Ferrybank being turned into halting site

somahoney74

Is anybody else from Ferrybank sick of Kilkenny County Council housing travellers in private housing estates in Ferrybank. It's disgraceful the way the residents of the abbey road area are being subjected to travellers turning the area into a halting site. If I parked up a caravan on the side of the road the guards and the council wouldn't be long in moving me. Everybody in the area should be complaining to the housing office in Kilkenny co co about it, and especially to Phil Hogans office as he is the minister responsible.

Sully

Should this not be in the Kilkenny forum?!

somahoney74

Sully wrote: »

Should this not be in the Kilkenny forum?!

Is Ferrybank not part of Waterford City, or did I miss the handover??

Local_Chap

Ferrybank is in Kilkenny

Sully

somahoney74 wrote: »

Is Ferrybank not part of Waterford City, or did I miss the handover??

Well you mentioned Kilkenny Co. Co. a few times so I just assumed if they were involved its in their back yard. Not Waterford. Plus a chunk of Ferrybank is in Kilkenny.

abouttobebanned

Let's be honest here...most people on the KK forum don't even know what a "ferrybank" is.

That large chunk of ferrybank you're talking about, overlooks Waterford City. If this was a forum for applying for planning permission, I'd be inclined to agree with ya...however, a larger percentage of this forum, including me, are from ferrybank and would also consider themselves to be Waterford people.

Sully

abouttobebanned wrote: »

Let's be honest here...most people on the KK forum don't even know what a "ferrybank" is.

That large chunk of ferrybank you're talking about, overlooks Waterford City. If this was a forum for applying for planning permission, I'd be inclined to agree with ya...however, a larger percentage of this forum, including me, are from ferrybank and would also consider themselves to be Waterford people.

But technically, your a Kilkenny man.

abouttobebanned

Up da cats!

ziedth

Shhhhh I don't live in the city either.......

calvin_zola

somahoney74 wrote: »

and especially to Phil Hogans office as he is the minister responsible.

wonder what kind of welcome he would expect from them... considering they are in Kilkenny like

somahoney74

calvin_zola wrote: »

somahoney74 wrote: »

and especially to Phil Hogans office as he is the minister responsible.

wonder what kind of welcome he would expect from them... considering they are in Kilkenny like

My whole point is Kilkenny county council are delighted to be housing all these travellers in Ferrybank, as far as they are concerned its best of both worlds, they look like they are doing a great job at housing travellers. As far as they ate concerned Ferrybank is in Waterford city, they don't provide any services whatsoever and we, the residents who have paid good money for our homes, in private estates, are left high and dry, with no hope of ever selling them.

Ledger

ziedth wrote: »

Shhhhh I don't live in the city either.......

Sh*te, there onto us! :eek:

Professey Chin

somahoney74 wrote: »

My whole point is Kilkenny county council are delighted to be housing all these travellers in Ferrybank, as far as they are concerned its best of both worlds, they look like they are doing a great job at housing travellers. As far as they ate concerned Ferrybank is in Waterford city, they don't provide any services whatsoever and we, the residents who have paid good money for our homes, in private estates, are left high and dry, with no hope of ever selling them.

Would explain why more and more seem to be appearing around the city.
/goes to burn down Kilkenny CoCo offices

fricatus

somahoney74 wrote: »

My whole point is Kilkenny county council are delighted to be housing all these travellers in Ferrybank, as far as they are concerned its best of both worlds, they look like they are doing a great job at housing travellers. As far as they ate concerned Ferrybank is in Waterford city, they don't provide any services whatsoever and we, the residents who have paid good money for our homes, in private estates, are left high and dry, with no hope of ever selling them.

I've always thought the appropriate solution to the Waterford-Kilkenny border "dispute"* was to actually ask the people who live in the affected area!

* This is the ridiculous way I've heard this referred to, in a long line of ridiculous language used to describe something that in other countries would simply be a routine local-authority boundary revision, necessitated by population growth.

wmpdd3

I dont know of any travellers actually living in houses on the abbey road. The caravans are illegally parked in Christendom and like last year a few other caravans are parked on the road for the summer.

The residents of Christendom had the extra caravans removed last year, no help from any co. council.

somahoney74

wmpdd3 wrote: »

I dont know of any travellers actually living in houses on the abbey road. The caravans are illegally parked in Christendom and like last year a few other caravans are parked on the road for the summer.

The residents of Christendom had the extra caravans removed last year, no help from any co. council.

