Rangers FC On Field Gossip & Rumour Thread 2017 Mod Note in OP(Updated 14/08)

Jelle1880

Mike Ashley's USC has gone into administration.

Administrators for this ? Duff and Phelps...

Coincidence ? :pac:

Broxi_Bear_Eire

bobbysands81 wrote: »

Out of interest... what Celtic fans said you should trust him?

Many tic fans have told me how he is good for the club the etc. Prety sure you hinted at it

bobbysands81

The Rangers fans queue overnight for chance to see Celtic.

Obsessed?!

Savage Tyrant

Old Firm Show down??.... Obsolete term.

Intifada

Savage Tyrant wrote: »

Old Firm Show down??.... Obsolete term.

Expect the media to really ramp up the propaganda in the run up to this.

Coillte_Bhoy

Savage Tyrant wrote: »

Old Firm Show down??.... Obsolete term.

Maybe to us but thats how the whole football community and media will refer to this and future games between us and them.

A Dub in Glasgo

I fixed that article

Intifada

"first Old Firm" is a bit of an oxymoron is it not? Should be taking this opportunity to finally scrap that awful term.

Coillte_Bhoy

Intifada wrote: »

"first Old Firm" is a bit of an oxymoron is it not? Should be taking this opportunity to finally scrap that awful term.

Who finds it awful apart from some fans? Nobody, it's what the Glasgow derby is known as all over the world, thats not going to change

PauloMN

I don't especially like the expression, it's really a media term (and therefore a term used mainly outwith the supporters of either club), nor do I use the expression myself. However the way some of you go on and on and on about it - as well as the "old club" stuff - is boring at this stage.

Jelle1880

'Rangers are pyoor deed' and yet fighting themselves over tickets

http://www.talkingbaws.com/2015/01/14/celtic-fan-accuses-fellow-supporters-of-stealing-his-kids-old-firm-semi-final-tickets/

The abuse back and forth is a sight to behold.

Magico Gonzalez

PauloMN wrote: »

I don't especially like the expression, it's really a media term (and therefore a term used mainly outwith the supporters of either club), nor do I use the expression myself. However the way some of you go on and on and on about it - as well as the "old club" stuff - is boring at this stage.

It's extremely ironic, given the charge of Ranger's fans being "obsessed" with watching their team play against Celtic. Hardly difficult to understand why this would be an appealing fixture?

There isn't a discussion on this thread which can get beyond the "old club/new club" jibes.

Not a fan of Rangers or Celtic, but I dip in here every now out of curiosity. Never fails to disappoint.

Dempsey

The disassociation from the term old firm started long before Rangers went to the wall.

The bolloxolgy from the media to sell papers is the stuff of people who just found the thesaurus in Microsoft Word for the first time. Great bunch of lads...

Also, the indifference of people to the truth of things is always delightful. Never let the truth get in the way of a good yarn springs to mind.

bobmalooka

Magico Gonzalez wrote: »

It's extremely ironic, given the charge of Ranger's fans being "obsessed" with watching their team play against Celtic. Hardly difficult to understand why this would be an appealing fixture?

There isn't a discussion on this thread which can get beyond the "old club/new club" jibes.

Not a fan of Rangers or Celtic, but I dip in here every now out of curiosity. Never fails to disappoint.

Nothing wrong with them finding a match against celtic appealing, "obsessed" was a reference to the standard response from some Rangers fans who don't like Celtic fans talking about their misfortune.

It's a tactic employed to kill debate, the joke is that it would seem Rangers fans are equally as obsessed. Nothing wrong with it anyway.

Keep an eye out if Rangers go into further trouble, we will be told how obsessed we are again by one or two fans when trying to discuss/take the piss.(this board isn't too bad for it to be honest but it happens an awful lot elsewhere)

cruiserweight

Savage Tyrant wrote: »

Old Firm Show down??.... Obsolete term.

Does that mean that the new firm semi is now the old firm semi, with the previous old firm now becoming the new firm?

Intifada

bobmalooka wrote: »

Nothing wrong with them finding a match against celtic appealing, "obsessed" was a reference to the standard response from some Rangers fans who don't like Celtic fans talking about their misfortune.

