Munster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread II

P_1 · 28-02-2013 3:06pm

To be fair I think we all kinda knew that we were going to have some situation like this once those idiotic NIQ rules were announced.

CatFromHue · 28-02-2013 3:16pm

totallegend wrote: »

Question is though, why would Leinster get priority?

We asked first :cool:

CIARAN_BOYLE · 28-02-2013 3:20pm

totallegend wrote: »

Question is though, why would Leinster get priority?

Because Munster was aware that ROG was coming to an end of career for a long time while and should have a succession plan in place while while Leinster had Sexton's departure dropped on them when the IRFU failed to negotiate a contract with him.

Riskymove · 28-02-2013 4:44pm

Why would Munster need a NIQ player?

awec · 28-02-2013 4:51pm

Riskymove wrote: »

Why would Munster need a NIQ player?

Why would Leinster?

CatFromHue · 28-02-2013 4:52pm

If ROG does retire Munster will only have one Senior outhalf as JJ looks like he's going to be a 12.

Riskymove · 28-02-2013 4:55pm

awec wrote: »

Why would Leinster?

because they only have Madigan apart from academy

If ROG does retire Munster will only have one Senior outhalf as JJ looks like he's going to be a 12.

well I'd still count JJ as a squad outhalf

why can't Munster look to youth or to Ulster (where there seems to be competition)??

couldn't we try and get an IQ who is abroad?

totallegend · 28-02-2013 4:59pm

CatFromHue wrote: »

If ROG does retire Munster will only have one Senior outhalf as JJ looks like he's going to be a 12.

Think we're all jumping the gun on that one a bit.

On the NIQ out-half issue, let's say the IRFU say that "no, Leinster need the foreign guy more, they get the NIQ 10".

So ROG* stays on for one more year with Munster. That's a guy who is of no value to the national team depriving a young Irish guy of an opportunity to get game time.

Why is it OK to have Irish guys with contracts who are of no use to the national side but not foreign guys?

*Not having a go at ROG, just pointing out the stupidity of the IRFU rules. You could say the same for Leo Cullen; never going to play international rugby again yet there he is keeping Toner on the bench.

CIARAN_BOYLE · 28-02-2013 5:14pm

CatFromHue wrote: »

If ROG does retire Munster will only have one Senior outhalf as JJ looks like he's going to be a 12.

Deasy too unless Munster release him

Riskymove · 28-02-2013 5:19pm

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

Deasy too unless Munster release him

good point

I just dont get why both Munster and Leinster would "have to" get a NIQ outhalf

niether have one at the moment after all

CatFromHue · 28-02-2013 5:23pm

If ROG doesn't have a contract for next year it is feasible that he could retire.

If he does get a contract with Munster I doubt he'd be first choice and other than Keatley I'm not aware of any player ROG could be considered to be depriving of game time.

Is Deasy considered a Senior outhalf anymore though?

Just looking at his stats and he hasn't made a start all season and only made 3 starts last season. Even in 10/11 when Keatley wasn't with Munster he only managed 6 starts.

Podge_irl · 28-02-2013 5:24pm

Riskymove wrote: »

good point

I just dont get why both Munster and Leinster would "have to" get a NIQ outhalf

niether have one at the moment after all

Well they're both (potentially) losing their first choice outhalf.

The stupid thing is, I don't think either would be looking for a big name replacement. They both have reasonably young players to step up but could do with cover, especially if JJ is seen as a 12 for now. An NIQ wouldn't really be blocking Irish players in either province.

totallegend · 28-02-2013 5:25pm

Riskymove wrote: »

good point

I just dont get why both Munster and Leinster would "have to" get a NIQ outhalf

niether have one at the moment after all

Sexton is leaving, ROG is on a downward trajectory. We don't have Irish guys of sufficient quality to act as back-ups to Keatley and Madigan.

Riskymove · 28-02-2013 5:28pm

totallegend wrote: »

We don't have Irish guys of sufficient quality to act as back-ups to Keatley and Madigan.

well from a Munster perspective I think its a perfect opportunity to blood JJ and we have Deasy or maybe an academy player after that

isn't this what people are giving out to Kidney about?

let's give the younger lads some development time

as for other irish guys, what about Humphreys?

are there others abroad?

ed7890 · 28-02-2013 5:31pm

CatFromHue wrote: »

If ROG does retire Munster will only have one Senior outhalf as JJ looks like he's going to be a 12.

JJ is playing more at 12 at the moment, but he has less competition there. At 10 he's behind O'Gara getting gametime, and Keatley getting whatever he can. He's covered outhalf on the bench when ROG has been away. Penney has talked about how playing 12 is a good way to introduce young outhalfs to the senior set up, and I know JJ has said he prefers outhalf in the long run.

People are saying Deasy might be going next season. Probably the best for all parties.

That would leave Keatley as #1, JJ has backup. Then you have a couple of lads in the academy getting gametime in the B&I and filling in when they are needed. I think that's a pretty good set up. I dont think we need an NIQ outhalf.

CatFromHue · 28-02-2013 5:32pm

The worry about not bringing someone is if what if ROG does retire and then Keatley gets season ending injury in October.