There are numerous members of the same family housed in Christendom Fiodh Mor and Leaca Ard. One family with 9 children were housed in a 3 bed semi. As the accommodation was unsuitable Kilkenny co co purchased the house next door also and are now in the process of joining both houses together. They now have the largest house in the whole of Ferrybank, in a private housing estate. Provided courtesy of the taxpayer. The caravans on the abbey road are members of the same family also looking for the same generosity from Kilkenny coco. The caravans were only removed last year, after contact was made with the Taoiseach and phil hogans office detailing Kilkenny coco's failure to have them removed. These families should be housed in council owned social housing estates not privately owned housing estates.

ex_infantry man

ur missing the point, new housing estates have to have a percentage of houses allocated for social housing so technically it aint a private housing estate

somahoney74

ex_infantry man wrote: »

ur missing the point, new housing estates have to have a percentage of houses allocated for social housing so technically it aint a private housing estate

Kilkenny County Council received over 7 million in payments from the developers of the estates as per planning law, to avoid having to include social housing within these estates, the council was supposed to build their own social housing with this money. Kilkenny County Council built no housing and failed to use any of the money in this area. No parks, playgrounds etc.
Houses were sold in these estates with the understanding that social housing wasnt included. Kilkenny coco are purchasing these houses privately with a special fund especially for travellers. These are the only people being housed.

Finnbar01

ex_infantry man wrote: »

ur missing the point, new housing estates have to have a percentage of houses allocated for social housing so technically it aint a private housing estate

I don't think that's correct. The developer of the private housing state could pay money to the council in lieu of social housing.*

* I think anyways.

ETA: I see Soma beat me too it.

Aquos76

ziedth wrote: »

Shhhhh I don't live in the city either.......

Nor do I :-)

Media999

Travellers are free to rent houses anywhere they like and get rent allowance just like the settled people. Its not always the councils fault when they move into an estate.

daenerysstormborn3

Unfortunately, this is life. You buying or renting a house does not secure who your neighbours will be.

Nypd

Kk co.c seem to be a very lax disorganised bunch, who seem to see ferrybank as some sort of experiment, as long as its not on their door step they don't seem to care.
Push out the boundaries and leave WCC take control, include Tramore aswell it's really looking run down out there.

thomasm

It’s not just the abbey road they are doing this, they have housed 2 families in the Fairways on the Rockshire Road and more up on the estate on the top of the same road opposite Rosario Nursing home. The also spent 150k on renovating a house in Kilmacow for another family which was subsequently burnt down as they were not wanted in the area.

Kilkenny county council dont give a damn about Ferrybank and see it as a dumping ground for their problems and whatever quotas they must be seen to fill. I have also been told that travelers are likely to win this case for ethnic minority status which means that the would have to be provided with additional services consistent with their culture, hopefully this does not means stables being built for them !!!

thomasm

wmpdd3 wrote: »

I dont know of any travellers actually living in houses on the abbey road. The caravans are illegally parked in Christendom and like last year a few other caravans are parked on the road for the summer.

The residents of Christendom had the extra caravans removed last year, no help from any co. council.

There are 3 familes in Christendom and 2 in Fiodh Mor that I know of.

thomasm

somahoney74 wrote: »

Kilkenny County Council received over 7 million in payments from the developers of the estates as per planning law, to avoid having to include social housing within these estates, the council was supposed to build their own social housing with this money. Kilkenny County Council built no housing and failed to use any of the money in this area. No parks, playgrounds etc.
Houses were sold in these estates with the understanding that social housing wasnt included. Kilkenny coco are purchasing these houses privately with a special fund especially for travellers. These are the only people being housed.

This is the worst part of it all, on top of what negative equity someone may have after the market crashed your house has zero value if they move in near you

Aquos76

thomasm wrote: »

It’s not just the abbey road they are doing this, they have housed 2 families in the Fairways on the Rockshire Road, !!!

Actually, it was just the one house that was occupied in The Fairways, and that was a private rental agreement between the traveller family and the landlord. They could well have been two families living within that property ok.

They have since been evicted via a court order and the property is actually in the process of been cleaned up to be put back on the rental market at present.

thomasm

Aquos76 wrote: »

Actually, it was just the one house that was occupied in The Fairways, and that was a private rental agreement between the traveller family and the landlord. They could well have been two families living within that property ok.

They have since been evicted via a court order and the property is actually in the process of been cleaned up to be put back on the rental market at present.

I was pretty sure there were two houses from talking to friends who live there but you may well be correct

ikeano29

And have any of these families in ferrybank contributed to any of the anti-social behavior going on around or is it just you don't like them as neighbours?

abouttobebanned

They're forever making you tube videos in their gardens and it's very unsettling.