It's a tactic employed to kill debate, the joke is that it would seem Rangers fans are equally as obsessed. Nothing wrong with it anyway.

Keep an eye out if Rangers go into further trouble, we will be told how obsessed we are again by one or two fans when trying to discuss/take the piss.(this board isn't too bad for it to be honest but it happens an awful lot elsewhere)

Spot on.

Celtic fans do it too, although nowhere near as bad (could just be because they have less slagging to put up with). Sometimes I wonder are other clubs like that. I tune into the odd English game and usually hear them singing about their rivals even when they're not playing them.

Eirebear

Intifada wrote: »

Spot on.

Celtic fans do it too, although nowhere near as bad (could just be because they have less slagging to put up with). Sometimes I wonder are other clubs like that. I tune into the odd English game and usually hear them singing about their rivals even when they're not playing them.

I think the Rangers/Celtic binary is slightly different to that of say Man Utd, who over the years have had some intense periods of rivalry with Arsenal & Leeds to add to their traditional Man City and Liverpool local derbies whereas there's less opportunity for that in Scotland.

Not simply because of Rangers(Historic) and Celtic's (Ongoing) dominance, but also because of the smaller leagues playing each other 4 times a season.
In bigger leagues where they only play each other twice a year, each rivalry/grudge match becomes a real event with fans looking forward to it for months and the media building it up slowly - In Scotland it doesn't really matter because you could be feasibly seeing them 2 in the next few weeks anyway.

Intifada

Eirebear wrote: »

whereas there's less opportunity for that in Scotland.

Dunno about that, have you seen the SPL table lately :pac:

In Scotland it doesn't really matter because you could be feasibly seeing them 2 in the next few weeks anyway.

I'd disagree with that in the strongest possible terms tbh. For starters it was still pretty exceptional to be playing each other in quick succession, and I never felt it took anything away from it either. The fact our derby pissed all over anything down south (apart from quality of football) was testament to that.

That last season where we actually did play each other a load of times, the one with the "Old Firm Shame Game" (perfect example of why I don't like the term. Wasn't us that had 3 sent off!) and I don't remember any of the games losing their edge.

Eirebear

Intifada wrote: »

I'd disagree with that in the strongest possible terms tbh. For starters it was still pretty exceptional to be playing each other in quick succession, and I never felt it took anything away from it either. The fact our derby pissed all over anything down south (apart from quality of football) was testament to that.

That last season where we actually did play each other a load of times, the one with the "Old Firm Shame Game" (perfect example of why I don't like the term. Wasn't us that had 3 sent off!) and I don't remember any of the games losing their edge.

I'm not meaning in terms of Rangers/Celtic - that rivalry is strong already and i doubt either side would get bored if we played eachother 12 times a season.

I meant in terms of building up rivalries with other teams, the dominance held by the two teams over say, St. Johnstone meant that it was hard to get worked up for a game against them, especially when you played them 6 times that year.

Intifada

I think the rivalry between Celtic and Hearts is pretty strong. Could increase over the next few years depending on how they do when they're back up.

I do see your point. I don't like Killie fans, I didn't like Caley although that was mainly due to Butcher sending his players out to assault ours, I don't like Motherwell or Dundee FC either but I regard them all as a bit of an irrelevancy.

For all people give out about politics in Scottish football, I think it's a whole lot better than English clubs who 'hate' eachother despite often being the exact same people from the same place, who just wear different colour tops.

Eirebear

Intifada wrote: »

For all people give out about politics in Scottish football, I think it's a whole lot better than English clubs who 'hate' eachother despite often being the exact same people from the same place, who just wear different colour tops.

I'd disagree with you on that, for me Football and it's strange religious/political connections in Glasgow has been used pretty successfully by the media/politicians to create divides between ordinary working class people who have a hell of a lot more in common than not.

Intifada

Eirebear wrote: »

I'd disagree with you on that, for me Football and it's strange religious/political connections in Glasgow has been used pretty successfully by the media/politicians to create divides between ordinary working class people who have a hell of a lot more in common than not.

I'd argue that it is your mob who are by far the more reactionary when it comes to stuff like that. I think the values of most Celtic fans have always been traditionally working class and it's sad to see Rangers fans take the opposite view just because. I don't expect you to agree with that but it's genuinely how I've always interpreted it.