Munster would be left with JJ and Deasy as their outhalves and together they don't have 10 starts for Munster between them for this season and last season.

ed7890 · 28-02-2013 5:40pm

CatFromHue wrote: »

The worry about not bringing someone is if what if ROG does retire and then Keatley gets season ending injury in October.

Munster would be left with JJ and Deasy as their outhalves and together they don't have 10 starts for Munster between them for this season and last season.

It wouldn't be ideal, but an injury to a starter in a specialist position never is. We'd also be boned this season if Murray got injured, or Botha. Worst case we bring in emergency cover like Racing did with Barkley, or Ulster did with Terblanche.

JJ would get his chance as well and if he stepped up we'd only want bench cover. Ulster took a punt on Paddy Jackson this year, and that went fairly well. There's really no cover behind him until you get to Olding.

Zzippy · 01-03-2013 1:00am

thomond2006 wrote: »

idiotic rules

Munster shouldn't be restricted because Jonny Sexton decided to move.

Chill man, you guys can have NOC...

irishbucsfan · 01-03-2013 1:02am

Munster should sign Andrew Goodman

CIARAN_BOYLE · 01-03-2013 1:06am

ed7890 wrote: »

It wouldn't be ideal, but an injury to a starter in a specialist position never is. We'd also be boned this season if Murray got injured, or Botha. Worst case we bring in emergency cover like Racing did with Barkley, or Ulster did with Terblanche.

JJ would get his chance as well and if he stepped up we'd only want bench cover. Ulster took a punt on Paddy Jackson this year, and that went fairly well. There's really no cover behind him until you get to Olding.

Pienaar Wallace NOC Olding

Sure NOC is poor and Pienaar and Wallace are better in other positions but they do have significant amount of experience at 10 available

Foxtrol · 01-03-2013 1:21am

TBH I am the first to point out ROG's waining abilities at international level but it might not be the end of the world to see him kept on by Munster for another year as pure backup/coaching role. That would be only with the caveat that he fully buys in to this role which I'd have major doubts about his ability to accept.

awec · 01-03-2013 2:16am

You can sign NOC if you want like...

durkadurka · 01-03-2013 11:13am

Munster have tweeted their team a bit early

@Munsterrugby: Munster XV:Jones;Howlett,Laulala,Downey, Hurley;ROG,Sheridan;Kilcoyne,Varley, Archer; Nagle, Holland;Butler,O’Donnell, Coughlan. #MunOsp

@Munsterrugby: Replacements: M Sherry, W du Preez, BJ Botha, D Foley, S Dougall, D Williams, I Keatley, I Dineen. #MunOsp

Who's Sheridan? That's a new name for me.

Deano7788 · 01-03-2013 11:23am

durkadurka wrote: »

Munster have tweeted their team a bit early

@Munsterrugby: Munster XV:Jones;Howlett,Laulala,Downey, Hurley;ROG,Sheridan;Kilcoyne,Varley, Archer; Nagle, Holland;Butler,O’Donnell, Coughlan. #MunOsp

@Munsterrugby: Replacements: M Sherry, W du Preez, BJ Botha, D Foley, S Dougall, D Williams, I Keatley, I Dineen. #MunOsp

Who's Sheridan? That's a new name for me.

Cathal Sheridan. He came up through the academy and signed a development contract last summer. He plays for Bohs in the AIL as well

jm08 · 01-03-2013 11:24am

durkadurka wrote: »

Munster have tweeted their team a bit early

@Munsterrugby: Munster XV:Jones;Howlett,Laulala,Downey, Hurley;ROG,Sheridan;Kilcoyne,Varley, Archer; Nagle, Holland;Butler,O’Donnell, Coughlan. #MunOsp

@Munsterrugby: Replacements: M Sherry, W du Preez, BJ Botha, D Foley, S Dougall, D Williams, I Keatley, I Dineen. #MunOsp

Who's Sheridan? That's a new name for me.

Ginger scrumhalf - Munster academy - plays for UL Bohs (with JJ).

ormond lad · 01-03-2013 11:25am

durkadurka wrote: »

Munster have tweeted their team a bit early

@Munsterrugby: Munster XV:Jones;Howlett,Laulala,Downey, Hurley;ROG,Sheridan;Kilcoyne,Varley, Archer; Nagle, Holland;Butler,O’Donnell, Coughlan. #MunOsp

@Munsterrugby: Replacements: M Sherry, W du Preez, BJ Botha, D Foley, S Dougall, D Williams, I Keatley, I Dineen. #MunOsp

Who's Sheridan? That's a new name for me.

Cathal Sheridan. From Sligo orig, plays with Bohs and is on a development contract

Otacon · 01-03-2013 11:34am

Just in case you haven't been told, it's Cathal Sheridan.

darragh_haven · 01-03-2013 12:04pm

awec wrote: »

You can sign NOC if you want like...

Im not too up to date on these things... but who is NOC

darragh_haven · 01-03-2013 12:06pm

jm08 wrote: »

Ginger scrumhalf - Munster academy - plays for UL Bohs (with JJ).

Oh... he's ginger... :rolleyes:

Riskymove · 01-03-2013 12:12pm

darragh_haven wrote: »

Im not too up to date on these things... but who is NOC

Niall O'Connor Connacht outhalf

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