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Windows 8 Metro: The fall of windows or the best invention ever
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So who decides when it changes then? and to what... You are always going to have the lovers and the haters... Your opinion is not any less valid that someone who loves it and vice versa.
At what point though do we/they admit they've made a mistake (the million dollar question I suppose!
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While yes the performance increase is to be welcomed, the reaction to this new version has been overwhelmingly negative from all I've read and most of the reasons given aren't just guys with a fear of change, but rather an objection to change for change's sake - especially where those changes make getting your work done more difficult.
Win 8 will work fine on a tablet - I've no doubt of that - but what we know as the traditional desktop (which is where 99% of Windows users will spend their time) has been crippled as a result of MS forcing this Windows Phone/not-Metro interface on us. If it was an optional install during Setup, or could just be removed from Windows Components I'd have no problem with it.
But we'll see how it plays out.. I still think it'll come to a head when the OEM's start complaining about slow 3rd/4th quarter sales as a result of all this0 -
Kaiser2000 wrote: »At what point though do we/they admit they've made a mistake (the million dollar question I suppose!).
While yes the performance increase is to be welcomed, the reaction to this new version has been overwhelmingly negative from all I've read and most of the reasons given aren't just guys with a fear of change, but rather an objection to change for change's sake - especially where those changes make getting your work done more difficult.
Win 8 will work fine on a tablet - I've no doubt of that - but what we know as the traditional desktop (which is where 99% of Windows users will spend their time) has been crippled as a result of MS forcing this Windows Phone/not-Metro interface on us. If it was an optional install during Setup, or could just be removed from Windows Components I'd have no problem with it.
But we'll see how it plays out.. I still think it'll come to a head when the OEM's start complaining about slow 3rd/4th quarter sales as a result of all this
Most I have seen are cautiously positive, I suppose it depends on the circles you frequent. I am personally not going to call it a success or failure until the end of the forth quarter....
Do you want to know something evil.... I kind of hope it fails, the idea is solid but I felt parts of the implementation were lazy, the WP7 version of metro is much slicker and I feel desktop metro didn't look at user interaction enough... All it would take is one OS failure for Metro to get the fire up it's arse that it needs.
I don't think we will see a revert to desktop but I to see changes to what metro currently is.0 -
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Most I have seen are cautiously positive, I suppose it depends on the circles you frequent. I am personally not going to call it a success or failure until the end of the forth quarter....
Do you want to know something evil.... I kind of hope it fails, the idea is solid but I felt parts of the implementation were lazy, the WP7 version of metro is much slicker and I feel desktop metro didn't look at user interaction enough... All it would take is one OS failure for Metro to get the fire up it's arse that it needs.
I don't think we will see a revert to desktop but I to see changes to what metro currently is.
I think it's far too early to make any kind of call on its reception, only Technet/MSDN/Volume Licence subscribers have access to the RTM version so far and the people who'll be trying it out based on such access don't have a great deal of overlap in terms of expectations and usage patterns with the mythical layperson. I'd agree that the end of the fourth quarter is a better point at which to measure its reception - let's see how it fares once everyone getting a new computer for Christmas has had time to make their mind up on it 0 -
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Not everything
Disk management is a feature I use a lot. In W8 it takes a right click with the pointer in bottom left and then just a single click (so 2 easy clicks in total)
You tell me how many clicks it takes in W7! (hint it is 5
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Like yourself I also installed Office 2013 preview and I much prefer it to Office 2010. The smooth cell changes in Excel are sweet
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Click 1: Start.
Click 2: Right Click Computer
Click 3: Select Manage
Click 4: Select Disk Mangement0 -
Kaiser2000 wrote: »You've highlighted right there what I think is the biggest problem with the new Windows/Office - the sacrifice of functionality for pretty effects
Perhaps the pretty effects annoy a hardcore efficiency-driven user like yourself
The majority of Office users are office workers who are more productive when they find the look and feel of a product nicer. To be fair Office 2013 feels so much smoother and nicer to work with in the week or two I've been using it now. I never got to like 2010, in fact it is the only version of Office (and I've used them all) that I disliked.4
Click 1: Start.
Click 2: Right Click Computer
Click 3: Select Manage
Click 4: Select Disk Mangement
I'll take your word for it - I don't have Windows 7 here anymore
From memory I used to go start -> ctrl panel -> admin tools -> computer mngmt -> disk mngmt0 -
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To each their own I guess.. personally I think Office 2013 looks very washed out and "cartoonish" - in fact that's a good word to describe Windows 8 in general, from the log in screen to the oversized gaudy blocks that passes as a Start MenuPerhaps the pretty effects annoy a hardcore efficiency-driven user like yourself
The majority of Office users are office workers who are more productive when they find the look and feel of a product nicer. To be fair Office 2013 feels so much smoother and nicer to work with in the week or two I've been using it now. I never got to like 2010, in fact it is the only version of Office (and I've used them all) that I disliked.
