Chargers Thread

Justin10

Im still very confident that we will make the playoffs

Padji1

I'm not:o
That was putrid last night. So frustrating as, even with a 24-0 headstart, you almost knew that the team would crumble as soon as they were put under pressure. The same happened against the Falcons and Saints.

My take on it:
Norv - Gave him the benefit of the doubt this year following a decent draft/FA but my faith is totally gone. When you're 24 up why are we putting Rivers into 5/7 step drops with that O'line aginst that rush. Granted, Mathews probably needed a slap on the wrist but what's wrong with feeding our RB (any RB) the ball and keeping Peyton off the field.

Rivers - Let's face it, he's not an elite QB anymore. I genuinely believed last year was a flash in the pan and he'd completely turn it around but he's making the same mistakes as 12 months ago. We can't afford to wait until the last 5 games like last year for him to stop throwing picks.

Defense - Again, I had high hopes following the drafting of Ingram and the signing of JJ. However, we're so soft it's unreal. We don;t exert any pressure on the QB despite having the talent/personnel to do so (Ingram, English, Philips) and our CB's simply can't cover. Which leads me on to my next point.

CBs - They are woeful. Cason has so little ability it's unbelievable that he's made it this far. Surely Chris Carr couldn't do any worse at this stage.

O-Line - Again, pretty poor. In fairness, Harris did okay last night but Clary on the other side is another weak link. Rivers needs time to go through his reads or to make the long bomb and, in fairness to him, he's not getting it.

WRs - Who is out No. 1 receiver? Still Brown even though he's injured? Meacham hasn't shown it and I wonder if he's actually running the correct routes as Rivers can't get close to him. Royal is constantly injured, same with Floyd.

Rant over....

OAOB

Padji1 wrote: »

I'm not:o
That was putrid last night. So frustrating as, even with a 24-0 headstart, you almost knew that the team would crumble as soon as they were put under pressure. The same happened against the Falcons and Saints.

My take on it:
Norv - Gave him the benefit of the doubt this year following a decent draft/FA but my faith is totally gone. When you're 24 up why are we putting Rivers into 5/7 step drops with that O'line aginst that rush. Granted, Mathews probably needed a slap on the wrist but what's wrong with feeding our RB (any RB) the ball and keeping Peyton off the field.

Rivers - Let's face it, he's not an elite QB anymore. I genuinely believed last year was a flash in the pan and he'd completely turn it around but he's making the same mistakes as 12 months ago. We can't afford to wait until the last 5 games like last year for him to stop throwing picks.

Defense - Again, I had high hopes following the drafting of Ingram and the signing of JJ. However, we're so soft it's unreal. We don;t exert any pressure on the QB despite having the talent/personnel to do so (Ingram, English, Philips) and our CB's simply can't cover. Which leads me on to my next point.

CBs - They are woeful. Cason has so little ability it's unbelievable that he's made it this far. Surely Chris Carr couldn't do any worse at this stage.

O-Line - Again, pretty poor. In fairness, Harris did okay last night but Clary on the other side is another weak link. Rivers needs time to go through his reads or to make the long bomb and, in fairness to him, he's not getting it.

WRs - Who is out No. 1 receiver? Still Brown even though he's injured? Meacham hasn't shown it and I wonder if he's actually running the correct routes as Rivers can't get close to him. Royal is constantly injured, same with Floyd.

Rant over....

Nice summary and i'd be agreeing with nearly all of this. I think Mike Harris is doing incredibly well for what we should be expecting of an undrafted rookie LT, helped out more than Clary i reckon.
New receivers just aren't clicking with Rivers, 3 of the 4 Int were to new receivers. Floyd is still getting 1or2 catches a game but he never does much more. Hopefully Browne can be as good as we're all hoping.

Leslie91

Padji1 wrote: »

I'm not:o
That was putrid last night. So frustrating as, even with a 24-0 headstart, you almost knew that the team would crumble as soon as they were put under pressure. The same happened against the Falcons and Saints.

My take on it:
Norv - Gave him the benefit of the doubt this year following a decent draft/FA but my faith is totally gone. When you're 24 up why are we putting Rivers into 5/7 step drops with that O'line aginst that rush. Granted, Mathews probably needed a slap on the wrist but what's wrong with feeding our RB (any RB) the ball and keeping Peyton off the field.

Rivers - Let's face it, he's not an elite QB anymore. I genuinely believed last year was a flash in the pan and he'd completely turn it around but he's making the same mistakes as 12 months ago. We can't afford to wait until the last 5 games like last year for him to stop throwing picks.

Defense - Again, I had high hopes following the drafting of Ingram and the signing of JJ. However, we're so soft it's unreal. We don;t exert any pressure on the QB despite having the talent/personnel to do so (Ingram, English, Philips) and our CB's simply can't cover. Which leads me on to my next point.

