Rangers FC On Field Gossip & Rumour Thread 2017 Mod Note in OP(Updated 14/08)

Soups123

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

Talk of challenging Celtic for the league title is fantasy at the moment. There are a number of hurdles on and off the football park for Rangers to negotiate before they can even challenge anyone in the Premiership!

No I get that but for them I think King is s step in the right direction and probably the most positive change to have happened in awhile

Time will tell I suppose

Soups123

weldoninhio wrote: »

It's not about the league challenge, I still can't see Rangers* getting promoted. It's about the bending of the rules for one club. How someone with 42 convictions for tax evasion, who's been called a mendacious witness, who the judge said he wouldn't believe unless there was documentary evidence to back up his statements. Who has been called a "glib and Shameless liar" can be passed as fit and proper to run a club in Scotland.

What would he have to have done to have failed the F&P??

100% agree he should never have passed it and it just shows how much the test means f all really.

A Dub in Glasgo

It will only be positive for Rangers if King puts his cash where his mouth is - so far none of the 'saviours' have put anything in. Hell, King could have saved the previous club considering Murray sold it for £1 !!

Dempsey

Soups123 wrote: »

It is appalling that he passed the fit and proper requirement, surely they have to be called into question if the same problems repeat themselves.

Celtic fans are worried that king will bring Rangers back to the level of before otherwise they'd be delighted with his appointment!

King could have bought Rangers for £1 and saved his initial £20m investment. Instead, he let Craig Whyte piss it away. I'm not worried about him at all.

The bigger issue is another businessman of the ilk of Ashley, Romanov, Whyte & Mileson is allowed control of a Scottish Football Club. Watching Football fans getting deceived & milked in the manner that has been happening in Scotland has changed my attitude of the sport at the highest level.

TheCitizen

Soups123 wrote: »

It is appalling that he passed the fit and proper requirement, surely they have to be called into question if the same problems repeat themselves.

Celtic fans are worried that king will bring Rangers back to the level of before otherwise they'd be delighted with his appointment!

They can have him. Dave GASL King. After what they've been through you'd think they might have learned something.

Intifada

Will McCoist be demanding that the corrupt/inept panel that found King F&P be named? Or is that only when decisions go against ye and he wants the rabid mob to set things proper?

Broxi_Bear_Eire

Intifada wrote: »

Will McCoist be demanding that the corrupt/inept panel that found King F&P be named? Or is that only when decisions go against ye and he wants the rabid mob to set things proper?

And why would he have anything to do with it. Really the amount of crying in here is amazing

Intifada

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

And why would he have anything to do with it. Really the amount of crying in here is amazing

Is this the new "obsessed"? Pretend everyone taking the piss is upset and crying? Best of luck with that one bud

PauloMN

Do the The Rangers fans here - hand on heart - think that King is a fit and proper person to be club chairman of The Rangers, given the fact that he has 41 tax convictions and previously was on the board of Rangers when it went into administration and was liquidated?

Honest answers now guys.

RoryMac

PauloMN wrote: »

Do the The Rangers fans here - hand on heart - think that King is a fit and proper person to be club chairman of The Rangers, given the fact that he has 41 tax convictions and previously was on the board of Rangers when it went into administration and was liquidated?

Honest answers now guys.

Speaking for myself as a Celtic fan, I want to see Rangers back in the top league and the competition they bring is good for the league as a whole but King seems to me to be in the same mould as Green & White.

Have a look at this interview he gave last year for an idea on his plans for Rangers. Some of the highlights http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/dave-king-insist-hell-not-3279689

The only way we can access that revenue is to compete with Celtic. To do that, in our first year back we are going to have to treble our wage bill as a minimum. Depending on how Dermot Desmond responds we may need to make it four times bigger.

Somehow we must bridge the gap and understand that we will not get back to the top unless the costs lead the revenue.

I have lost £20m in Rangers already and I’m happy to lose another £30m because I love the team.

So basically he wants to follow the Murray school of thought in spending money the club doesn't have to get a share of the CL pot of gold.

