The pub loses its pulling power

mikemac1

privacyconcern wrote: »

I suspect this attitude towards "fcuk the publicans, c3nts" would not be so prevelant had the recession not taken a stronghold. Irish people loved the pub when times were good and they had two pennies to rub together. We live in precarious times. The destruction of culture in favour for the police state is afoot:D

Publicans are fond of sitting back and moaning

The smoking ban wasn't a disaster, it's an opportunity. Have the best beer garden in town and stand out from the others. Ok, space limitations mean not everyone can

A family run pub can drop locals home at the end of the night or work out some voucher system with a local hackney service. The driver gets custom, the customers get a free or cheap fare home and the publican attracts people.

Diageo and Heineken Ireland have a lot of power and stingy credit terms but get some craft beers and you'll be one of the few who has these. Advertise them, do a trial night so people can get taster samples. You'll stand out

Sure if you had clean toilets you'd even stand out from the others. Toilets in some places are a disgrace and there is no excuse for it :mad:

I don't have all the solutions but lobbying for the good old days and crying over it won't work

Biggins

mikemac1 wrote: »

Publicans are fond of sitting back and moaning

The smoking ban wasn't a disaster, it's an opportunity...

...lobbying for the good old days and crying over it won't work

Well said!
I couldn't agree more and would thank that post a hundred times if I could!

Cantona's Collars

arse..biscuits wrote: »

What a strange thing to say. Firstly, your sentence doesn't make sense but also every christening I have ever heard of has been in a pub.

+1 Often the local pub is the only place that can cater for a crowd and generally takes care of the food,music etc.Plus you don't have your friends & relation's kids wrecking your house.

Dublin is strange when it comes to the price of drink,you can get royally ripped off or find a pub with reasonable prices,no real uniform price across the board.Competition generally leads to lower prices but not with pubs.

A while ago I was in Manchester and we were advised not to go to The Printworks by some locals in another pub we were drinking in 'cos they said it was overpriced.We went anyway and were surprised to find pints of Lager were £1.50.Somewhere similar in this country and you'd pay an average of a fiver a pint.

Jesus Wept

Delighted for them.

Turpentine

amacachi wrote: »

**** them. I'm still yet to see evidence that supermarkets are selling below cost either so that excuse is out.

Are you joking?

Supermarkets are selling crates of beer cheaper than the listed price (before VAT is even added) that is available on a wholesalers price-list.

Maybe you have yet to see evidence because you have no idea what you're talking about with regard to the industry.

gurramok

And they put up the price of pints on a rugby night! Recently they charged 5.50 for a Guinness when Wales played Ireland, it was usually 4.50 at 2am in the morning.

Ever notice Temple Bar pubs have a minority of Irish drinkers? Its the price.

PickledLime

Ye think the price of drink is bad - try being a non drinker. I've to pay €2.30 to €2.50 for 150ml of 7-Up.

Yet if you call into the local supermarket you can have 2 litres of the stuff for the same bloody price! :eek:

irish_goat

gurramok wrote: »

And they put up the price of pints on a rugby night! Recently they charged 5.50 for a Guinness when Wales played Ireland, it was usually 4.50 at 2am in the morning.

Ever notice Temple Bar pubs have a minority of Irish drinkers? Its the price.

Who are "they"? There are plenty of places that do offers on match days. I was getting pints of O'Hara's for €3.50 in Doyles during the Ireland-Wales match. You just need to shop around more.

amacachi

Turpentine wrote: »

Are you joking?

Supermarkets are selling crates of beer cheaper than the listed price (before VAT is even added) that is available on a wholesalers price-list.

Maybe you have yet to see evidence because you have no idea what you're talking about with regard to the industry.

Link pls. There's a coupla percent difference in duty and 3% difference in VAT between here and NI. I somehow doubt that off-licences are selling below cost in NI (it being their only income) and it's only now that offlicences here are getting close to similar prices.

LIDL sell 6 bottles of Perlinbacher for 6.29. Sometimes they sell it at 4.29. Legally The least they can sell it at would be 60c per bottle as it's a 5% beer. When selling it at 6.29 about 2.20 of that isn't anything to do with VAT or duty or whatever.
Dutch Gold is a quid a can and 4.3%. Out of the quid 40c of that is nothing to do with tax.

flanders1979

My rural publican friend admitted to me the only reason he doesn't sell good quality strong beers is that most of his customers wouldn't be able to drink 10 pints of the stuff, which would cut into his profits. I hate shyte beer.
I couldn't give two fcuks if the toilet is a hole in the ground and the only food are taytos as long as the beer is potent.
No wonder you hear about all these bogman heroes who downed 30 pints at a wedding as they are drinking fcuking watery slop.

SureYWouldntYa

TwoShedsJackson wrote: »

Cannot believe they managed to get through that article without referring directly to the main problem - the prices in pubs as opposed to drinking at home, and it's attendant problem, the unwillingness of publicans to lower prices to compete.