CBs - They are woeful. Cason has so little ability it's unbelievable that he's made it this far. Surely Chris Carr couldn't do any worse at this stage.

O-Line - Again, pretty poor. In fairness, Harris did okay last night but Clary on the other side is another weak link. Rivers needs time to go through his reads or to make the long bomb and, in fairness to him, he's not getting it.

WRs - Who is out No. 1 receiver? Still Brown even though he's injured? Meacham hasn't shown it and I wonder if he's actually running the correct routes as Rivers can't get close to him. Royal is constantly injured, same with Floyd.

Rant over....

V good post.

Like OAOB I agree with most everything you've said. I particularly like that you've mentioned the playcalling when we were 24 up ie. having Rivers do 5/7 step drops, putting more pressure on him and the O line. Let's face it Norv does not know what he is doing and this is supposed to be his forte.

He needs to be gone immediately. I only saw/read some snippets about his presser yesterday. You have to laugh that the next day he is realising his playcalling was too risky/forceful and he is going to look at toning it down. Too late mate. The guys has always been a terrible in game manager, that's nothing new. Get rid of him and Fairchild, what the F is he doing during the game playing solitaire? (missing the Gaither injury in Saints game = unforgiveable).

I reckon an interim HC like Bisaccia might shake this thing up. Starting with benching Clary might be a good idea.

Leslie91

Rochey18 wrote: »

Im still very confident that we will make the playoffs

I'm not. Not with Norv at the helm. Please God they will make the change now and give us a shot.

Justin10

I totally agree that Norv needs to go, trying to think of potential replacements.

I dont think Rivers has the arm for Meachem, Rivers throws the ball with a high trajectory for VJax and Flloyd to go up and get it.

For Rivers pick Meachem was in if that ball was throw over the top.

Leslie91

Rochey18 wrote: »

I totally agree that Norv needs to go, trying to think of potential replacements.

I dont think Rivers has the arm for Meachem, Rivers throws the ball with a high trajectory for VJax and Flloyd to go up and get it.

For Rivers pick Meachem was in if that ball was throw over the top.

So much of Philip's sh1tty throws has to do with the playcall and the protection or lack therof. He'd be fine were the O line better than adequate and the playcalling was better. He needs to get his mojo back though and fast.

Justin10

Nate Kaeding to be released when he is healthy.

I doubt Novak is the long term solution.

OAOB

Rochey18 wrote: »

Nate Kaeding to be released when he is healthy.

I doubt Novak is the long term solution.

Have to agree with you on Novak, he has struggled on kicking the ball through the endzone. Feel sorry for Nate, he looked better than ever this year but if he can't stay healthy he just becomes a liability, hope this isn't the end of his career

Justin10

Im sure someone will pick him up.

Just another position that adds to the list of our needs

Leslie91

Ref the Nate situation... I don't get it. So we put him on IR. Why, when he is fit do we have to release him?. Most IR cases are eligible to come back to the team for the next season. What's different with this case?, anyone know?

As for Nate going I'm meh about it. The lad choked every playoff game, he should and could have been cut loose long ago. Having said that I'd be looking for an upgrade on Novak sooner rather than later. It's no coincidence that he was never picked up by anybody when Nate beat him out.

OAOB

I thought the IR rules were simple and straight forward until the Merriman deal a few years ago. I presume Nate's case is something weird like that

Leslie91

OAOB wrote: »

I thought the IR rules were simple and straight forward until the Merriman deal a few years ago. I presume Nate's case is something weird like that

This is all I can find online which does not answer the question;

Previously, any player placed on injured reserve was lost for the remainder of the season.

For 2012, however, one player deemed to have a "major injury" can return during the season. A "major injury" is defined as one that will keep a player sidelined for at least six weeks.

If a player is placed on IR after September 4, he can return to practice six weeks later and can become part of the active list two weeks after that. The team must label the injured player as "designated for return" at the time of his placement on IR.

(this is what we are doing with Vincent Brown)

OAOB

For some reason we were able to release Merriman while he was IR'd and he played with the Bills the same season, its just a strange one.

Anyway any word on when V Brown will be back? Has he started practicing?

Leslie91

OAOB wrote: »

For some reason we were able to release Merriman while he was IR'd and he played with the Bills the same season, its just a strange one.

Anyway any word on when V Brown will be back? Has he started practicing?

Last I heard Vincent was not recovering as quickly as hoped and that he will not be practicing until next week at the earliest. He is eligible to practice now and play week 8. I'd say earliest we see him on the field is the Tampa game.

