Olympic Qualifiers last chance saloon!

efb

How the AIBA report Ward's loss:
Trabzon's blue-eyed boy Muzaffer shocks Irish top favourite

yore

efb wrote: »

There is both a scoring button and a warning button for red and blue.

Pressing the warning button when the ref indicates is the same as W
Not pressing the warning button when the ref indicates is the same as X
Pressing the warning button when the ref doesn't indicate is the same as J

Yeah, but thinking about it, if two of the judges give a "J" in a round, on paper their scores for that round go from say 20-19 to 20-18 . In a computer system I don't see how that would work?

Suppose the round is otherwise scored at a 5-3 scoring punches. The first scenario is that the ref gives a public warning to one of them which leaves it to a 5-1 .
But if the ref doesn't give a warning and say even three of the judges do for that round, does it still go to 5-1? Bear in mind that the warnings might not be giving simultaneously. One boxer could be fouling all the time, with the ref not doing much about it, and they might decide to give their "J"s 20 seconds apart.

clubwelly

Jayob10 wrote: »

brilliant news! well done paddy

Yeah absolutely brill fair play Paddy

yore

yore wrote: »

Yeah, but thinking about it, if two of the judges give a "J" in a round, on paper their scores for that round go from say 20-19 to 20-18 . In a computer system I don't see how that would work?

Suppose the round is otherwise scored at a 5-3 scoring punches. The first scenario is that the ref gives a public warning to one of them which leaves it to a 5-1 .
But if the ref doesn't give a warning and say even three of the judges do for that round, does it still go to 5-1? Bear in mind that the warnings might not be giving simultaneously. One boxer could be fouling all the time, with the ref not doing much about it, and they might decide to give their "J"s 20 seconds apart.

It's probably not as big an issue due to the fact that the computers tend to be used at bigger events. E.g the Nationals or internationals. So for those events they'd have (theoretically) good refs. (and they'd also have the judges panel, or whatever the term is for that monitoring the competition). It's probably only an issue when you have bad refs. Probably, if it's borderline, you'd go with the ref's choice anyway.


Edit: Sorry for going off topic!!

makl

barnes was on radio earlier said ward boxed badly but stil robbed. need to see fight for myself too, hope it finds its way to youtube

efb

yore wrote: »

It's probably not as big an issue due to the fact that the computers tend to be used at bigger events. E.g the Nationals or internationals. So for those events they'd have (theoretically) good refs. (and they'd also have the judges panel, or whatever the term is for that monitoring the competition). It's probably only an issue when you have bad refs. Probably, if it's borderline, you'd go with the ref's choice anyway.


Edit: Sorry for going off topic!!

Simultaneous scoring is gone.

AIBA SCORING SYSTEM
1. KEY FEATURES OF SCORING SYSTEM
1.1. The scoring system is based on the Individual Score.
1.2. There is no “one second window” for three Judges to score at the same time.
1.3. No running score during the bout, only running time.
1.4. Individual Scores of each Judge are displayed during the break.
1.5. No computerized Judges’ evaluation.
2. SCORING METHOD
2.1. Per round, each Individual Score is counted.
2.2. The scores in each round are the average of three Judges’ score combination which are the closest together called as Similar Scores.
2.3. For each round, the results of the Individual Scores are calculated separately for the red Boxer and the blue Boxer.
2.4. If at the end of a round more than one Similar Score appears, the Trimmed Mean calculation will apply. The Trimmed Mean is when the highest and lowest Individual Scores are taken out and the average of the remaining three Individual Scores is counted.
3. WARNING
3.1 Warnings are not linked to the Individual Scores but considered with 2 points awarded to the opponent in the Total Score.
4. DECISIONS
4.1 The Winner is the Boxer with the highest Total Score.
4.2 In case of a tie in the Final Scores:
4.2.1. First, delete the lowest and highest Judges’ total scores in each red and blue corner. Then, the winner will be determined by the total scores of the remaining three Judges of each red and blue corner.
4.2.1. Second, in case of a tie after the above process, all five (5) Judges shall be asked to press the button once for the Boxer who has won. The decision is made by the majority of the panel of these five (5) Judges.

yore

efb wrote: »

Simultaneous scoring is gone.

Thanks for the info! I emmigrated a few years ago and haven't kept up to date. Not involved in it since I left.