Eirebear

Intifada wrote: »

I'd argue that it is your mob who are by far the more reactionary when it comes to stuff like that. I think the values of Celtic fans have always been traditionally working class and it's sad to see Rangers fans take the opposite view just because. I don't expect you to agree with that but it's genuinely how I've always interpreted it.

Yer wrong.

To be fair though, you've just highlighted part of the issue - you see Rangers fans as "The Other", and the same goes for a fair percentage of fans of both clubs when the simple fact is that it's a ludicrous situation.
Glaswegian Rangers and Celtic fans have more in common than they don't, much like the immigration issue is used to great effect to divide working class communities, making them toothless and disorganised, so too is football in Glasgow.

Broxi_Bear_Eire

Intifada wrote: »

I'd argue that it is your mob who are by far the more reactionary when it comes to stuff like that. I think the values of most Celtic fans have always been traditionally working class and it's sad to see Rangers fans take the opposite view just because. I don't expect you to agree with that but it's genuinely how I've always interpreted it.

I really wonder where you get the idea that because Celtic fans have a large working class support we wouldn't it is utter nonsense. I also find it amusing that you believe Rangers fans will do the opposite of Celtic fans just because. It is amazing because I know many Rangers fans that think that about tic fans.
I truly despair that many in both sets of fans fall for this tripe.

Intifada

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

I really wonder where you get the idea that because Celtic fans have a large working class support we wouldn't it is utter nonsense.

Didn't say Rangers don't have working class fans, of course they do, I said Celtic fans were more traditionally working class. Worshipping the monarchy doesn't strike me as particularly working class, for one.

I also find it amusing that you believe Rangers fans will do the opposite of Celtic fans just because. It is amazing because I know many Rangers fans that think that about tic fans.

Were Rangers a staunchly British club before Celtic's formation?

bobmalooka

Eirebear wrote: »

Yer wrong.

To be fair though, you've just highlighted part of the issue - you see Rangers fans as "The Other", and the same goes for a fair percentage of fans of both clubs when the simple fact is that it's a ludicrous situation.
Glaswegian Rangers and Celtic fans have more in common than they don't, much like the immigration issue is used to great effect to divide working class communities, making them toothless and disorganised, so too is football in Glasgow.

The "old firm" is essentially an immigration divide, like in NI the sectarian element is as much a filter for identifying "the others" than about religion.

Jelle1880

Seems the board have a lot of issues with accepting loans from other parties, unless it's Mike Ashley who has lodges documents to get security over Ibrox and Murray Park for a new loan.

Broxi_Bear_Eire

Intifada wrote: »

Didn't say Rangers don't have working class fans, of course they do, I said Celtic fans were more traditionally working class. Worshipping the monarchy doesn't strike me as particularly working class, for one.


Were Rangers a staunchly British club before Celtic's formation?

Rangers in the early days were a club that saw themselves as British but you only have to look at the statistics of the population to see why. And sorry worshiping the monarchy what rubbish.
I will still disagree that Celtic fans are more traditionally working class I don't believe that at all.

Eirebear

Intifada wrote: »

Didn't say Rangers don't have working class fans, of course they do, I said Celtic fans were more traditionally working class. Worshipping the monarchy doesn't strike me as particularly working class, for one.

Ah c'mon man - The Monarchy thing, worldwide, is essentially a working class issue. It has to be to have any effect.
I think your confusing a nominal "Left" and anti-establishment ideas as being the working class, which sadly isn't the case in much of the UK.

bobmalooka wrote: »

The "old firm" is essentially an immigration divide, like in NI the sectarian element is as much a filter for identifying "the others" than about religion.

Possibly, but I don't think that tells the entire story to be honest. Of course Irish immigration added to issues (And to be fair, was capitalised on financially by both clubs) but i think in many respects it's developed further than that when you consider that the majority of people on both sides would now class themselves as Glaswegian.

(That said, Jim Murphy is really ramping up the "Irish" card at the moment in an attempt to win back voters that Labour lost during the referendum campaign, so maybe i'm being naive here.)

Intifada

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

Rangers in the early days were a club that saw themselves as British but you only have to look at the statistics of the population to see why.

What about the statistics explains it?