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Stay classy Gardai - Mod Note in OP

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    #152
    micropig
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,366 ✭✭✭micropig


    The video doesn't show if the man was wearing pyjamas or not.. This may have been the reason the Gardai reacted as they did


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    #153
    cursai
    Registered Users Posts: 2,915 ✭✭✭cursai


    micropig wrote: »
    The video doesn't show if the man was wearing pyjamas or not.. This may have been the reason the Gardai reacted as they did
    Very good. :)


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    #154
    Mr.Biscuits
    Closed Accounts Posts: 750 ✭✭✭Mr.Biscuits


    To everyone who has said that he should have opened the door - why?

    Firstly, they could clearly hear him as they responded to him and him to them.

    Secondly and more importantly: they kept motioning to him to move his car to the side of the road and so no doubt he was ready to do so once they got out of his way.

    Smashing in his window was done just because they could.

    A clear case of bully-boy tactics and misuse of power.

    Not the first and I dare say won't be the last either.


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    #155
    working fool
    Registered Users Posts: 813 ✭✭✭working fool


    micropig wrote: »
    The video doesn't show if the man was wearing pyjamas or not.. This may have been the reason the Gardai reacted as they did

    His accent wasent Chineese ????


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    #156
    _feedback_
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    steddyeddy wrote: »
    Saw the same thing at a checkpoint in rwanda involving local militants/police force man should have opened the door but smashing a window is the attitude of a thug in uniform.

    The guy wanted them to do it. It has been proven that this guy likes to give out about police "violence". He is the only thug in that video. Although, to use thug is an insult to genuine thugs... Idiot might be more apt.
    Gophur wrote: »
    We have "Police" in Mayo? When was it ceded to the UK?

    Have a look at http://www.garda.ie/. They are our police service.


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    #157
    swimming in a sea
    Registered Users Posts: 937 ✭✭✭swimming in a sea


    cursai wrote: »
    Hmmm.....only two more classes left then your off for the weekend. Waheey!!!:)

    I'm afraid 0 out of 10 for you, university finished 10 years ago and in full employment for a private company, also in total support of the shell project in Mayo.

    Gardai are there to serve the people, not to break the law which he did by breaking the window of this assholes car, he may come up with some bull**** about thinking he had a weapon but truth is he just lost his temper.

    Gardai should operate under a strict set of rules, they should limit discretion thinking to a minimum, as unfortunately most recruits to the Gardai are not the most enlightened.


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    #158
    micropig
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,366 ✭✭✭micropig


    working fool wrote: »
    His accent wasent Chineese ????

    Maybe the driver was a deliverly driver and the food he was about to deliver was cold:D


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    #159
    minidazzler
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    elviscostello wrote: »
    There is no excuse for someone not co-operating. They should do what the guards want instantly. Why should the guards waste their time? They are not co-operating. Do whatever you need to do to take control I would reckon...

    If you look at it as a stand alone thing the garda completely over reacted. I know it wasn't a stand alone thing, nothing in Mayo is, but even so breaking the window and threatening to drag him through it was unnecessary. He wasn't being unco-operative he just wasn't lowering the "broken" window. The Gardai had a few options here and they chose the agressive approach.

    Also, there are some great excuses for no co-operating with the garda, like being someone who chooses not to recognise them as having authority, they can request I do something and I might, but since I don't drive there is little they can demand of me. :)


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    #160
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    cursai wrote: »
    steddyeddy wrote: »
    Saw the same thing at a checkpoint in rwanda involving local militants/police force man should have opened the door but smashing a window is the attitude of a thug in uniform.

    Snigger!!!! I saw a man standing face to face with a tank once in China. Could happen here too. Very possible.

    It could and did happen here too. Isnt that what this thread about :-$. Did the man not smash the other guys window.


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    #161
    d3exile
    Registered Users Posts: 175 ✭✭d3exile


    -sigh-

    right, again i'll say the guards over reacted based on the evidence in the video...

    however if you're a police officer, at a checkpoint and have a duty to perform including inspecting the driver's licence and breathalysing the driver or searching the vehicle if you deem necessary, yet said driver sits parked and just shouting at you from a locked car what do you do?

    window broken or not, surely there are 3 other windows he can open? or open the door. refusing to cooperate will only go so far, and give 2 options, a long standoff where the vehicle and driver stay where they are until he opens his door, or the gardaí force entry to the vehicle... no one anywhere can drive up to a checkpoint, refuse to cooperate and then just drive away, thats just stupid...

