Irish Palestine Solidarity Campaign

Wild Bill

Actually it appears there are 239 Irish artists boycotting the Entity!

http://www.ipsc.ie/cultural-boycott/ipsc-irish-artists-pledge-to-boycott-israel#1

And the number is growing by the day.

Wild Bill

The Israeli wrote: »

but not a single possible solution. I thought that an organization serious like that, might think of some...

The Zionist Entity doesn't have a single possible solution either!

Does that imply it isn't a serious organisation?

Any comments on the boycott (y'know, what this thread is about) btw?

The Israeli

Wild Bill wrote: »

Actually it appears there are 239 Irish artists boycotting the Entity!

http://www.ipsc.ie/cultural-boycott/ipsc-irish-artists-pledge-to-boycott-israel#1

And the number is growing by the day.

At least the Irish dance troops not.
Between 2010-2012 we had: Lord of the dance, Riverdance, The spirit of the dance (twice).
Also Bono was here last month.

The Israeli

Wild Bill wrote: »

The Zionist Entity doesn't have a single possible solution either!

Does that imply it isn't a serious organisation?

Any comments on the boycott (y'know, what this thread is about) btw?

The Zionist Entity ?


Akhmadinijad and Hamas talk like that..
Peace with you...

From the recent years - http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/09/12/opinion/mapping-mideast-peace.html
There were more. I won't look for them for you because it seems like a great waste of time.

Wild Bill

The Israeli wrote: »

Also Bono was here last month.

Bono? :pac::pac::pac:

wes

The Israeli wrote: »

Nope, it's not that.. They have masses of materials against Israel, but not a single possible solution. I thought that an organization serious like that, might think of some...

You are now being deliberately very silly. That paragraph is very clear on what the solution is, but you have chosen to pretend it doesn't offer one. Just like you have chosen to smear the organization, without a shred of proof. It really doesn't matter a damn what the organization stands for, as you have made your mind up, and are at the ready to spew your nonsense and fiction.

The Israeli wrote: »

Why am I saying that.. I can't find the video of that senior official of one of the campaigns but he states that even if they declared for the recognition of Israel, it would have seriously divided the movement. LOL

Until you can produce such a video, I will consider this another lie, and smear attempt. For one you can't name the person who said it, nor the campaign (so the group you are talking about may not even be the IPSC, but it not like something simple like that matter to you or anything), or provide this so called video. Also, this isn't the first time, you have made a claim, without evidence. The only conclusion is that it is a lie, and in fact the same goes for many other similar post from you in this thread.

Also, i pointed out what they consider a solution. Why you have chose to pretend it isn't one, is simple beyond me, but then you entire criticism of the group has been nothing but a rather desperate fiction. Making up stuff in a desperate attempt to smear the organization.

The Israeli wrote: »

But I wouldn't mind seeing their solution, anyway.

It was already provided. You would rather peddle more fiction, and ignore anything that show your world view to be incorrect.

Now here is the quote again:

From http://www.ipsc.ie/about/aims

To promote engagement by the Irish Government, the political institutions in the North and the European Union for a just and equitable settlement based on the full and unequivocal implementation of international law.

Notice the following " a just and equitable settlement based on the full and unequivocal implementation of international law.", seem pretty clear there preferred solution is one based on International law. Now seeing as how very clear the language being used is. I find it nothing short of amazing that you would deny a very simple and basic fact, but then again you have essentially been smearing the organization with lie after lie, so it no surprise that you have issue with facts.

So now we are on page 27, and no proof of any "venom" from the IPSC, and in fact more claims (well deliberate lies from a single poster, who is clearly trying desperately to smear the group) have been made without proof against them.

galwayrush

Wild Bill wrote: »

Bono? :pac::pac::pac:

Quite famous.
I didn't recognise most of the names on the list though.

VALIS

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/european-union-to-slam-israel-s-actions-in-west-bank.premium-1.429863

I just read this and I think it offers a salient illustration that there is some recognition in the EU that Israel needs to improve its ''efforts'' towards making peace and respect the Palestinians' rights.

It is also telling that Israel has tried to shirk its responsibility and block the resolution and shows a lack of willingness to engage substantially.

Zebra3

The Israeli wrote: »

Also Bono was here last month.