Jelle1880

PauloMN wrote: »

Do the The Rangers fans here - hand on heart - think that King is a fit and proper person to be club chairman of The Rangers, given the fact that he has 41 tax convictions and previously was on the board of Rangers when it went into administration and was liquidated?

Honest answers now guys.

I do think he's good for Rangers, there is nothing to indicate he's on the same level as Whyte or Green.

Whyte was banned as a director, Green was a loudmouth idiot who now seems to have been in league with Ashley from the start.

King has always been open about what happened and apparently has provided all necessary documentation to the SFA to prove that this is in the past.

He has proven that he is a shrewd businessman who knows how to run a business profitable (it's well known that in the months after the verdict in South Africa he made the money he paid back several times over).

I know Celtic fans will continue to talk about his tax issue (which was resolved to the satisfaction of the South African Revenue and their government is now one of his biggest client) and the fact he was on the board before the admin, but Paul Murray was also on that board and I don't see an outrage about him being passed as proper and fit.
Same goes for Easdale, he saw jail time for fraud and never have I heard any Celtic fan talk about that.

So there's 2 options I see here: Either Celtic fans are genuinely worried for Rangers, which somehow I doubt.

Or they see King as someone who can bring the club back on it's feet which they don't want.

edit: What Rory said doesn't make me comfortable though. We know what throwing money at everything has brought in the past. I just hope he uses his funds to set up a proper scouting team, invest in both youth and promising players from Scotland and abroad,...

We can survive a few years mediocrity in the top league if it means the club will be run properly.

Dempsey

I have lost £20m in Rangers already and I’m happy to lose another £30m because I love the team.

This is the logic that Sevco sheep wont explain. How does a businessman with the acumen of Dave King say that when he could have bought the club for £1 & saved his £20m investment. He didnt love the club enough to sort out the cash flow problems at the time or to to take on the tax man over unpaid taxes and EBT schemes. Now he does when its a new entity thats is once again in the ****? Doesnt sound like he loves the club that much or has the business acumen when it comes to running a football club.

Possibly he feels guilty because he dropped the ball so badly when Murray left but being prepared to sink £30m into a Division 1 team in an unsustainable/unrecoverable fashion with a mountain of debt with the ownership structure the way it is and naming rights of the stadium held to ransom smacks of another poor business decision for a competent businessman or just saying what fans want to hear and will go about things differently.

Regardless of his business skills, he shouldnt have passed a fit & proper persons test to run a Scottish Football Club but then again, the football authorities have shown their true colours time and time again. Look at them now play the 'King followed the process' card. Its pathetic really and anyone defending the decision doesnt have 2 brain cells to rub together

bobmalooka

Jelle1880 wrote: »

I do think he's good for Rangers, there is nothing to indicate he's on the same level as Whyte or Green.

Whyte was banned as a director, Green was a loudmouth idiot who now seems to have been in league with Ashley from the start.

King has always been open about what happened and apparently has provided all necessary documentation to the SFA to prove that this is in the past.

He has proven that he is a shrewd businessman who knows how to run a business profitable (it's well known that in the months after the verdict in South Africa he made the money he paid back several times over).

I know Celtic fans will continue to talk about his tax issue (which was resolved to the satisfaction of the South African Revenue and their government is now one of his biggest client) and the fact he was on the board before the admin, but Paul Murray was also on that board and I don't see an outrage about him being passed as proper and fit.
Same goes for Easdale, he saw jail time for fraud and never have I heard any Celtic fan talk about that.

So there's 2 options I see here: Either Celtic fans are genuinely worried for Rangers, which somehow I doubt.

Or they see King as someone who can bring the club back on it's feet which they don't want.

edit: What Rory said doesn't make me comfortable though. We know what throwing money at everything has brought in the past. I just hope he uses his funds to set up a proper scouting team, invest in both youth and promising players from Scotland and abroad,...

We can survive a few years mediocrity in the top league if it means the club will be run properly.

It's the same as we reacted to Whyte and Green, it was the same exact arguments, Celtic fans are worried so they are crying foul was the narrative.

