Ragweek thread time

KittyeeTrix

Any word on what town is like tonight?

skelliser

at the risk of getting lynched!


WHAT RIOT?!!

people being rowdy and singing and chanting is all that i can see.
i didnt see any violence, i didnt see anyone breaking anything and i didnt see any angry mob.

JohnCleary

"Cancel RAG Week", they said

"Be grand", they said

lolz.

Eman Resu

skelliser wrote: »

at the risk of getting lynched!


WHAT RIOT?!!

people being rowdy and singing and chanting is all that i can see.
i didnt see any violence, i didnt see anyone breaking anything and i didnt see any angry mob.

A mob, doesn't need to be angry to be dangerous. (to it's self, (and yes it is a seperate entity to it's particapents), and to others!)

dilallio

Mars Bar wrote: »

Any profits Supermac's made will be spent on fixing the ceiling and cleaning up the place.

No disrespect Mars Bar, but Supermacs are a business who stay open late because of the money made when people leave pubs / night clubs. The profit made from 2am - 3:30am exceeds that for any other time of the day.

While the situation inside Supermacs was very dangerous the other night, and could have ended a lot worse, it could have been avoided if they had only allowed a safe number of people inside the doors. A stampede would have been very serious and thank goodness it didn't happen.

Supermacs didn't cause the crowd to congregate inside, but they have a responsibility to their customers & staff to ensure that they operate in a safe manner. I'm sure they have learnt a few lessons from the other night.

squonk

The worst of the lot was the idiot chucking the flare into the air outside Supermacs. That guy needs his head examined. Luckilly everybody got out of the way but when you have to think that most of the crowd had a few on them, you couldn't be surprised to think it could have ended far worse.

Inside Supermacs looked harmless enough and a bit of craic but if a row broke out it could have spread pretty quickly and then things could have gotten serious. I got the impression the crowd rushed the doors and if that was the case, Security wasn't really in a position to do a lot about it. What happens next year though? Are we going to see an annual 'Occupy Shmacks' movement? Nobody denies that Rag Week is meant to be a bit of craic but if it gets to the point where someone is seriously injured or worse, then the craic stops fairly quickly.

People in the wider community really cannot be blamed for thinking students are shedding crocodile tears protesting about college fees when you see the type of carry on over the past few days. Speaking for myself, when I was in college I didn't have the money or the time to go on the piss for an entire week. That was the early 90's and things then were different as there wasn't the same amount of money floating around.

shampoosuicide

squonk wrote: »

The worst of the lot was the idiot chucking the flare into the air outside Supermacs. That guy needs his head examined. Luckilly everybody got out of the way but when you have to think that most of the crowd had a few on them, you couldn't be surprised to think it could have ended far worse.

Inside Supermacs looked harmless enough and a bit of craic but if a row broke out it could have spread pretty quickly and then things could have gotten serious. I got the impression the crowd rushed the doors and if that was the case, Security wasn't really in a position to do a lot about it. What happens next year though? Are we going to see an annual 'Occupy Shmacks' movement? Nobody denies that Rag Week is meant to be a bit of craic but if it gets to the point where someone is seriously injured or worse, then the craic stops fairly quickly.

People in the wider community really cannot be blamed for thinking students are shedding crocodile tears protesting about college fees when you see the type of carry on over the past few days. Speaking for myself, when I was in college I didn't have the money or the time to go on the piss for an entire week. That was the early 90's and things then were different as there wasn't the same amount of money floating around.

lol...yeah man, ireland's rolling in the money these days. you don't actually need that much money to get drunk or go on a session, as many of my skint friends can testify.

maybe you were just a bit dry?

as for these guys, not the type of people i'd like to go drinking with tbh, but yeah, high jinks, whatever.

Zzippy

shampoosuicide wrote: »

lol...yeah man, ireland's rolling in the money these days. you don't actually need that much money to get drunk or go on a session, as many of my skint friends can testify.

maybe you were just a bit dry?

as for these guys, not the type of people i'd like to go drinking with tbh, but yeah, high jinks, whatever.

