Leinster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread II

jm08

.ak wrote: »

Wait, are you saying it's only opinion that this Leinster team is the best in European history?

Depends on the criteria you are using.

Its Toulouse if you base it on no. of games won/lost in the history of the competition.

Its Toulouse if you base it on no. of cups won in the history of the competition.

If its the no. of cup wins in a 4 year period, its Leinster.

.ak

jm08 wrote: »

Depends on the criteria you are using.

Its Toulouse if you base it on no. of games won/lost in the history of the competition.

Its Toulouse if you base it on no. of cups won in the history of the competiiton.

Its its the no. of cup wins in a 4 year period, its Leinster.

No, I said this team. That's not pertinent here - we're talking about a group of players.

It's fact that this Leinster team is the best team in European history.

totallegend

F**k's sake.

CIARAN_BOYLE

jm08 wrote: »

Depends on the criteria you are using.

Its Toulouse if you base it on no. of games won/lost in the history of the competition.

Its Toulouse if you base it on no. of cups won in the history of the competition.

Its its the no. of cup wins in a 4 year period, its Leinster.

I think he used the term this Leinster team are the best in European history rather than Leinster are the best team in European history

Honey-ec

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

Especially since his family (wife and kid/kids?) are settled in dublin.

Plus his wife is American. Munster is hardly any nearer her family.

Quint2010

jm08 wrote: »

Depends on the criteria you are using.

Its Toulouse if you base it on no. of games won/lost in the history of the competition.

Its Toulouse if you base it on no. of cups won in the history of the competition.

Its its the no. of cup wins in a 4 year period, its Leinster.

Think he said "team" as opposed to "club". Leinster have the best "team" in the history of the HC, Toulouse have been the best "club. Munster are neither.

Deano7788

Quint2010 wrote: »

Think he said "team" as opposed to "club". Leinster have the best "team" in the history of the HC, Toulouse have been the best "club. Munster are neither.

No, but we have probably provided the most drama :pac:. Seriously, though, why are ye even bothering anymore? This always goes the same way, i.e. nowhere.

ssaye

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWtCittJyr0

GerM

Ross doesn't want to leave. He wants to finish his career at Leinster. He has said in the past he sees Leinster as his home. The arrival of Bent and the impact he made in his brief Irish career to date, however, have made Ross's position less valuable and the IRFU are negotiating accordingly. I would be very surprised if Ross left Leinster though for what is very likely to be his last ever contract. There isn't a huge amount of love for Munster with Ross. They didn't want him first time around and didn't want him second time around. They made an inquiry the third time in 2011 which wasn't entertained; Ross told the IRFU he wanted to stay put.

I'm not even too sure that Munster would be interested in getting a guy who will be 34 next season at this point.

jm08

Quint2010 wrote: »

Think he said "team" as opposed to "club". Leinster have the best "team" in the history of the HC, Toulouse have been the best "club. Munster are neither.

But its wasn't the same group of players for the 3 wins. Leinster even had two different coaching teams.

Players to have won 3 H Cups are:
BOD, D'Arcy, Nacewa, Sexton, Healy, Cullen, Jennings & Heaslip.

I never claimed that Munster were the best of anything.

justsomebloke

ssaye wrote: »

YOUTUBE Talking heads - road to no where /YOUTUBE

I was going to go with the magic roundabout theme myself but I see where you are going.

eoferrall

jm08 wrote: »

But its wasn't the same group of players for the 3 wins. Leinster even had two different coaching teams.

Players to have won 3 H Cups are:
BOD, D'Arcy, Nacewa, Sexton, Healy, Cullen, Jennings & Heaslip.

I never claimed that Munster were the best of anything.

Over half the team, and the spine of the team. if you take only the last two the numbers jump up. there was a large enough clear out between 2009 and 2011.

GerM

jm08 wrote: »

BOD, D'Arcy, Nacewa, Sexton, Healy, Cullen, Jennings & Heaslip.

I could have sworn Fitzgerald, Toner, Kearney and SOB have won the HEC three times. I must be mistaken.

jm08

GerM wrote: »

Ross doesn't want to leave. He wants to finish his career at Leinster. He has said in the past he sees Leinster as his home. The arrival of Bent and the impact he made in his brief Irish career to date, however, have made Ross's position less valuable and the IRFU are negotiating accordingly. I would be very surprised if Ross left Leinster though for what is very likely to be his last ever contract. There isn't a huge amount of love for Munster with Ross. They didn't want him first time around and didn't want him second time around. They made an inquiry the third time in 2011 which wasn't entertained; Ross told the IRFU he wanted to stay put.

I'm not even too sure that Munster would be interested in getting a guy who will be 34 next season at this point.

Sensible post. I can't see Munster wanting Ross either because of his age. Keeping BJ would be a much better plan because it would allow Munster to give the younger props. another year or so to develop - as it is, they are getting plenty of gametime with BJ there.

Tox56

jm08 wrote: »

But its wasn't the same group of players for the 3 wins. Leinster even had two different coaching teams.

Players to have won 3 H Cups are:
BOD, D'Arcy, Nacewa, Sexton, Healy, Cullen, Jennings & Heaslip.

I never claimed that Munster were the best of anything.

That's half the team for god sake!

In any case, O'Brien and Toner have 3 H Cup winners medals too. And that's not including Rob Kearney, Luke Fitzgerald and a few more who were part of the team for those 3 years but injured for one of the wins.

totallegend

eoferrall wrote: »

Over half the team, and the spine of the team. if you take only the last two the numbers jump up. there was a large enough clear out between 2009 and 2011.