They act like they're some sort of special group that have a right to keep their prices twice that of the competitor yet still expect the business.

What everyone seems to be forgetting is there is also other costs taken into account when your drink costs so much. Is the electricity free? or the heating? or the sky sports you so enjoy? €3.70 for a pint is not that bad. It costs €1.30-€1.60 for the cost of the pint. The rest of the money goes towards the other parts of a pub people seem to forget but like moaning about when at home

gurramok

irish_goat wrote: »

Who are "they"? There are plenty of places that do offers on match days. I was getting pints of O'Hara's for €3.50 in Doyles during the Ireland-Wales match. You just need to shop around more.

Which Doyles is that? :eek:(small world) Suppose I should say it was indeed Doyles opposite Pearse st Garda station. Do I know you?..LOL

To prove I was there(:)), the place was packed that night with not a single rugby supporter in sight and there was a fight amongst 2 young drinkers quickly put out by the bouncers.

Pedro K

My local has a pint of guinness 3.60, Pint of lager 3.70 and I think Cider (I don't drink it so i don't know) is 3.90-4.00. Large bottle of cider is something like 4.40.

Two pool tables at 50 cent a game (free pool on wednesdays) and two dart boards (bring your own darts and throw all you like).

Reasonably priced drink and pub games. I'm happy with that!

Turpentine

amacachi wrote: »

Link pls. There's a coupla percent difference in duty and 3% difference in VAT between here and NI. I somehow doubt that off-licences are selling below cost in NI (it being their only income) and it's only now that offlicences here are getting close to similar prices.

None of the wholesalers will put their prices on their websites, but I suggest that you ring them up for a quote before being so definitive about something you don't know about.

texidub

ART6 wrote: »

Ireland is being turned into a closed order monastery

While the people who bring in the legislation laugh in your face, paying themselves huge wages and getting locked in the SUBSIDISED Dail Bar.

iregk

The thing that I always find strange are the people on the radio and such every now and again blaming the drink driving limit for ruining pubs and in particularly rural life. What does it say about or society and mind set that we can't socialise unless alcohol is involved?

johnnyskeleton

Fromthetrees wrote: »

I fucking hate the argument constantly being made that people drink less and much more responsibly in the pub than at home, and that having a bar man to monitor peoples drinking ensures nobody gets too drunk compared to being 'unsupervised' at home, it is the biggest load of bullcrap I've ever heard, personally speaking I have never once drank 'too much' at home, why, because I buy what I want and need and drink in such a relaxed atmosphere whereas the amount of times I've drank 'too much' while out in a pub or club is actually quite frightening, why, because you can lose the run of yourself, forget how much you're after, start having shots with friends or get into a round. Made up points really piss me off. :mad:

Also, people have much more respect for their own home and/or a friend/relative's home than they do for a pub and will naturally tend towards behaving properly.

And, if the music is too loud to talk in a house you can turn it down, but in the pub you have to just drink more.

amacachi

Turpentine wrote: »

None of the wholesalers will put their prices on their websites, but I suggest that you ring them up for a quote before being so definitive about something you don't know about.

Fun argument.
How often do Tesco etc. have say, Dutch Gold any less than an offlicence? Again, given it's their only product and offlicence won't sell below cost so where's the evidence the supermarket is? On top of that there's the discount for volume one would expect the supermarket to have.

johnnyskeleton

Turpentine wrote: »

Are you joking?

Supermarkets are selling crates of beer cheaper than the listed price (before VAT is even added) that is available on a wholesalers price-list.

Maybe you have yet to see evidence because you have no idea what you're talking about with regard to the industry.

That doesn't mean that they are selling below cost at all. Below cost means below what it costs them, not what it costs someone else. The big supermarkets probably bypass the wholesalers, buy in bulk and sell cheaper than the wholesalers while still making a profit.

irish_goat

gurramok wrote: »

Which Doyles is that? :eek:(small world) Suppose I should say it was indeed Doyles opposite Pearse st Garda station. Do I know you?..LOL

To prove I was there(:)), the place was packed that night with not a single rugby supporter in sight and there was a fight amongst 2 young drinkers quickly put out by the bouncers.

That's the one! They had signs up saying all pints were €3.50 all day and that's what I was getting charged. The match was on during the day though, which was when I was in.

gurramok

irish_goat wrote: »

That's the one! They had signs up saying all pints were €3.50 all day and that's what I was getting charged. The match was on during the day though, which was when I was in.

I was there after 11pm though, didn't see those signs and I'd drink O'Hara's anytime. Still mean on them putting up the price because a big match was on, not fair on non-rugby supporters who just want a night out.

Turpentine

amacachi wrote: »

Fun argument.
How often do Tesco etc. have say, Dutch Gold any less than an offlicence? Again, given it's their only product and offlicence won't sell below cost so where's the evidence the supermarket is? On top of that there's the discount for volume one would expect the supermarket to have.