Leslie91

I think I have this one figured out... Kaeding's injury is classed as minor ie. one that would not preclude him from playing again in season 2012/13. A player that is IR'd with a minor injury must be released so he can catch on with another team during that season.

It means the IR tag is not abused by teams ie. IR'ing a guy to free up a roster space cannot be done willy nilly, unless you know for sure the injury means he is done until the following season.

Justin10

Anyone explain to me what JJ was doing in the game in clear passing situations and starting Ingram when Browns where clearly establishing the run??

If only Bibgy had caught that INT, thought Luigit was very good again today.

Denver win or lose later the division is still wide open.

spiralism

We broke your will last week. Ye got beaten 7-6 by the worst team in football today and looked horrible, especially offensively. Sure, stranger things have happened in afc west divisional races, but other times the chargers came back from lousy starts they were losing narrowly to good teams, not blowing leads of 17 and 24 and losing 7-6 to the Browns.

OAOB

Goodman IR'd and Ajirotutu re-signed, always liked him so happy about it.

Vincent Brown isn't even running yet, not looking good for him to contribute this year

Justin10

Does Brown have to be back before a certain time before he has to make the roster or be put on IR?

Delighted Tutu is back.
Very curious who our next head coach will be.
Dont think anyone from college scene suits us.

Hope AJ is kept on, as long as he stays pretty aggressive in free agency and not signing guys like Laboy

OAOB

I think AJ has done reasonably well gathering talent and think he's a good GM for the most part but his loyalty to Norv has gone on for too long and i think if we get rid of one we've to get rid of the other too.

I see a few people recommending Bisaccia as a candidate but i'd much rather an outsider come in who has no locker room connections

Leslie91

In my opinion both AJ and Norv need to go. AJ is responsible for the roster. Our O line is a joke, the corners are terrible and the wideouts he brought in to try and replace VJ have failed. We need to blow the thing up.

Dean is a tight ass F. If you look at the players who have been let go for more or less nothing it is scandalous....

Brees, Sproles, Welker (not that many could have foreseen what would happen), VJ, Rodney, Kaeding. And then on the other hand you have AJ handing longterm big money deals to Tucker, Castillo, Wiley, Boston, Meachem, Clary. And signing WRs off the street instead of having your PS guys ready and able, F me.

A coach like Bobby Ross needs to come in, one that will take no BS and will hold players accountable. This nicey nicey stuff results in players not performing as they should.

Also either we get some O linemen in next offseason/draft our we move on from Philip. He cannot move and so is dead behind this O line. He hasn't a chance. He is playing scared, his mechanics are shot.

Leslie91

spiralism wrote: »

We broke your will last week. Ye got beaten 7-6 by the worst team in football today and looked horrible, especially offensively. Sure, stranger things have happened in afc west divisional races, but other times the chargers came back from lousy starts they were losing narrowly to good teams, not blowing leads of 17 and 24 and losing 7-6 to the Browns.

Agree. And we see this every year with our weak HC. The team follows his lead, slump shoulders, head down, whining at pressers.

Really surprised Peyton has worked out for you. If he goes down you are where we are though, you'd better have plenty of cotton wool to wrap round him.

Leslie91

OAOB wrote: »

I think AJ has done reasonably well gathering talent and think he's a good GM for the most part but his loyalty to Norv has gone on for too long and i think if we get rid of one we've to get rid of the other too.

I see a few people recommending Bisaccia as a candidate but i'd much rather an outsider come in who has no locker room connections

Agree, Bisaccia is just a stop gap imho.

Molly

Just reading that 2012 draft thing on this board and it got me thinking. How happy are you with our draft

1) Ingram, pretty happy, needs to be out on the field more. JJ hasn't been impressive at all so would like to see Melvin out there instead. Has given away some silly penalties but I think they are over eagerness more than anything else

2) Kendall Reyes, extremely happy but would like to see him get more snaps. Vaughn Martin is garbage and Reyes has had a decent impact on the field

3) Brandon Taylor, bad sign when he can't get on the field ahead of Atari 'I'm going to bite on every play action/stone hands' Bigby

4) Ladarrius Green, hoping he can reach the potential he has. Haven't seen much of him. Will be important as Gates isn't looking too hot lately, although I dunno if that's Rivers or Gates.

Leslie91

Molly wrote: »

Just reading that 2012 draft thing on this board and it got me thinking. How happy are you with our draft

1) Ingram, pretty happy, needs to be out on the field more. JJ hasn't been impressive at all so would like to see Melvin out there instead. Has given away some silly penalties but I think they are over eagerness more than anything else

2) Kendall Reyes, extremely happy but would like to see him get more snaps. Vaughn Martin is garbage and Reyes has had a decent impact on the field

3) Brandon Taylor, bad sign when he can't get on the field ahead of Atari 'I'm going to bite on every play action/stone hands' Bigby

4) Ladarrius Green, hoping he can reach the potential he has. Haven't seen much of him. Will be important as Gates isn't looking too hot lately, although I dunno if that's Rivers or Gates.