Wow!!!! :rolleyes:

hungrypig

The Israeli wrote: »

At least the Irish dance troops not.
Between 2010-2012 we had: Lord of the dance, Riverdance, The spirit of the dance (twice).
Also Bono was here last month.

was this a punishment for ethnic cleansing

lividduck

Wild Bill wrote: »

Actually it appears there are 239 Irish artists boycotting the Entity!

http://www.ipsc.ie/cultural-boycott/ipsc-irish-artists-pledge-to-boycott-israel#1

And the number is growing by the day.

Most irish people might at apush recognise half a dozen names on that list, hardly a boycott more a "here a way to put name out there" excerise!
I seen hardly a single major Irish name there,I didnt see US, The Script,Boyzone,Westlife,Damien Rice,Liam Neeson,Colin Farrell,Amy Huberman, or any of the contemporary big Irish names there, why? because they are not boycotting Israel, because they don't refer to Israel as "The Zionist Entity", because they don't endorse planting bombs on buses, because they have a bigger world view!

wes

lividduck wrote: »

because they don't endorse planting bombs on buses, because they have a bigger world view!

So those who endorse a peaceful boycott, also endorse planting bombs on buses :rolleyes:...... Thats basically what your saying there. Sure, to use the opposite logic, then surely those who are not boycotting or are against one, support ethnic cleansing, racism, destroying peoples homes, and bombing civilians from the air, right? Of course, saying that would be silly, as people may have varied reasons for what there doin.

Seriously, when you start comparing a peaceful resistance, which is what a call for boycott is, to planting bombs on buses, then imho you have lost the plot.

Also, while there may be a lack of big names, the reaction from supporters of Israel (you can see over the last 27 pages with various claims, that no one has been able to prove), show that even at this early stage, a boycott is hugely damaging to Israel, and to the legitimacy of there colonial project.

hungrypig

lividduck wrote: »

Most irish people might at apush recognise half a dozen names on that list, hardly a boycott more a "here a way to put name out there" excerise!
I seen hardly a single major Irish name there,I didnt see US, The Script,Boyzone,Westlife,Damien Rice,Liam Neeson,Colin Farrell,Amy Huberman, or any of the contemporary big Irish names there, why? because they are not boycotting Israel, because they don't refer to Israel as "The Zionist Entity", because they don't endorse planting bombs on buses, because they have a bigger world view!

i recognised at least half the list and they are very accomplished in their fields, although i have a particular interest in culture. it might be more relevant for some people if jedward and ronan keating were on the list:o

lividduck

wes wrote: »

So those who endorse a peaceful boycott, also endorse planting bombs on buses :rolleyes:...... Thats basically what your saying there. Sure, to use the opposite logic, then surely those who are not boycotting or are against one, support ethnic cleansing, racism, destroying peoples homes, and bombing civilians from the air, right? Of course, saying that would be silly, as people may have varied reasons for what there doin.

Seriously, when you start comparing a peaceful resistance, which is what a call for boycott is, to planting bombs on buses, then imho you have lost the plot.

I suggest you read the earlier posts by Wild Bill whose post I was replying to. He has repaetedly endorsed the legitimacy of suicide bombimg civillian buses in Israel, or as he insultingly refers to it "The Zionist Entity".:mad:

wes

lividduck wrote: »

I suggest you read the earlier posts by Wild Bill whose post I was replying to. He has repaetedly endorsed the legitimacy of suicide bombimg civillian buses in Israel, or as he insultingly refers to it "The Zionist Entity".:mad:

The way you post was phrased, made it look like you were talking about those who supported a boycott. Apologies if I misunderstood.

Still, I don't understand the opposition to a call for boycott, against Israel due to there constant settlement expansion, and the violence that is needed to perpetuate settlements. It seems to me perfectly legitimate reaction to violent settlement expansion, and I have yet to see anyone present an actual alternative, as even during peace talks, Israel has expanded settlement, which imho show clearly they were not negotiating in good faith.

