Households must pay for water meters.

Bishop_Donal

Bullseye1 wrote: »

The current government has got to concentrate on the domestic economy. Putting all their eggs in exports has done nothing. We need to get 400,000 people back to work in the private sector.

How?

They wud if they cud, but they just don't have the money.

They aim to create 2,000 jobs installing water meters and this is the reaction.

How will they magic up the 400,000 jobs? I'll guarantee you any government would love to be the ones to figure that one out, but in the meantime they have to operate in the real world.

gerryo777

lugha wrote: »

Are you not equally concerned about paying a discriminatory motor tax, and a portion of that tax is (the excess beyond what is needed to maintain the road network)?

No.

Because the guy who rents, or the guy who is a highly subsidised LA tenant and also owns a car is liable for road tax too.

Phill Ewinn

Bishop_Donal wrote: »

But what wud you do to get the position back in balance?

Just ignore the Bank bailout for the moment and assume we just don't pay it (which is ultimately what I feel we shud and will do).

How wud you balance the books. You need to find Eur15bn that we currently don't have. & not the usual crap like 'do away with quango's' and 'eliminate waste'. While they are absolutely fair objectives, they won't find you 15bn or even 5% of it. So let's hear some real proposals.

Uk is going to spend 180bn on electricity generators in the next few years. We should be cashing in on that action by providing wind pumped hydro plants and exporting to them at a low cost per kw/hr. But we're too busy pissing money away to do something about that.

People like P Hogan are part of the problem. Stop standing up for him and his stupid ideas.

gerryo777

Bishop_Donal wrote: »

Gerry, I'd prefer not to engage with someone who has reduced to calling me a fool tonight, but it's about paying for the services that you use.

The same services that renters use.

twinytwo

so i take it that this dosent apply to private wells right?

If it doesnt then is it not discrimination against those connected to mains.

if it does, id like to see them come onto private property to install a meter, on a pump they dont own, to charge for a resouce they dont own or have anyhing to do with.... and if they did somehow manage to do this the minute they leave im ripping the thing out.

instead of charging for water.... why not sort out the millions of gallons that are lost every year though age old crappy council piping....

lugha

gerryo777 wrote: »

No.

Because the guy who rents, or the guy who is a highly subsidised LA tenant and also owns a car is liable for road tax too.

And both of you are being discriminated against because, along with all motorists, you are being required to pay a tax to the general exchequer that no one else has to pay?

How on earth is that not discrimination?

Bullseye1

Most counties have 3-4 council authorities. This should be reduced to one.

Get rid of motor tax altogether and put 3-5 cents on the price of fuel. User pays and this does away with unnecessary paperwork and use of Garda to check for motor tax.

Cut social welfare and half it for those who are long term unemployed. Those low paid jobs won't be so undesirable. We need to get the 400,000 or as many of them back to work. This will go along way to balance the books.

Cut VAT to help with spending and put a tax on savings.

Cut VAT and excise on fuels for haulige companies to control inflation. This should also help keep the price on food etc affordable with everyone having less take home pay.

Doc Ruby

Stinicker wrote: »

I already entombed my mains connection under 2 metres of rebar re-inforced concrete in 2010 after the 1st big freeze to ensure I would have water during the cold snap as the incompetent council workers rose the pipe near the surface when they did it for the shut off valve where it then froze, I sank it down a huge depth and installed my own shut off valve inside my property and then sealed it all over with concrete and rebar, so if Phil Hogan wants to meter me he better have a real good kango or rockbreaker for starters, and a tow truck because for good measure I have parked an old banger right over where the connection used to be!

Can I just say, you're my hero.

Bishop_Donal

lugha wrote: »

And both of you are being discriminated against because, along with all motorists, you are being required to pay a tax to the general exchequer that no one else has to pay?

How on earth is that not discrimination?

Not to mention the fella who has a bike! Gerry not happy with him at all!!

gerryo777

lugha wrote: »

And both of you are being discriminated against because, along with all motorists, you are being required to pay a tax to the general exchequer that no one else has to pay?

How on earth is that not discrimination?

It's my choice.

I could sell my car but I have to live in my house.

gerryo777

Bishop_Donal wrote: »

Not to mention the fella who has a bike! Gerry not happy with him at all!!

What are you talking about?

Bullseye1

Bishop_Donal wrote: »

How?

They wud if they cud, but they just don't have the money.

They aim to create 2,000 jobs installing water meters and this is the reaction.

How will they magic up the 400,000 jobs? I'll guarantee you any government would love to be the ones to figure that one out, but in the meantime they have to operate in the real world.

By removing unnecessary red tape and allow the private sector function. Do something about upward only rents and rates.

2000 jobs? By the time it's gone through the tender phase these jobs may very well be non-Irish jobs.

Doc Ruby

Naomi00 wrote: »

So you have to pay for **** quality water...makes loads of sense.

This is the thing. We'll still be left with crap quality drinking water. I might not be so angry at this if the money was actually going to fix the pipes that leak literally half their contents out before they get to my tap, to say nothing of what leaks in.

Bishop_Donal

gerryo777 wrote: »

It's my choice.

I could sell my car but I have to live in my house.

You cud sell it and rent?

gerryo777

Bishop_Donal wrote: »

You cud sell it and rent?

Have you had a few???

Doc Ruby

Biggins wrote: »

The founding members of Labour have turned over in their graves months ago with the antics of the current lot of two-faced traitors to the very people they are supposed to be also representing.