Finnbar01

abouttobebanned wrote: »

They're forever making you tube videos in their gardens and it's very unsettling.

What sort of shenigans are they getting up to that makes it unsettling?

thomasm

ikeano29 wrote: »

And have any of these families in ferrybank contributed to any of the anti-social behavior going on around or is it just you don't like them as neighbours?

Have a look at the dog stealing thread for a start

achiman

ikeano29 wrote: »

And have any of these families in ferrybank contributed to any of the anti-social behavior going on around or is it just you don't like them as neighbours?

yes your right they just get up have their breakfast and go to work just like the rest of us :rolleyes:

jluv

somahoney74 wrote: »

Kilkenny County Council received over 7 million in payments from the developers of the estates as per planning law, to avoid having to include social housing within these estates, the council was supposed to build their own social housing with this money. Kilkenny County Council built no housing and failed to use any of the money in this area. No parks, playgrounds etc.
Houses were sold in these estates with the understanding that social housing wasnt included. Kilkenny coco are purchasing these houses privately with a special fund especially for travellers. These are the only people being housed.

KK Co Council surely have a lot of questions to be answered. The 7 million they recieved here in addition to development fees gained from independant builders and whatever else building that occured,and now we have to "fund local authorities".Account for this money me thinks:mad:

Professey Chin

jluv wrote: »

KK Co Council surely have a lot of questions to be answered. The 7 million they recieved here in addition to development fees gained from independant builders and whatever else building that occured,and now we have to "fund local authorities".Account for this money me thinks:mad:

Don't see that being an easy thing to get.
Politics in this country really loves the Misc section of account pages

Kina

The first family of travellers were moved by the Gardai around the weekend. They returned a day later, and the following day, two more caravans showed up. I had hoped it was for a fabulous Gypsy wedding, but alas, they seem to have taken up residency on the Abbey Road. The first family didn't really put in or out on anyone in fairness, apart from being subjected to watching one guy wash himself in the rain with a tea towel at about 8 am one day, they were alright.

I am pretty sick of seeing caravans pop up wherever some travellers like. I respect that it's a different way of life, but at the end of the day, if your desire is to be free and mobile, why park up smack bang in the middle of residential estates? The Guards are incredibly intimidated and do very little.

Every culture/ enthnicity has their own traditions and way of life. However, everyone needs to adapt and roll with the times. Stopping horse and trap races on the dual carraigeway is not defying your tradition, it's preventing accidents and animal cruelty. You have to abide by the law and have respect for the community you live in. I'm not suggesting that all settled people do, of course not. You can't simply pull out a racism card when you're caught doing something against the law or which endangers lives. It's not because you're a traveller, it's because you're a disrespectful as*hole with zero respect.

Rant over.

tobey

they broke two steaks in the green that prevented them from going where they went, surley thats criminal damage. everytime i walk down the hill now one of them has a comment or is begging for money. they stopped me in town before telling me they needed money to go and see there mother whos in hospital whos dieing, they've no money for petrol but drive a 11 toyota the dirty travscum.

Kina

That's disgraceful. I want to say I accept them, and they're fine, but I have never had a positive or pleasant experience in dealing with a traveller. I remember in school we had to do a project on socially disadvantaged groups, and some of us were assigned a study of the travelling community. I genuinely really tried to get it, or say "oh they're not all bad", but I've accepted through experience that I wouldn't trust them as far as I could throw them. I worked in retail for years, and the stealing, lack of hygeine, attitude etc was vile. My step-dad is a taxi driver and has to deal with them ripping him off and threatening him a lot. The previous set of travellers used to lock their dog in the boot of their car overnight too, which I thought was very cruel. Who do we contact to get rid of them?

Potential-Monke

The problem here is responsibility. When travellers pull in on the side of the road there has to be a complaint from the owners if the land they are on. If it's council owned, there is a procedure in place which involves strict protocol and takes time (to make sure the travellers can't sue for racism afterwards). Once the managerial person decides that they are trespassing, an order is made and served on them which requires them to leave within 24 hours. For Ferrybank, the issue is getting someone from Kilkenny or Waterford Co Co to make that decision, as the person who does it could very well be putting their job on the line.

Now, if it's a private estate, then the written complaint has to come from the owners of the estate, which you can imagine can be very hard to track down. The Gardai cannot do anything until a written complaint is received, and even after getting that there us a numbers issue, that being that thrre needs to be a high number of Gardai present at the removal of said travellers, which can be a logistical nightmare depending on the day/time.