I honestly can't understand how Rangers fans are dismissing Kings past so easily

- the tax "issue" Is resolved, well yes....in the same way any conviction is resolved when the penalties are applied I guess.

I don't understand the mental gymnastics needed to somehow conclude that this somehow absolves the CONVICT from their actions. The event has happened, Dave King is a convicted tax fraud. Paying the fine doesn't change that fact.

- he was a non-executive director of the club when it went into meltdown and subsequently liquidated. Semantics about no outrage over others not getting the same coverage are just that, semantics.
The non executive directors are meant to be the custodians of corporate governance on the board, think about that for second. His performance was either negligent or complicit is the only conclusion I can draw.


I'd be interested to know is there more to Rangers fans faith in this guy pther than he's a Rangers man and if celtic fans say it's bad then it must be the opposite?

Edit: 2-0 up, I really didn't think Ye would get past Hibs but it's in Rangers hands now

A Dub in Glasgo

Nice goal from Miller, Hibs flatter to deceive

So far, so good, on the pitch anyway!

All over 2-0

RoryMac

Excellent result for Rangers, big ask for Hibs to turn it around in the 2nd leg

The_Kew_Tour

Well done lads, ye took her chances we bottles it.

Jelle1880

Only saw it from the corner of my eye (in a pub with about 30 women and the Lazio - Juve game on the big screen :pac: ) but it's a great lead to take to Easter Road. Still not fully confident though.

The_Kew_Tour

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Only saw it from the corner of my eye (in a pub with about 30 women and the Lazio - Juve game on the big screen :pac: ) but it's a great lead to take to Easter Road. Still not fully confident though.

Ah would ya stop. Its over. Its Hibs yer playing not Barca

RoryMac

Jelle1880 wrote: »

in a pub with about 30 women .

Good man Jelle!!

Jelle1880

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Ah would ya stop. Its over. Its Hibs yer playing not Barca

Barca don't regularly come up against the likes of McCulloch

edit: No idea why Stubbs didn't bring on El Alagui ? With the amount of corners Hibs had...

PauloMN

Early goal for Hibs would be the only chance, but can't see it myself. Tie over, and tbh, Motherwell are complete gash as well so I don't expect much of a challenge there.

In fairness, having to play 6 games for promotion is a long route, and credit to any side who does it. Whoever gets there after that deserves it tbh.

I do, however, look forward to humping you lot over and over and over.... :pac:

Coillte_Bhoy

Youth Cup final live

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=jg9GUooV-ww

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9GUooV-ww

A Dub in Glasgo

G&SL is aiming for Super Ally




Still no sign of his £30m warchest!

Jelle1880

PauloMN wrote: »

Early goal for Hibs would be the only chance, but can't see it myself. Tie over, and tbh, Motherwell are complete gash as well so I don't expect much of a challenge there.

In fairness, having to play 6 games for promotion is a long route, and credit to any side who does it. Whoever gets there after that deserves it tbh.

I do, however, look forward to humping you lot over and over and over.... :pac:

I said it wouldn't be that easy...

Hibs all over us, McCall has set this team up to defend the 2 goal lead with no intention of nicking a goal
I'll never understand why he keeps picking McCulloch.

Jelle1880

Horrible to watch, but job done.

Hibs will be kicking themselves though for not taking their chances.

monkey9

I've no love for Rangers, but with this being the most trolled thread on the soccer forum, it'd be nice for Rangers to become a force again to sicken Celtic fans on here and in real life.

Intifada

monkey9 wrote: »

I've no love for Rangers, but with this being the most trolled thread on the soccer forum, it'd be nice for Rangers to become a force again to sicken Celtic fans on here and in real life.

The irony :pac:

bobbysands81

monkey9 wrote: »

I've no love for Rangers, but with this being the most trolled thread on the soccer forum, it'd be nice for Rangers to become a force again to sicken Celtic fans on here and in real life.

They can't become a force "again", they've been liquidated.

Even some of their own fans acknowledge it.

https://twitter.com/kraljski/status/602882802628042753