He's right. Living standards and disposable income in the early 90s were an awful lot lower than today, even with the recession on. There were full college fees to pay. Most families were still broke after the recession in the 80s, which was a LOT worse than this one.
I was a student then too, worked a job 4 nights a week to pay for college, hurling training 2 other nights, lucky to have a few quid for pints one night a week. Most of my mates were the same. No chance you could go on the piss for a week.

If you're a student now, be grateful you have the money, don't mock people for being dry if they don't agree with drunken carry-on like the other night.

dloob

If the flare guy was a student I'm guessing he won't be for much longer.
At least he had the "craic"

http://www.galwaynews.ie/24449-file-dpp-after-flare-incident-city

A file is to be sent to the DPP after a flare was lit outside a take away in Eyre Square in the early hours of Thursday.

A man in his early 20s was arrested following the incident at Supermacs, where up to 100 people were gathered.

dmcg90

dloob wrote: »

If the flare guy was a student I'm guessing he won't be for much longer.
At least the had the "craic"

http://www.galwaynews.ie/24449-file-dpp-after-flare-incident-city

What kind of idiot brings a flare on a night out?

JohnCleary

dmcg90 wrote: »

What kind of idiot brings a flare on a night out?

"Is that a rocket in your pocket?"

markesmith

shampoosuicide wrote: »

lol...yeah man, ireland's rolling in the money these days. you don't actually need that much money to get drunk or go on a session, as many of my skint friends can testify.

maybe you were just a bit dry?

as for these guys, not the type of people i'd like to go drinking with tbh, but yeah, high jinks, whatever.

In the early 90s, 'skint' for a lot of people didn't mean that you couldn't afford that extra shot of espresso in your breakfast latte.

Like the other poster said, there's a lot more money around in this here recession.

the groutch

only way to stop stuff like this, is for the colleges to make an official announcement before "Social" Week: "If you get arrested, you're expelled".

joeKel73

squonk wrote: »

People in the wider community really cannot be blamed for thinking students are shedding crocodile tears protesting about college fees when you see the type of carry on over the past few days. .

Just remember that if that was 1000 people out on the lash, that's still only 4% of Galway's student population. I was in college before 9am today and the campus was busy, people in the library, people going to lectures. So bear in mind that it only takes a tiny percentage to get every student painted with the same brush.

Un-Occupy Supermacs. We are the 96%. :cool:

I wouldn't feel sorry for Supermacs though, they still probably made a serious profit on the night after any damages get repaired. They should have had sufficient security to keep the crowd out.

celty

celty wrote: »

Amazing how people who can afford to be locked out of their minds at 3 in the morning outside Supermac's, roaring their heads off in celebration cos some idiot let off a flare, can be the paragons of virtue we see complaining about college fees and the financial hardships they have to endure.

That's horrible s**te talk in fairness. Why shouldn't students be entitled to have a bit of money to spend as they want? Should every cent they have go towards fees etc sure you would have no life if that was the case.

I worked some fridays and almost every Saturday and 4 months of the summer through college and went out twice every week, Thursday and Saturday, if I hadn't gone out them nights I still wouldn't have been in a better position to pay the registration fee never mind full fees without leaving myself stone broke. Luckily my parents always paid for things like reg fees as they feel that money you earn in a summer job should be yours to spend on yourself.

shampoosuicide

Zzippy wrote: »

He's right. Living standards and disposable income in the early 90s were an awful lot lower than today, even with the recession on. There were full college fees to pay. Most families were still broke after the recession in the 80s, which was a LOT worse than this one.
I was a student then too, worked a job 4 nights a week to pay for college, hurling training 2 other nights, lucky to have a few quid for pints one night a week. Most of my mates were the same. No chance you could go on the piss for a week.

If you're a student now, be grateful you have the money, don't mock people for being dry if they don't agree with drunken carry-on like the other night.

it's still a stupid, self-righteous way of looking at things. are students supposed to spend their days sitting in a candlelit room eating baked beans? rag week is rag week, it doesn't change the fact that a lot of students are struggling to make ends meet.

and no, i'm not one.

baldshin

Kendrick Harsh Electricity wrote: »

Luckily my parents always paid for things like reg fees as they feel that money you earn in a summer job should be yours to spend on yourself.

Eh, is paying the registration fees not something that is for yourself?? My parents felt the same way, which is why they haven't given me a penny since the day I turned 18, soon after which I moved out and put myself through 5 years of college without any sort of loan or debts.