What needs to happen is that some overpaid muppet needs to make a motion in the Dail to make new regulations which outright ban travellers from parking up where they want. But none of them have the brains, balls or bother about them to do it, for fear of a racial attack.

Personally, I blame Pavee Point and human rights activists.

Professey Chin

Lobby groups in general really need to fcuk off a cliff for themselves

thomasm

Potential-Monke wrote: »

The problem here is responsibility. When travellers pull in on the side of the road there has to be a complaint from the owners if the land they are on. If it's council owned, there is a procedure in place which involves strict protocol and takes time (to make sure the travellers can't sue for racism afterwards). Once the managerial person decides that they are trespassing, an order is made and served on them which requires them to leave within 24 hours. For Ferrybank, the issue is getting someone from Kilkenny or Waterford Co Co to make that decision, as the person who does it could very well be putting their job on the line.

Now, if it's a private estate, then the written complaint has to come from the owners of the estate, which you can imagine can be very hard to track down. The Gardai cannot do anything until a written complaint is received, and even after getting that there us a numbers issue, that being that thrre needs to be a high number of Gardai present at the removal of said travellers, which can be a logistical nightmare depending on the day/time.

What needs to happen is that some overpaid muppet needs to make a motion in the Dail to make new regulations which outright ban travellers from parking up where they want. But none of them have the brains, balls or bother about them to do it, for fear of a racial attack.

Personally, I blame Pavee Point and human rights activists.

Does on order to get them removed not have to come via a court order. I always thought that was the reason for the delays. Would be kinda annoyed to hear it was administration/bureaucracy issue left these guys roadside for so long

fozz10

ikeano29 wrote: »

And have any of these families in ferrybank contributed to any of the anti-social behavior going on around or is it just you don't like them as neighbours?

i have relation that lives there.you have know f**kin idea what went on for the 8 months they harassed the people in the fairways. dumping rubbish on side of the road,knockin on every door in the street 7&8 times a day lookin for everything and anything,blocking in several houses daily with the 6r7 big cars that were there daily,threatened several people some scared to leave there house.the houses near them had there blinds closed all evening when youd drive past to pretend they werent home,and beating each other up on the street in daylight,guards called daily, posting my opinion on them would probably get me banned. they also urinated and worse in the garden. and the house is being gutted now cause its ruined. neighbours you call them? ha laughable

Aquos76

fozz10 wrote: »

i have relation that lives there.you have know f**kin idea what went on for the 8 months they harassed the people in the fairways. dumping rubbish on side of the road,knockin on every door in the street 7&8 times a day lookin for everything and anything,blocking in several houses daily with the 6r7 big cars that were there daily,threatened several people some scared to leave there house.the houses near them had there blinds closed all evening when youd drive past to pretend they werent home,and beating each other up on the street in daylight,guards called daily, posting my opinion on them would probably get me banned. they also urinated and worse in the garden. and the house is being gutted now cause its ruined. neighbours you call them? ha laughable

That's a very accurate account of what we had to put up with alright, however, those living on either side of them had to put up the most.

spankmemunkey

This should be posted in the what makes waterford the best county in Ireland to live in i suppose?

fozz10

im pretty sure its a countrywide problem not just waterford,the fairways is one of the nicest,quietest estates around and has been for years and thanks to those 'people' gone it is again.

marlin vs

Sully wrote: »

Should this not be in the Kilkenny forum?!

Only when it suit's them.I actually thought Ferrybank was a halting site.

Aquos76

marlin vs wrote: »

Only when it suit's them.I actually thought Ferrybank was a halting site.

Very intelligent post mate, "NOT" which has earned you an infraction, if you've nothing decent to post, don't bother posting anything at all.

marlin vs

Aquos76 wrote: »

Very intelligent post mate, which has earned you an infraction, if you've nothing decent to post, don't bother posting anything at all.

If it's intelligent,why the infraction?mate.And what does an infraction entail, and im not being smart its an honest question.

Aquos76

Obviously I left out the "Not" Regarding your infraction, have a read of this thread,

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=77808121

marlin vs

Aquos76 wrote: »

Obviously I left out the "Not" Regarding your infraction, have a read of this thread,

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=77808121

Not a bother looks like I hit on a sensitive note maybe I should have put a smiley behind my post as it was done in jest, especially when im from Ferrybank.

Aquos76

marlin vs wrote: »

Not a bother looks like I hit on a sensitive note maybe I should have put a smiley behind my post as it was done in jest, especially when im from Ferrybank.

Well the absence of that smiley would certainly have made a difference. I just read it and took it at face value that you were having a dig at Ferrybank and the people living over there.