Ingram has not had the impact I'd expected. Ok so he has not been on the field perhaps as much as he should be but even then he's been average. He is susceptible to boneheadedness too which is a worry. The guy must not be the smartest tool in the box.

Reyes has been ok, nothing amazing but that's what you get from a DE in the 3-4, nothing flashy. Having said that Liuget has come on a long way in his 2nd season, hope Reyes can do too. I don't agree that Vaughn Martin is garbage, like Ingram can do stupid things at times but he is a decent 3-4 DE.

Taylor is an enigma. I didn't think he was going to amount to much but I did not expect him to be inactive every single week. You have to wonder how he is applying himself. He should be making it his business to become a special teams demon ala Stuckey. That's how you get on the field early if you can't beat out the starter at your position.

Similarly Green has been inactive for more games than we would have liked. I know he is supposed to be a TE but for me he is a big WR and instead of him becoming a player in the passing game we have the team reaching for guys off the street. Maybe he can become something, but for now he's been a big disappointment.

OAOB

I think Ingram has looked pretty good so far, maybe we all expected a bit too much of him straight away but from what i can see he is easily our 2nd best OLB and not too far behind Philips.

Reyes is doing good, as Leslie says its hard for a 34 DE to have a big impact, especially as a rookie. I think Marting is fine as a rotational player but i'd like to see Reyes get more snaps.

Taylor's non contribution is a worry and Green showed flashes of ability but more so as a WR than a TE, i'd hope to see him running a few routes on Thurs night instead of Tutu.

Troutman is obviously an unknown but we could do with an upgrade at LG next year so fingers crossed. If Troutman worked came in looking very good next year and considering we re-sign Vasquez then it really is just a new RT needed on O-line i think.

Leslie91

OAOB wrote: »

I think Ingram has looked pretty good so far, maybe we all expected a bit too much of him straight away but from what i can see he is easily our 2nd best OLB and not too far behind Philips.

Reyes is doing good, as Leslie says its hard for a 34 DE to have a big impact, especially as a rookie. I think Marting is fine as a rotational player but i'd like to see Reyes get more snaps.

Taylor's non contribution is a worry and Green showed flashes of ability but more so as a WR than a TE, i'd hope to see him running a few routes on Thurs night instead of Tutu.

Troutman is obviously an unknown but we could do with an upgrade at LG next year so fingers crossed. If Troutman worked came in looking very good next year and considering we re-sign Vasquez then it really is just a new RT needed on O-line i think.

O line is in a huge state of flux. I'm still not convinced by Gaither, Hardwick has regressed bigtime and I'm not a fan of Vasquez at all. Green might be the guy with the most upside across the full line.

Clary needs to be dumped yesterday. I'd imagine Vasquez will be let go too esp if he is not extended during the season (not much of a loss imho). Hardwick will be gone too, cannot see him coming back for another year. It means we need to find 3 new starting O linemen minimum. Wow.

Is Molk the new center?, will Troutman be the RG?, Harris the RT?, surely not all 3. Provided we get a new GM I want to see us going O line in the draft round 1 unless a stud/can't miss corner has dropped.

OAOB

I suppose a lot depends on who our GM is but i reckon Vasquez is worth signing to a low contract, RG is definitely not our biggest need. I don't think Green is playing any better than Vasquez.
I'd go for CB in the draft anyway, Jammer is old and Cason shouldn't be re-signed.

Justin10

Leslie to say its AJ fault to let go Brees Welker and VJ is crazy
No one in the league wanted Brees not even Miami.

JJ has been fantastic imo, when he is in the game the run D is brilliant.
He was never going to get a pass rush.

We are getting much better pressure this year, even if we aint getting sacks.

Our draft picks are in a difficult situation. Ingram I think will be number 1 OLB next year because I doubt Philips gets paid.

Reyes is behind Lugit who has been fantastic and Martin.

Taylor had to be drafted because of the depht in the draft and also in our roster. We wanted Smith but went way to early for us. No one knew if Bigby would make it through the year either.

Green was clearly an experiment which looked good when he played.
AJ can be criticised for many things but one thing he cannot be criticised for is his drafting.

Look at other teams, imagine having Ireland as our GM :eek:
Look at how the millions the Eagles invested turned out.
AJ is top notch and ive never had a problem with the money he gave to players or let go. Only problem I have is his backing of Norv.

I also can dont understand the picking on Vasquez. Been a really solid pick. We lost two pro bowlers last year. Clary is poor but not much we can do about that now.