Red_Wake

shampoosuicide wrote: »

it's still a stupid, self-righteous way of looking at things. are students supposed to spend their days sitting in a candlelit room eating baked beans? rag week is rag week, it doesn't change the fact that a lot of students are struggling to make ends meet.

and no, i'm not one.

How much is the registration fee these days?

And how much would you expect to spend on a night out?

shampoosuicide

Red_Wake wrote: »

How much is the registration fee these days?

And how much would you expect to spend on a night out?

as i said, i'm not a student. so i don't know.

personally, as a non-student, i can get drunk and have a night out on 15euro.

this just reminds me of the riots in London and people going on about what sneakers the rioters were wearing. 'look at their shoes, they're not poor!'

the poor: the internet has their number.

squonk

shampoosuicide wrote: »

lol...yeah man, ireland's rolling in the money these days. you don't actually need that much money to get drunk or go on a session, as many of my skint friends can testify.

maybe you were just a bit dry?

as for these guys, not the type of people i'd like to go drinking with tbh, but yeah, high jinks, whatever.

No mate, I just went to a Uni where you had to do some serious work to get your degree.

shampoosuicide

squonk wrote: »

No mate, I just went to a Uni where you had to do some serious work to get your degree.

so it's not really to do with money at all then?

Mrs OBumble

the groutch wrote: »

only way to stop stuff like this, is for the colleges to make an official announcement before "Social" Week: "If you get arrested, you're expelled".

Even I think that would be a bit harsh - what if someone gets arrested for something totally unrelated to college, maybe on the other side of the country. What if they get arrested, but the charge is dropped due to lack of evidence. Etc.

But the college could easily stop it, by having a bunch of assignment deadlines, terms-tests, etc.

When I was a maths student, we had compusory weekly assignments: they didn't even count to the final mark, but if you didn't get 90% of 'em in on time you didn't get to sit the exam.

squonk

Well there are two factors.

1. My course generally kept me very busy with projects and assessments. We had a lot going on. You could bunk off a day maybe and get away with it but any longer and you fell behind.

2. The money just wasn't there either. Lots of families were paying full fees and generally students made do with the money they earned working. Students didn't have things like cars or, in a lot of cases, PC's at home. What you got was what you got and you had to organise your socialising around how much money was left over. Yeah, you could do blowouts but not often. Generally free drinks vouchers were a welcome thing.

It's maybe hard to get across but there is very little comparison that you can draw between the current recession and that of the 80's and the aftermath in the early 90's. You might consider me dry poster but I generally only bothered with Rag Week for a day or two of it. In our place it wasn't marvellous anyway but taking money and coursework into account, it wasn't a week to go on the lark and spend on alcohol like there was no tomorrow.

squonk

JustMary wrote: »

But the college could easily stop it, by having a bunch of assignment deadlines, terms-tests, etc.

When I was a maths student, we had compusory weekly assignments: they didn't even count to the final mark, but if you didn't get 90% of 'em in on time you didn't get to sit the exam.

Well said JM. In my case too my assignments all counted in my end of year mark. If you went on the beer for the week you were just codding yourself. Having said that, you couldn't afford to anyway. If there's work to be done then it'll stop people going mad for the week and those that do won't be back for the next year. Eventually the message will sink in that you can have fun on Rag Week by all means but take it too far and it'll be your last.

baldshin

baldshin wrote: »

Eh, is paying the registration fees not something that is for yourself?? My parents felt the same way, which is why they haven't given me a penny since the day I turned 18, soon after which I moved out and put myself through 5 years of college without any sort of loan or debts.

For myself meant for day to day stuff, buying clothes, lunch, running a car etc (I lived at home all through undergrad). Things like education they always paid for and thankfully they didn't have the opinion that once your 18 your on your own. Even with a job they would still give me some extra money too and I gave up work altogether in final year so of course they helped me out, same for my sisters luckily enough like how could she afford to go to college and pay for accommodation as there are no jobs out there and even if they were working part time wont pay 100's of euro a month for accommodation never mind reg fees etc. Sacrificing college especially in final year because of having to work is detrimental imo, I doubt I would have gotten the result I did had I to work in final year, you need some time off when your studying hard.