That would be the unions, whose wages are being paid by these water charges, so in fact Labour is staying true to its remit while bending the private sector over backwards. This brand of socialism has nothing to do with helping "the people", and its quite open about it.

lugha

gerryo777 wrote: »

It's my choice.

I could sell my car but I have to live in my house.

Well the glib answer is that you could also sell you house and rent. And while I accept that that is not remotely feasible for many people, neither is selling their car.

In any case, it would seem that despite your ubiquitous reference to “discriminatory” this is not really a fundamental concern for you (assuming you did not in fact sell you car once you realised you were a victim of such horrendous discrimination? )

Doc Ruby

donegal_road wrote: »

right, Im going to contribute something possitive to this.. I have just looked into rainwater harvesting systems for domestic houses (just google it and see). I will start a new thread on this soon and post updates and progress as I go along.

Check out the self sufficiency forum in my sig there, we already have a comprehensive thread on it.

Doc Ruby

PrincessLola wrote: »

I don't know who to vote for anymore, I just hate them all so much.

May have to do the unthinkable and vote for SF next time.

It sickens me to my stomach but I have to agree. The shinners will be getting my vote at this rate.

gerryo777

lugha wrote: »

Well the glib answer is that you could also sell you house and rent. And while I accept that that is not remotely feasible for many people, neither is selling their car.

In any case, it would seem that despite your ubiquitous reference to “discriminatory” this is not really a fundamental concern for you (assuming you did not in fact sell you car once you realised you were a victim of such horrendous discrimination? )

I'm glad you see donal as glib, I was thinking that myself.

ninebeanrows

Poor old FG+LAB

They will spend the next 3-4 years putting Ireland into a sustainable tax and charge basis so we can pay our bills into the future, they will become increasingly unpopular over time, Fianna Fail will be voted in 2015 with the Shinners. The economy will recover as a result of the decisions and natural economic cycle, Fianna Fail will take the kudos and reign for another 30 years.

Biggins

Doc Ruby wrote: »

That would be the unions, whose wages are being paid by these water charges, so in fact Labour is staying true to its remit while bending the private sector over backwards. This brand of socialism has nothing to do with helping "the people", and its quite open about it.

Indeed, and 'the people' (workers and 'want to be workers') as I'm guessing you allude to (and I agree), have become small fry to be ignored or run roughshod for the sake of the big boys in business, at home and abroad, to cover their 'no-lose' bond gambling and take care of the top countries of the EU (France and Germany, etc).
My god, Labour alone has in its resolve to bleed the public dry, forgotten whom exactly its supposed to be representing and helping, not sucking them dry for every cent in a sly and open form of capitalism. at every move!

Bishop_Donal

gerryo777 wrote: »

I'm glad you see donal as glib, I was thinking that myself.

:D:D

Try playing the ball Gerry!!

In the end of the day you'll pay your 'discriminatory' taxes, and you can well afford it, so stop moaning.

gerryo777

Weathercheck wrote: »

Poor old FG+LAB

They will spend the next 3-4 years putting Ireland into a sustainable tax and charge basis so we can pay our bills into the future, they will become increasingly unpopular over time, Fianna Fail will be voted in 2015 with the Shinners. The economy will recover as a result of the decisions and natural economic cycle, Fianna Fail will take the kudos and reign for another 30 years.

Fianna fail running the country again sends shivers down my spine.
The way it's going though they'll probably be the 'junior' partner in that set up.

lugha

Weathercheck wrote: »

Poor old FG+LAB

They will spend the next 3-4 years putting Ireland into a sustainable tax and charge basis so we can pay our bills into the future, they will become increasingly unpopular over time, Fianna Fail will be voted in 2015 with the Shinners. The economy will recover as a result of the decisions and natural economic cycle, Fianna Fail will take the kudos and reign for another 30 years.

Deja Vu.

But not to worry. FF will probably balls it up again at some point so FG will have another tilt sometime around 2025

Bishop_Donal

Weathercheck wrote: »

Poor old FG+LAB

They will spend the next 3-4 years putting Ireland into a sustainable tax and charge basis so we can pay our bills into the future, they will become increasingly unpopular over time, Fianna Fail will be voted in 2015 with the Shinners. The economy will recover as a result of the decisions and natural economic cycle, Fianna Fail will take the kudos and reign for another 30 years.

You might not be that far off the mark, but I'll guess two Dáil terms, and that it will be 'FF núa' with Sinners.

gerryo777

Bishop_Donal wrote: »

:D:D

Try playing the ball Gerry!!

In the end of the day you'll pay your 'discriminatory' taxes, and you can well afford it, so stop moaning.

When everyone else who uses the same services as me is liable, I'll pay.

I don't appreciate being discriminated against just because I work hard and own my own home.

Principle!

kincsem

I'm a single person living alone. I expect after the water meter is installed, and they find out I don't use as much water as a "normal" household I will be charged a minimum water charge i.e. a charge greater than my actual usage.

Doc Ruby

Heres a good rainwater harvesting thread:

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056563876

Let em try taking the roof off. And incidentally, no, government agents do not have the right to enter your property without a court order or clear suspicion of a crime in progress. They definetely have no right to enter and damage private property.

Bishop_Donal

gerryo777 wrote: »

When everyone else who uses the same services as me is liable, I'll pay.

I don't appreciate being discriminated against just because I work hard and own my own home.

Principle!

Ah well, I suppose time will tell that one.

I'll bet you will pay or that tax free allowance cert is amended (to collect the tax and penalties) long before Local Authority Housing people pay it. Based on your indication that you earn more than me, I wouldn't have a shred of sympathy for you.