Nodin

hungrypig wrote: »

i recognised at least half the list and they are very accomplished in their fields, although i have a particular interest in culture. it might be more relevant for some people if jedward and ronan keating were on the list:o

.....but is it in the boycotts interests that they're on the list.....Imagine 10 years down the line, the organisers of the big Israeli summer concert announce their line up - Jedward, Keating, The cheeky girls, S club 7, and a 25 stone justin bieber. "what the fuck have we done to the world" will surely be the 1st question asked.

hungrypig

Nodin wrote: »

.....but is it in the boycotts interests that they're on the list.....Imagine 10 years down the line, the organisers of the big Israeli summer concert announce their line up - Jedward, Keating, The cheeky girls, S club 7, and a 25 stone justin bieber. "what the fuck have we done to the world" will surely be the 1st question asked.

lol nodin, israel are welcome to jedward and ronan keating and definitely bono

Nodin

hungrypig wrote: »

lol nodin, israel are welcome to jedward and ronan keating and definitely bono

....I doubt they'll take to Bono. They didn't care for the last fecker that turned up and acted like the messiah.

lividduck

Nodin wrote: »

....I doubt they'll take to Bono. They didn't care for the last fecker that turned up and acted like the messiah.

Oh Nodin, you bold!:D

The Israeli

wes wrote: »

You are now being deliberately very silly. That paragraph is very clear on what the solution is, but you have chosen to pretend it doesn't offer one. Just like you have chosen to smear the organization, without a shred of proof. It really doesn't matter a damn what the organization stands for, as you have made your mind up, and are at the ready to spew your nonsense and fiction.



Until you can produce such a video, I will consider this another lie, and smear attempt. For one you can't name the person who said it, nor the campaign (so the group you are talking about may not even be the IPSC, but it not like something simple like that matter to you or anything), or provide this so called video. Also, this isn't the first time, you have made a claim, without evidence. The only conclusion is that it is a lie, and in fact the same goes for many other similar post from you in this thread.

Also, i pointed out what they consider a solution. Why you have chose to pretend it isn't one, is simple beyond me, but then you entire criticism of the group has been nothing but a rather desperate fiction. Making up stuff in a desperate attempt to smear the organization.



It was already provided. You would rather peddle more fiction, and ignore anything that show your world view to be incorrect.

Now here is the quote again:

From http://www.ipsc.ie/about/aims


Notice the following " a just and equitable settlement based on the full and unequivocal implementation of international law.", seem pretty clear there preferred solution is one based on International law. Now seeing as how very clear the language being used is. I find it nothing short of amazing that you would deny a very simple and basic fact, but then again you have essentially been smearing the organization with lie after lie, so it no surprise that you have issue with facts.

So now we are on page 27, and no proof of any "venom" from the IPSC, and in fact more claims (well deliberate lies from a single poster, who is clearly trying desperately to smear the group) have been made without proof against them.

wes, what about the borders? what about the 48th refugees? what about recognizing Israel? What about guaranteeing the Israeli security against terror organizations?

NOTHING!! it's not a solution. If Israel RETURNS territories that are necessary for its security it must GET back GUARANTEES.

It's not a solution.. Excuse me very much...

I have uploaded this video before. Be my guest...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7RWb24VKhA

Important parts minute 5:30.
minute 8:00

The crown jewel: 9:43

minute 13:50
minute 16:00
minute 19:15 important. Dedicated to wes
minute 28:00

hungrypig

think i'll give it a miss the israeli..........i would imagine its very predictable

VALIS

I find Ilan Pappé more persuasive tbh.

wes

The Israeli wrote: »

wes, what about the borders? what about the 48th refugees?

International law covers all that.

The Israeli wrote: »

what about recognizing Israel?

PLO did that in the 1980's. Amazing that Israel seems to demand recognition over and over again. its a bit bizarre tbh.

The Israeli wrote: »

What about guaranteeing the Israeli security against terror organizations?

Palestinians in the West Bank are already working with Israel in regards to this, and in return receive constant settlement expansion, terrorism from both the state of Israel and from settlers. Also, the fact that you even asked this question show you pretty much deny the fact that this is already taking place.

BTW, international law again would cover security for both sides.

The Israeli wrote: »

NOTHING!! it's not a solution. If Israel RETURNS territories that are necessary for its security it must GET back GUARANTEES.

What Israel deems for its security may or may not have any basis in reality. If Israel truly cared about its security, then settlement would not exist.

The Israeli wrote: »

It's not a solution.. Excuse me very much...

A solution based on International law is pretty much the only game in town, and that is what they support. They don't go into the details, but to pretend they don't support a solution is ridiculous. You were proven wrong, and then decided to change the goal posts, and demand a detailed solution instead.