Jockser123

I've just gone through all the draws for every weight division. There was a Turkish fighter in each weight division and only one has been beaten so far. That makes it 9 out of 10 of their fighters are still in the event. So far that adds up to 20 bouts won and just 1 loss. That's definitely a bit suspicious even if they weren't the home country. The lad who lost must have been massively beaten for him not to get the decision.

Craptacular

I think you're being unfair to the Turks there Jockser.

They've only got 8 boxers left. The HW (91KG) sheet hasn't been updated.

It's impressive that a team with 0 boxers going to the Olympics before the last qualifying tournament took place is now looking at 8 qualifiers. They must really have put the extra effort into their training, right?

ludermor

Anyone know how many Turkish boxers qualified in the previous qualifiers?

the_real_lamp

ludermor wrote: »

Anyone know how many Turkish boxers qualified in the previous qualifiers?

Non qualified at last year's worlds for London, the only qualifier to date.
They had 5 boxers in Beijing and 8 in Athens.

walshb

the_real_lamp wrote: »

Non qualified at last year's worlds for London, the only qualifier to date.
They had 5 boxers in Beijing and 8 in Athens.

The Turkish have always been a good/strong boxing nation with good boxers. Don't see what is so odd that they are doing well in this tournamnent. They are the home nation, and yes, I know, this should be irrelevant, but it never is. If this was held in Ireland would we be saying something is suspect if all our lads are still in with a shout? Did it not occur to anyone that the Turks still left are top class boxers, just like DOJ, Ward, Sheehan etc?

Facts are: Top class amateur boxing is so so competitive. There are fighters who cannot even qualify who really are potential medalists. That is how competitive the boxing is.

Look at Lomachenko in the worlds. Beaten by a nobody, a very good nobody. Decision reversed. The difference between the gold medalist and those losing in the prelims can be a point here and there.

Craptacular

Even though it's more fun to look for conspiracies and home town decisions WalshB is right. The Turks are decent boxers. Keles, for example, is European Champion while Kilicci has a World Bronze medal. There are medal holders and Olympians being surprisingly beaten by boxers from other nations too.

Dodge

The semi finals will be streamed live on rte.ie from 11.30

First Irish in action is Nolan at roughly 1pm

Dodge

Nolan qualifies with brilliant 19-10 win

5 boxers off to London. Matching Beijing. Brilliant stuff

Let's hope Tommy can pull off the miracle now

efb

I thought he had to win the final! Happy days!

walshb

Excellent news!

duagre

I thought we could get five through and anything else would be a bonus.
I would have secretly been a little disappointed if we hadn't been able to match Beijing, and I didn't think we were going to the way this week had unfolded so far. Brilliant news.

Dodge

efb wrote: »

I thought he had to win the final! Happy days!

McCarthy has to win the final. He fights in the semi later

clubwelly

Well done Adam. Great news for Irish boxing. Best of luck to McCarthy later on

Pisco Sour

So 5 already through out of 10 weights (or is it 11?). That is impressive alone. Add on Katie (you would imagine), then the one boxer we have left with a chance in Turkey, and the still reasonable chance that Joe Ward gets the wild card. Things looking very healthy indeed.

walshb

Yes, ten weights. Used to be 11 weighst until they merged some weights.

http://www.aiba.org/default.aspx?pId=4248#

the_real_lamp

Thought Callum Smith (Eng) at 81kg was robbed against the Azeri, who is through to box the Turk who beat Joe Ward in the final.

the_real_lamp

Barnes loses to the Turk 21-14.

Cosmo Kramer

Any chance Smith would be putting his hand up for the wildcard place also? 81kgs seems to be a seriously competitive division.

the_real_lamp

Cosmo Kramer wrote: »

Any chance Smith would be putting his hand up for the wildcard place also? 81kgs seems to be a seriously competitive division.

If the Azeri wins the gold, Smith qualifies, but I would imagine, on home soil, the Turk is the favourite.

Can't see how Smith would qualify for the wildcard if AIBA follow procedure.

walshb

McCarthy is out!:(

duagre

It was a very tough one to get through with only the one place on offer.
He did very well in the tournament.

The_Kew_Tour

Congrats to Adam Nolan who has won Gold Medal just few minutes ago.

walshb

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Congrats to Adam Nolan who has won Gold Medal just few minutes ago.

Brilliant. Adam is deceptively good. Tall, rangey, wicked fast left hand, which straigth as an arrow. He will be a tough fight for any man in London.