It might have been doable a few years when work was handy to get and paid well but even then you would have nothing left, you have your whole life to be worried about money etc college should be enjoyed as much as you can in my opinion, while getting on well in your chosen course at the same time.

Also before anyone points it out I know the amount of money people can afford to give their children varies a lot especially in these times but its the attitude that "once your 18 your on your own" that gets to me, its counter productive imo. If they can help out they should to some degree at least.

squonk wrote: »

Well said JM. In my case too my assignments all counted in my end of year mark. If you went on the beer for the week you were just codding yourself. Having said that, you couldn't afford to anyway. If there's work to be done then it'll stop people going mad for the week and those that do won't be back for the next year. Eventually the message will sink in that you can have fun on Rag Week by all means but take it too far and it'll be your last.

I had a number of labs etc every year during rag week, I never missed them and it never stopped me going on the beer for the week either.

muppetkiller

Kendrick Harsh Electricity wrote: »

Why shouldn't students be entitled to have a bit of money to spend as they want? .

You lost me at 'entitled', God I Hate that word.
You're only entitled to something when you own it and paid for it out of your own pocket....Everything else is paid for by someone else.

But I do believe that Students should enjoy their college life too...It's probably the best period of your life so live it up. But just don't expect the country or your parents to pay for it

evil_seed

muppetkiller wrote: »

You lost me at 'entitled', God I Hate that word.
You're only entitled to something when you own it and paid for it out of your own pocket....Everything else is paid for by someone else.

But I do believe that Students should enjoy their college life too...It's probably the best period of your life so live it up. But just don't expect the country or your parents to pay for it

Entitled is the problem. There's too many of students nowadays with that attitude that they are entitled to whatever they want, including going mental and disrespecting people and their surroundings

Zzippy

First mention I've seen in mainstream media...

http://www.galwaynews.ie/24445-garda%C3%AD-shut-pub-over-student-antics

Gardai were forced to clear a city centre pub of customers this week as an all-day drinking session got out of hand while students celebrated an unofficial Rag Week which has no backing from the city’s two third level colleges.

The Gardaí emptied the Hole in the Wall pub on Eyre Street at about 7pm on Tuesday following health and safety concerns from the city’s fire brigade, who were fearful that too many inebriated young people were gathered in the pub.

A ‘Donegal Day’ celebration at the pub, organised through social networking site Facebook, attracted hundreds of revellers as students began queuing up from before 11am to take part in an event which is frowned upon by the authorities at NUI Galway and GMIT.

Gardaí were also called to house parties in the traditional student areas of Renmore, Dun na Coiribe, and Newcastle during what they have described as a “busier than normal” week, after 15 people were arrested for public order offences on Monday night.

Although students at both colleges voted overwhelmingly to cancel Rag Week this year, following unprecedented drunken scenes 12 months ago, a minority used the internet to forge ahead with plans for an unofficial ‘Social Week’ which began on Monday.

A small minority of city pubs have been accused of “exploiting” the fact that Rag Week has been banned by putting on special daytime drinks promotions, and a spokesman for the Hole in the Wall was unavailable for comment when contacted by the Galway City Tribune yesterday.

Videos uploaded onto social networking sites have shown hundreds of drunken students celebrating after a flare was let off outside the Supermac’s outlet in Eyre Square in the early hours, while hundreds more packed the premises inside.

Student leaders at both NUIG and GMIT have reiterated their opposition to ‘Social Week’ festivities after the vast majority of representatives at both colleges voted in favour of cancelling Rag Week this year.

“It does not seem very responsible for pubs in the city centre to publicise all-day drinking events on Facebook. It is unfortunate that some people will try to exploit the fact that Rag Week has been banned, filling people with drink from 11am,” said NUI Galway Students’ Union President Emmett

dloob

I wonder when the license renewal for the Hole in the Wall is?
Should be a few interesting comments from Judge Fahy that day.
I could see her not granting it too.

dulpit

rarnes1 wrote: »

Students in having fun shocker...

I think he was referring to the fact that the students were packed into supermacs, while other people outside had a flare, they generally made **** of the place and (bizarrely) sang IRA songs...