wrote: »
    Why do you keep proposing false dilemmas and hysterical scenarios? I find it hard to see what point you're trying to make....

    Probably testing the waters to see how far pro-choice posters will support a womans choice when her motivation might be something stupid/distasteful. Will they still support pro-choice when woman make a choice they don't agree with.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



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    #9742
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    It's not an analogy. Where I live you can abort a boy foetus if you only want a girl baby.

    What if a white women has a one night stand with a black man but doesn't want a child with black blood because she is racist. Do you defend her right to end the life of her mixed race foetus?

    Why would she have had sex with him if she was racist?


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    #9743
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    koth wrote: »
    Probably testing the waters to see how far pro-choice posters will support a womans choice when her motivation might be something stupid/distasteful. Will they still support pro-choice when woman make a choice they don't agree with.

    This is exactly it he is posting sensationalist examples hoping to get a reaction, I have reported several of his posts for this now.


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    #9744
    Bannasidhe
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 19,219 Mod ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    bumper234 wrote: »
    This is exactly it he is posting sensationalist examples hoping to get a reaction, I have reported several of his posts for this now.

    What IF a lizard alien impregnated a nun - should she be allowed to abort it?


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    #9745
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 51,751 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    OK. What if a black man has sex with a white Irish woman and becomes pregnant. Do you support her right to abort her baby on faked "mental health" grounds when the reality is that she is a racist and doesn't want a mixed race child?

    Do you think the woman should be denied the morning-after pill if she decides to take it because she had sex with a black man?

    If you can read this, you're too close!



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    #9746
    Brown Bomber
    Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    efb wrote: »
    Why would she have had sex with him if she was racist?
    For the same reason white slave owners had sex with their black slaves.


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    #9747
    MagicMarker
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    What if a woman's due date falls on a Tuesday that just so happens to be the same day that she has an an appointment at the hairdressers, should she be allowed to abort it then?

    Or, what if she's an antisemite racist who sleeps with a black jew on arian brotherhood day, can she have an abortion?


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    #9748
    aloyisious
    Registered Users Posts: 11,585 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    I agree. Here is another one that bothers me: If the mother has decided that she only wants a girl as the spare bedroom is already painted pink and she doesn't want to repaint does she in your opinion have the right to "choose" to abort however many healthy boy foetuses until she gets a girl?

    Bare in mind the ultrasound comes at the time when surgical abortion will have to take place and it has been theorised by experts that the foetus would feel pain.

    That'd be an very extreme scenario, but NOT outside the range of human-thought. I'd say "NO" as it's "based" on a lazyness, a whim or fancy on colour schemes.

    My position on abortions is that a woman must have the last say, on credible grounds: - eg, to eliminate a risk to her health and life - to terminate or abort her pregnancy. I won't be changing my position on the rightness of allowing a woman the final credible say on having an abortion or termination.

    In a way that has a direct bearing on the suicide part of the bill, nay-sayers and doubters questioning of it being a reality have been answered in real life by the pregnant woman who took her own life because her latest pregnancy was revealed by ultrasound to be a boy, not a girl, as she already had several sons.


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    #9749
    lazygal
    Registered Users Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    What if a lesbian Jewish woman has sex with a gay Muslim man and the baby won't know what religious or sexual affiliations to follow, can she have an abortion?


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    #9750
    Bannasidhe
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 19,219 Mod ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    lazygal wrote: »
    What if a lesbian Jewish woman has sex with a gay Muslim man and the baby won't know what religious or sexual affiliations to follow, can she have an abortion?

    I happen to know a black Jewish lesbian. I don't like her.


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    #9751
    Brown Bomber
    Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    lazygal wrote: »
    What if a lesbian Jewish woman has sex with a gay Muslim man and the baby won't know what religious or sexual affiliations to follow, can she have an abortion?

    Why don't you answer the question. My scenario is feasible. I was led to believe that questions are supposed to be answered here.
    What if a white women has a one night stand with a black man but doesn't want a child with black blood because she is racist. Do you defend her right to end the life of her mixed race foetus?


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