    If people believe a driver in any country can pull up to a police checkpoint and just shout at the police from inside his car and refuse to cooperate they have another thing coming, forget the US - try france, germany, spain, italy, australia, poland, china, russia try any country and the police WILL force entry to the car.

    I wholeheartedly believe this video is a non story and as stated by another poster just more whinging by the S2S protesters cos no one is paying attention to them any more...

    I disagree the army should be sent in they aren't trained primarily for situations like S2S and the outcome from the video may very well be tougher, or the same, certainly not softer... the rentacrowd problem in Mayo is a civil matter, and the responsibility of the civil authority whether the protesters recognise the authority or not


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    #162
    tayto lover
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    I have been stopped thousands of times on both sides of the border as I live quite close. Never had a problem. Treat people with respect and you get respect back.
    This lad was on a mission with his camera.


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    #163
    jewett
    Registered Users Posts: 18 ✭jewett


    The Gardai acted like complete thugs in this situation. Getting out a baton to break a window of his car and then threaten him with pepper spray. I mean wtf.

    Next time (the inevitable) cuts are imposed on the Gardai - I will have no f@cking
    sympathy for them. We taxpayers pay their wages. In return, we expect an acceptable level of service. We expect them to act professionally and firmly* but not like complete thugs.

    *(common courtesy would be nice also but they don't teach them that in Templemore)


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    #164
    irelandrover
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    minidazzler wrote: »
    If you look at it as a stand alone thing the garda completely over reacted. I know it wasn't a stand alone thing, nothing in Mayo is, but even so breaking the window and threatening to drag him through it was unnecessary. He wasn't being unco-operative he just wasn't lowering the "broken" window. The Gardai had a few options here and they chose the agressive approach.

    Also, there are some great excuses for no co-operating with the garda, like being someone who chooses not to recognise them as having authority, they can request I do something and I might, but since I don't drive there is little they can demand of me. :)

    He was being uncooperative. He refused to move his car from the middle of the road. He refused to show his license, and he refused to open the door. At that point what do you want the guards to do?


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    #165
    Where To
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,455 ✭✭✭Where To


    To the people who say that the guards over reacted, how long should a person be given to comply with a garda instruction?

    A minute?

    5 minutes?

    10 minutes?

    Half a day?

    A week?

    Indefinitely?


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    #166
    Drake66
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    I never understand the need for this trend of hounding the gardai: they do a great job, one of the best in Europe in my opinion, with limited resources.


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    #167
    d3exile
    Registered Users Posts: 175 ✭✭d3exile


    jewett wrote: »
    The Gardai acted like complete thugs in this situation. Getting out a baton to break a window of his car and then threaten him with pepper spray. I mean wtf.

    Next time (the inevitable) cuts are imposed on the Gardai - I will have no f@cking
    sympathy for them. We taxpayers pay their wages. In return, we expect an acceptable level of service. We expect them to act professionally and firmly* but not like complete thugs.

    *(common courtesy would be nice also but they don't teach them that in Templemore)

    :rolleyes: very interested in your opinion about how the gardaí react to someone who won't open a window or door or cooperate? talk us through it start to finish there, with courtesy :)


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    #168
    _feedback_
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    minidazzler wrote: »
    If you look at it as a stand alone thing the garda completely over reacted. I know it wasn't a stand alone thing, nothing in Mayo is, but even so breaking the window and threatening to drag him through it was unnecessary. He wasn't being unco-operative he just wasn't lowering the "broken" window. The Gardai had a few options here and they chose the agressive approach.

    He was being uncooperative. He didn't move the car to where they asked. Any right minded person would find another way to communicate the "broken motor" problem with Gardai within seconds.

    He made no attempt to co-operate. Even after they broke the window, and threatened the pepper spray, they told him to get out of the car a few times. But he just carried on rambling, he was hoping for it to carry on.

    I hope this issue doesn't make mainstream news, because that is precisely what that idiot wanted when he got in the car that day.


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    #169
    jewett
    Registered Users Posts: 18 ✭jewett


    d3exile wrote: »
    :rolleyes: very interested in your opinion about how the gardaí react to someone who won't open a window or door or cooperate?

    So within 2 minutes of him not opening the window - one of them starts reaching for her baton. ONLY 2 minutes - did they think he had a gun? did they think he had a timed bomb in the car? did they think he was a suicide bomber?


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    #170
    It wasn't me!
    Registered Users Posts: 13,034 ✭✭✭✭It wasn't me!


    jewett wrote: »
    So within 2 minutes of him not opening the window - one them starts reaching for her baton. ONLY 2 minutes - did they think he had a gun? did they think he had a timed bomb in the car? did they think was a suicide bomber?