Give me Aero glass over that any day
Incidentally, I let a few users have a go at the Windows 8 test laptop I set up today without any comment from me. Although they were certainly curious, frustration and a sense of disconnect quickly set in as things that are considered fundamental basics are moved, hidden or not there at all.
None of them asked for it to be installed on their machines after playing with it either
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Well, those of us who are dealing with other people's **** on a daily basis will have to get used to it, whether we like it or not. Windows 8 is here to stay and it will be on every new OEM computer. Sure, some will be begging on their knees for a "downgrade", but most users don't really care once they have found out how to get into their facebooks.
Personally, I think MS have taken a very wrong turn, the moment they ditched the old Longhorn kernel (based on Windows 2003) and rewrote Vista from scratch, so to speak.0 -
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It certainly sounds better but it wasn't the "ambitious aims", MS have caved to demands from the content industry.This post has been deleted.
There have always been attempts by Microsoft, to "strip back" their operating systems.... Windows FLP or Windows 7 Starter are other such examples. The former being the fastest XP you could get from MS, the latter too crippled in it's functionality (user can't even change the wallpaper w/o hacks). Anyone remember Windows "Orion"? It was a leaked sneak peek, early Windows XP sans the "Fisher Price" GUI.
I'd much prefer a basic operating system and let people choose whether they want the bloat or not. Great fan of nLite/vLite, you'd be surprised what can be removed from Windows without crippling it. 0 -
Kaiser2000 wrote: »Incidentally, I let a few users have a go at the Windows 8 test laptop I set up today without any comment from me. Although they were certainly curious, frustration and a sense of disconnect quickly set in as things that are considered fundamental basics are moved, hidden or not there at all.
None of them asked for it to be installed on their machines after playing with it either
I bet you didn't offer your users a start menu option, did you? 0 -
Anyway what's the story with enterprise licenses? A few of ye here seem to be in that game.
For home users, a windows license or upgrade has never been this cheap.
For any user, home or business, windows has never been this fast. Or this stable. Or this quick to boot up. That's all I am saying 0 -
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Anyway what's the story with enterprise licenses? A few of ye here seem to be in that game.
For home users, a windows license or upgrade has never been this cheap.
For any user, home or business, windows has never been this fast. Or this stable. Or this quick to boot up. That's all I am saying
Win 8 Pro RTM is up on the volume licence system now, and I'm burning a DVD of the Win 8 Enterprise Preview as I type to see how it runs.
My current workplace is massively fragmented to the extent that in my department of 150ish people we can, by and large, run our own services (system provisioning, software deployment & support, inventories etc). We obviously make use of a few central services (network access, email/calendaring) but for most stuff the 3 person team of which I'm part is the main source of IT support.
I don't have the time or inclination to spend a massive amount conducting a test of all the various software packages that we use at the desktop or in lab systems to make sure it won't misbehave on Win 8. Even if I did, the same issue goes double for preparing a migration project to move users to Win 8. I'd do it for Win 7 now, because we've had time to comprehensively verify that it works well with everything we need to use and we've still got a bunch of people using XP or Vista dotted around the place. Win 8 can go hang for at least 6 months.
Larger, more structured enterprises take a similar, though more deeply entrenched view. The Big Corporate I worked for before moving to London ran a project in which I participated in 2006, whose goal was to migrate its userbase from Win2k to WinXP. That's how long it had taken for them to:- identify some version of XP that could be treated as a suitable replacement for 2k
- test it to determine that it was free of complications
- prepare a project for its packaging into the software management system, its deployment at the desktop, and the migration of the win2k users
- obtain funding and contractor staff for the project
- actually run through the months-long implementation stage for the project
Any enterprise on Win7 is going to look at win 8 and say "give it at least 6 months, possibly 2 years, and then we'll talk". That's before they even look at what benefits it brings, because the de facto costs are:- teaching people how to use it again
- figuring out how to manage it
- finding all the kinks that make it disrupt your productive work processes and fixing them
Any enterprise not already on Win 7 is using workplace tools that depend on ie6 and so is using XP. Extended support for XP runs out in 2014, at which point they'll be stuck - but that still gives them a year and a half in which to plan and deploy their new OS.
Shaving a few seconds off the boot-up time doesn't cut the mustard as far as "reasons to upgrade" go in the enterprise context (aside from anything else, the first thing they'd need to verify is that the benefits are still present when booting a domain-bound system which has to load a remote roaming profile). Neither is "It's stable, or at least has been in the few days I've used it" (because it's only been out a relatively short period of time, and anyway it's not like Windows 7 is unstable). The next thing they'd have to figure out is whether the benefit to the business of this improvements is actually worth the cost of the upgrade project, software revalidation, and user training that will be involved.0 -
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