No, it's all bollocks.

Luke Fitzgerald was a key figure in all three wins, Rob Kearney the same, Sean O'Brien was on the bench for the 09 final and played in other two, Toner was there in 09 as well.

Lads, please don't indulge this sh*te any longer.

ssaye

Early indications for Sunday weather in Clermont

http://www.accuweather.com/en/fr/clermont-ferrand/132153/month/132153?monyr=12/01/2012

http://fr.weather.com/weather/10day-Clermont-Ferrand-FRXX0120

Clermont -4 to -2 to 2/3 degrees dry on Sunday

CIARAN_BOYLE

GerM wrote: »

I could have sworn Fitzgerald, Toner, Kearney and SOB have won the HEC three times. I must be mistaken.

Kearney didn't feature in 2011 due to injury. O'Brien and Toner were unused subs in 09 so they doesn't count. Fitz doesn't count because he was injured for the final in 2012

At least that's JMs point of view

Podge_irl

Toner has three HEC medals. Thereby making him a better lock than POC.

As long as we're having idiotic conversations I thought I'd play along.

Tox56

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

Kearney didn't feature in 2011 due to injury. O'Brien and Toner were unused subs in 09 so they doesn't count. Fitz doesn't count because he was injured for the final in 2012

At least that's JMs point of view

This shows who got the medals:

http://www.ercrugby.com/eng/matchcentre/players_statistics_archive.php?player=20299&includeref=dynamic

Apparently Fitz and Kearney have 2, and SOB and Toner have 3. I don't know how accurate it is but that's the official ERC site.

Glass Prison 1214

GerM wrote: »

I could have sworn Fitzgerald, Toner, Kearney and SOB have won the HEC three times. I must be mistaken.

You are correct they all have won three aswell, so the list of players who have won three is Healy, Toner, Cullen, Jennings, Heaslip, O'Brien, Sexton, D'Arcy, BOD, Fitzgerald, Nacewa, Kearney, McFadden. Thats enough players to be classified as a team.

CIARAN_BOYLE

Tox56 wrote: »

This shows who got the medals:

http://www.ercrugby.com/eng/matchcentre/players_statistics_archive.php?player=20299&includeref=dynamic

Apparently Fitz and Kearney have 2, and SOB and Toner have 3. I don't know how accurate it is but that's the official ERC site.

Everyone who features at any stage of the campaign gets medals (Clint Newland has one) taht just shows who makes the match day 23 for the final

davidpfitz

tolosenc wrote: »

If Ross does go to Munster, can we get Radge as part of the deal. For the lulz.

That's be great - bring him in, and instantly retire him.

jm08

GerM wrote: »

I could have sworn Fitzgerald, Toner, Kearney and SOB have won the HEC three times. I must be mistaken.

Toner, O'Brien, S Keogh & Dempsey unused subs against Leicester.
Kearney missed the Northampton came through injury.
Luke Fitz - injured for last year against Ulster.

Fireball07

Fwiw, I'd much rather have Botha than Ross.


But if we're not allowed have a NIQ, we are in deep shít. It looks like Leinster have 4-5 good THs (some of them are a lot younger, Ross won't be around forever). I wouldn't be surprised to see one of them leave...however, I would say Hagan would be the most likely to move tbqh. He'd be almost guaranteed a starting spot with Munster while he is at best 3rd choice at Leinster, with both Moore and Furlong looking to overtake him.

ssaye

Fireball07 wrote: »

Fwiw, I'd much rather have Botha than Ross.


But if we're not allowed have a NIQ, we are in deep shít. It looks like Leinster have 4-5 good THs (some of them are a lot younger, Ross won't be around forever). I wouldn't be surprised to see one of them leave...however, I would say Hagan would be the most likely to move tbqh. He'd be almost guaranteed a starting spot with Munster while he is at best 3rd choice at Leinster, with both Moore and Furlong looking to overtake him.

Be funny if both Hagan and Carr gone from Leinster next year. Possible.

Hagan has improved under good coaching. Carr has regressed.

Fireball07

ssaye wrote: »

Be funny if both Hagan and Carr gone from Leinster next year. Possible.

Hagan has improved under good coaching. Carr has regressed.

But Hagan's improvement is not as much as people would have hoped when he first joined, I think.

As for Carr, I think it's just his flaws are more exposed when surrounded by better players. And I think he might be lacking a bit of confidence too.

ssaye

Fireball07 wrote: »

But Hagan's improvement is not as much as people would have hoped when he first joined, I think.

As for Carr, I think it's just his flaws are more exposed when surrounded by better players. And I think he might be lacking a bit of confidence too.

Absolutely, he was frustrating in many games but I think he is better than years ago, carr is not

Tox56

Fireball07 wrote: »

But Hagan's improvement is not as much as people would have hoped when he first joined, I think.

As for Carr, I think it's just his flaws are more exposed when surrounded by better players. And I think he might be lacking a bit of confidence too.

I had the first season written off when you realise how much conditioning he needed, he wouldn't be the first tighthead to arrive at Leinster needing to improve his fitness.

I see this as his first full season and I think he has been decent enough. I don't know if he's good enough to improve to the level of Ross, but I haven't been overly disappointed in his progress. From what I've seen not all Leinster fans think the same though.

jm08

Tox56 wrote: »

That's half the team for god sake!

OK then - Leinster had the best half of a team in the history of the Heineken Cup!