The Israeli wrote: »

I have uploaded this video before. Be my guest.

A video which has nothing to do with the group in question, again........ Not going to even bother this time, as almost every single link you posted, didn't back up what you said. BTW, the guy in video supports a solution based on International law, same as the IPSC......

So, we are back to multiple lies from yourself, which you refuse to back up, and insist that you are right, despite never providing a single shred of proof. You constantly post random articles and video's, which are deliberately off topic, and have nothing to do with the IPSC. As I said before, you are really rather desperate.

orlao

lividduck wrote: »

Most irish people might at apush recognise half a dozen names on that list, hardly a boycott more a "here a way to put name out there" excerise!
I seen hardly a single major Irish name there,I didnt see US, The Script,Boyzone,Westlife,Damien Rice,Liam Neeson,Colin Farrell,Amy Huberman, or any of the contemporary big Irish names there, why? because they are not boycotting Israel, because they don't refer to Israel as "The Zionist Entity", because they don't endorse planting bombs on buses, because they have a bigger world view!

Christy Moore, Damian Dempsey, Robert Ballagh, Nuala Ní Dhomhnaill, Donal Lunny and some of the biggest trad names you'll ever see - and as Dervish said they weren't aware of it, so I would imagine it will grow. I don't understand why you think this is not a powerful list.

KyussBishop

Perhaps not entirely on-topic, but a notable reminder of the ongoing hunger strikes (even Tony 'war criminal' Blair is speaking out about it):
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/may/13/palestinian-hunger-strikers-close-to-death

This letter in particular, from one of the hunger strikers (who is 75 days into his hunger strike, i.e. almost certain to die now), to his daughter, stands out:
http://mondoweiss.net/2012/05/thaer-halahleh-dying-tells-the-daughter-hes-never-seen-why-he-took-a-stand-for-human-dignity.html

golden lane

KyussBishop wrote: »

Perhaps not entirely on-topic, but a notable reminder of the ongoing hunger strikes (even Tony 'war criminal' Blair is speaking out about it):
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/may/13/palestinian-hunger-strikers-close-to-death

This letter in particular, from one of the hunger strikers (who is 75 days into his hunger strike, i.e. almost certain to die now), to his daughter, stands out:
http://mondoweiss.net/2012/05/thaer-halahleh-dying-tells-the-daughter-hes-never-seen-why-he-took-a-stand-for-human-dignity.html[/QUOTE]


if anybody wants tyo starve themselves to death.....what has it got to do with anybody else..............??????..

wes

golden lane wrote: »

if anybody wants tyo starve themselves to death.....what has it got to do with anybody else..............??????..

It a form of non-violent protest. Gandhi was rather fond of this from of non-violent protest. This form of protest is still pretty popular in the sub-continent. What we are seeing here, is Palestinians using non-violent protest (largely ignored by the West), to end detention without trial.

golden lane

wes wrote: »

It a form of non-violent protest. Gandhi was rather fond of this from of non-violent protest. This form of protest is still pretty popular in the sub-continent. What we are seeing here, is Palestinians using non-violent protest (largely ignored by the West), to end detention without trial.

non violent protest.....needs masses of people causing all sorts of mayhem.....

these are just the actions of a lunatic......and nobody cares.........

you need violant reaction to peacefull protest..for it to work........ignoring a man starving himself......will not upset anybody.......

Nodin

golden lane wrote: »

non violent protest.....needs masses of people causing all sorts of mayhem.....

.......

It's a mass hunger-strike.
http://www.npr.org/2012/05/08/152255930/palestinians-rally-around-prisoners-on-hunger-strike

wes

golden lane wrote: »

non violent protest.....needs masses of people causing all sorts of mayhem.....

There are protests in the West Bank as well, in support of the hunger strikers.

golden lane wrote: »

these are just the actions of a lunatic......and nobody cares.........

There is more than one hunger strikers. If you are calling these guys lunatics on the basis of a hunger strike, then you may as well be calling the likes of Ghandi and other non-violent activists lunatics. Also, the various protests in support of them, clearly shows that a great many people do care. So basically, your completely wrong.

golden lane wrote: »

you need violant reaction to peacefull protest..for it to work........ignoring a man starving himself......will not upset anybody.......

Hunger strikes and other non-violent protest worked for Gandhi pretty damn well, what with the end of the British Raj......