    2 minutes is a friggin' ridiculous time to take the piss here, and that's what it is. Heavy handed? Maybe, but the guy is taking the piss. It does not take 2 minutes to open the bloody door.


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    #171
    smash
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    Unprovoked? please... the guy was being a tool.

    "I'm going about my business, what's the story here"

    Well clearly it's a checkpoint Einstein!


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    #172
    d3exile
    Registered Users Posts: 175 ✭✭d3exile


    jewett wrote: »
    So within 2 minutes of him not opening the window - one them starts reaching for her baton. ONLY 2 minutes - did they think he had a gun? did they think he had a timed bomb in the car? did they think was a suicide bomber?
    It wasn't me! wrote: »
    2 minutes is a friggin' ridiculous time to take the piss here, and that's what it is. Heavy handed? Maybe, but the guy is taking the piss. It does not take 2 minutes to open the bloody door.

    :rolleyes:losing count of how many times i've said i agree they overreacted here, but only slightly, the more this eejit stayed like he was, breaking the window is the only option.

    so if anyone out there can talk us through how they would handle the situation, given that the car cannot be allowed simply drive away without the gardaí getting to check his licence, him, and his car out... i'd be very interested to hear suggestions from the keyboard experts...:cool:


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    #173
    CptSternn
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    It shows how the Gards operate here in our country.

    Disgraceful.


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    #174
    smash
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    CptSternn wrote: »
    It shows how the Gards operate here in our country.

    Disgraceful.
    Are you trolling? did you watch the video?


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    #175
    hondasam
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    d3exile wrote: »

    so if anyone out there can talk us through how they would handle the situation, given that the car cannot be allowed simply drive away without the gardaí getting to check his licence, him, and his car out... i'd be very interested to hear suggestions from the keyboard experts...:cool:

    He could have gone round to the passengers door before smashing the window.
    The incident probably went on longer than what we seen.
    I do think the guard came across as annoyed/irate, would have been better if he kept his cool.
    They are dealing with this every day and it's always the same people causing aggro and the gardai are fully aware that they are recorded all the time.


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    #176
    lastlaugh
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    smash wrote: »
    Unprovoked? please... the guy was being a tool.

    "I'm going about my business, what's the story here"

    Well clearly it's a checkpoint Einstein!

    The story is if you don't stop acting like a twat you are going to be treated like one.


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    #177
    Gophur
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,921 ✭✭✭Gophur


    elviscostello wrote: »
    ............
    Have a look at http://www.garda.ie/. They are our police service.

    Now , be a good lad, and go back and learn the difference between Police and police! ;)


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    #178
    d3exile
    Registered Users Posts: 175 ✭✭d3exile


    hondasam wrote: »
    He could have gone round to the passengers door before smashing the window.
    The incident probably went on longer than what we seen.
    I do think the guard came across as annoyed/irate, would have been better if he kept his cool.
    They are dealing with this every day and it's always the same people causing aggro and the gardai are fully aware that they are recorded all the time.


    ok 100% agree on the passenger window thing, and the gardaí should have kept their cool more, but the video doesn't show, he could well have walked around the back of the car, or the first female Garda could have, the camera is only forward facing, but yes 100% trying all windows and doors would be a preferential option, but given the driver's attitude it would be reasonable to suggest he wouldn't/ "couldn't" open that one either, what next?

    sooner or later lads if he keeps acting the way he was the window has to go in


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    #179
    ejmaztec
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    For all we know, the driver could have been a regular wind-up-merchant, with a previous record of being a complete tit to the local Guards.


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    #180
    milehip1
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    d3exile wrote: »
    :rolleyes:losing count of how many times i've said i agree they overreacted here, but only slightly, the more this eejit stayed like he was, breaking the window is the only option.

    so if anyone out there can talk us through how they would handle the situation, given that the car cannot be allowed simply drive away without the gardaí getting to check his licence, him, and his car out... i'd be very interested to hear suggestions from the keyboard experts...:cool:


    Hardly the only option, they could have slashed his tyres or keyed the paintwork before moving onto the windows,
    also of course there's always the 'rhode island red light adjuster' ;)
    usually lets people know who's in change.


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    #181
    d3exile
    Registered Users Posts: 175 ✭✭d3exile


    milehip1 wrote: »
    Hardly the only option, they could have slashed his tyres or keyed the paintwork before moving onto the windows,
    also of course there's always the 'rhode island red light adjuster' ;)
    usually lets people who's in change.

    I presume you mean "lets people know who's in charge?"

    so are you proving my point by listing silly things as that you cant think of a better way to get the job done? :pac:


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