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Meat is murder, tasty, tasty murder . . .
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You do realise that thinking vegetarians are irrational, is actually an irrational thought, as there is no irrationality in not eating meat. People, in fact whole societies, especially over vast tracts of Asia, have been doing it for thousands of years, it is quite normal.--Kaiser-- wrote: »Yes, I think vegetarians are ill-informed and/or irrational, that's my opinion and I have a right to it, just like you have to yours. I responded to posts in this thread stating eating animals is immoral. If no one posted that, I wouldn't have posted anything
Your thinking there is something odd about it, just shows how much about the world you have yet to learn.
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Cú Giobach wrote: »You do realise that thinking vegetarians are irrational, is actually an irrational thought, as there is no irrationality in not eating meat. People, in fact whole societies, especially over vast tracts of Asia, have been doing it for thousands of years, it is quite normal.
Your thinking there is something odd about it, just shows how much about the world you have yet to learn.
Equally, thinking some who thinks not eating meat is irrational is in itself irrational. People, in fact whole societies, have been eating meat for thousands of years, it is quite normal. You also have a lot to learn0 -
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You're not very good at this are you.Equally, thinking some who thinks not eating meat is irrational is in itself irrational.
Why is it irrational believing that it is irrational for someone to think vegitatianism is irrational?
Yea so?People, in fact whole societies, have been eating meat for thousands of years, it is quite normal.
About what?You also have a lot to learn
Sorry but what ever you tried to do here doesn't actually work.
I don't have the money to buy a Ferrari, would you say I don't have the right to buy one? Right ≠ OptionNot really, you have the luxury of choosing what to eat, most of Africa doesn't have that right.
Just because someone would eat a cow if they are starving, is not an argument to eat one when they are not. :rolleyes:We'll all see how much of a luxury food is if the population continues to increase as their may not be enough of it to go around. I don't think people in the west can really appreciate food until they spend some time starving, then morals would go right out the window.
As I said earlier, if I was starving I would eat a dog, but I will not sit down to one tonight for my dinner.0 -
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What part of "meat is not essential for a healthy diet" do you not understand? Just repeating over and over again that it is, isn't going to change the fact that it isn't.--Kaiser-- wrote: »Vitamin B12 is not made by animals, no. It is made by bacteria of herbivorous animals, from which we obtain it when (if) we consume animal products. Omega 3s are another essential nutrient only available in sufficent quantities from animal sources. Since these are essential for human development (especially brain development) it follows that humans evolved eating animal products as a part of our diet. These days we can supplement and what-have-you but my argument is that the healthiest diet for humans is the diet that our ancestors have been eating for well over 100,000 years, i.e. including meat. This is why I will never be a vegan or vegetarian and eat a paleo diet.
Many people eat a veg diet because it's healthy, and not for moral reasons.
We evolved to eat insects too, they were a major part of our diet and a huge proportion of the world's population get a substantial amount of their protein from them still. Are we in the West irrational because we don't today?
If you want to eat as people did over the course of our recent evolution you should be advocating doing that also.
You really are obsessed with this utterly ridiculous irrational non-point.That said, since animals are an ideal part of one's diet, I find the idea that killing animals (humanely raised and slaughtered) is ludicrous. Just as ludicrous as saying a tiger is wrong to kill a deer. Vegetarians and vegans conveniently ignore all the animals displaced by large scale agriculture, all the animals killed as part of pest control, all the animals killed by harvesting equipment and other parts involved in bringing vegetarian/vegan food to one's plate. The fact that vegetarians\vegans think one type of animal death (bearing in mind I'm referring to humanely raised animals) is wrong and another type is alright leads me to think that someone with such a view is either ill-informed, irrational, or bits of both.
If I was in Korea I wouldn't eat dog meat, because 1. the thought repulses me and 2. I wouldn't want to be part of the "process". Am I irrational for feeling that way along with most Westerners? Many people feel that way about cows, pigs, sheep etc, who the fuck are you to tell them they are irrational, or ill informed.
The irony of you telling people they are irrational or ill-informed when you spout nonsense about veg diets being unhealthy and meat production somehow has less impact on the environment than veg, is stunning. Animals eat veg and huge amounts of that energy goes into keeping them alive till slaughter and does not make its way to the human consumer, whereas veg goes direct without any "third party". Your seem to have this naieve notion that animals live off fresh air or something.
That the ridiculous amount of meat being eaten in the west is causing a lot of environmental damage and will be unsustainable as the worlds population increases is a well known fact.
You can tell people to stop telling you what to eat, but why don't you stop spouting idiotic nonsense to try to justify yourself telling them what to eat.
As for your stupid tiger comments, a tiger would have no problem eating a 10 year old child, am I morally inept for not wanting to do the same?
Why don't you join us here in the real word it's not that bad.0 -
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Cú Giobach wrote: »What part of "meat is not essential for a healthy diet" do you not understand? Just repeating over and over again that it is, isn't going to change the fact that it isn't.
Many people eat a veg diet because it's healthy, and not for moral reasons.
We evolved to eat insects too, they were a major part of our diet and a huge proportion of the world's population get a substantial amount of their protein from them still. Are we in the West irrational because we don't today?
If you want to eat as people did over the course of our recent evolution you should be advocating doing that also.
You really are obsessed with this utterly ridiculous irrational non-point.
If I was in Korea I wouldn't eat dog meat, because 1. the thought repulses me and 2. I wouldn't want to be part of the "process". Am I irrational for feeling that way along with most Westerners? Many people feel that way about cows, pigs, sheep etc, who the fuck are you to tell them they are irrational, or ill informed.
The irony of you telling people they are irrational or ill-informed when you spout nonsense about veg diets being unhealthy and meat production somehow has less impact on the environment than veg, is stunning. Animals eat veg and huge amounts of that energy goes into keeping them alive till slaughter and does not make its way to the human consumer, whereas veg goes direct without any "third party". Your seem to have this naieve notion that animals live off fresh air or something.
That the ridiculous amount of meat being eaten in the west is causing a lot of environmental damage and will be unsustainable as the worlds population increases is a well known fact.
You can tell people to stop telling you what to eat, but why don't you stop spouting idiotic nonsense to try to justify yourself telling them what to eat.
As for your stupid tiger comments, a tiger would have no problem eating a 10 year old child, am I morally inept for not wanting to do the same?
Why don't you join us here in the real word it's not that bad.
If there was a cogent argument anywhere in your long, rambling, disjointed post I would bother with a reply. As it is, I won't waste my (metaphorical) breath0 -
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