No it's not an argument, you're approaching it from a position of guess work. All I'm saying is that you should do a little research before insisting you know everything about off-sales and supermarkets.

Have you never heard of loss-leaders? Used to create footfall.

They do it with other products since the ban on below cost selling was lifted in 2005, why does it take so much to convince you that they do it with alcohol?

johnnyskeleton wrote: »

That doesn't mean that they are selling below cost at all. Below cost means below what it costs them, not what it costs someone else. The big supermarkets probably bypass the wholesalers, buy in bulk and sell cheaper than the wholesalers while still making a profit.

They'll still generally use wholesalers and squeeze the best price out of them through bulk-buying.

But to insist supermarkets are not and never use below-cost selling of alcohol purely because you don't know about it is idiocy.

The only way some people would be happy is obviously to get a direct breakdown from Dunnes or Tesco or whoever on the margins they make/lose on alcohol, but if you asked the big chains they'd tell you to piss off, so there's no point in us talking about this any further.

Here's an article on it from the Irish Medical Times:

http://www.imt.ie/features-opinion/2012/01/below-cost-alcohol-sales-cannot-continue.html

Sample:
“In effect, this means that the Government and taxpayers are subsidising those large retailers who can afford to sell alcohol below cost price,” Committee Chairman Jerry Buttimer TD said."




From the Irish Times:
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2011/0923/1224304579071.html

privacyconcern

Turpentine wrote: »

No it's not an argument, you're approaching it from a position of guess work. All I'm saying is that you should do a little research before insisting you know everything about off-sales and supermarkets.

Have you never heard of loss-leaders? Used to create footfall.

They do it with other products since the ban on below cost selling was lifted in 2005, why does it take so much to convince you that they do it with alcohol?



They'll still generally use wholesalers and squeeze the best price out of them through bulk-buying.

But to insist supermarkets are not and never use below-cost selling of alcohol purely because you don't know about it is idiocy.

The only way some people would be happy is obviously to get a direct breakdown from Dunnes or Tesco or whoever on the margins they make/lose on alcohol, but if you asked the big chains they'd tell you to piss off, so there's no point in us talking about this any further.

Here's an article on it from the Irish Medical Times:

http://www.imt.ie/features-opinion/2012/01/below-cost-alcohol-sales-cannot-continue.html

Sample:
“In effect, this means that the Government and taxpayers are subsidising those large retailers who can afford to sell alcohol below cost price,” Committee Chairman Jerry Buttimer TD said."




From the Irish Times:
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2011/0923/1224304579071.html

Corporatism at work no less.

AngryBollix

thomasj wrote: »

Took the words right out of my mouth.

Was jammers last night!

I LOVE THAT PUB

Mike 1972

arse..biscuits wrote: »

What a strange thing to say. Firstly, your sentence doesn't make sense but also every christening I have ever heard of has been in a pub.

I thought they took place in Churches

Biggins

privacyconcern wrote: »

Corporatism at work no less.

Jeasus man - your obsessed with that word!
Are you going to stick it into every thread possible?

arse..biscuits

Mike 1972 wrote: »

arse..biscuits wrote: »

What a strange thing to say. Firstly, your sentence doesn't make sense but also every christening I have ever heard of has been in a pub.

I thought they took place in Churches

Over the course of the day it can move. Traditionally church first

Owldshtok

irishgeo wrote: »

60c for the small bottles, 2.50 is the average price of a mixer in the pub.

thats a 315% markup. if my maths are correct.

jesus chirst.

Around 50c of that 2.50 will go directly to the government in VAT.
I might be wrong but isn't there some sort of other specific tax on the sale of alcohol as a portion of that 2.50?

Can anyone give a breakdown on what % goes to who for the price of an average drink in a pub? (brewery or importer,distributor,wholesaler,revenue commissioners and publican..)

EdenHazard

Drink is dirt, I put a 15 quid a month towards drink and thats for a shoulder and a few cans on a night out.

tigger123

castletownman wrote: »

Is the report limited to just pubs in Dublin and other Irish cities though? I'm from a rural area and I must say the price of a pint in any place in town is fairly reasonable, around 3.80 for a Guinness and 4.00 for a Lager or Cider. I will say though by far the most popular pub in town does a drink promo of certain pints for 3 euro, and 2 vodka's and red bull for 8 euro. I find the young people of the town aren't put off by the price in ANY of the pubs, and if anything it seems to be a younger crowd that socialise on average. Those sort of prices aren't just limited in my town, they appear to be frequent in other towns I've visited.

The price for a night out in Dublin though is a joke. It's gone to the stage where you'd save up for it for a few weeks just to cover everything. I've spent less at a wedding!

I don't think this is a rural/urban divide tbh. You may be paying 4 euro for a pint and in Dublin it's 4.80 ish in most places ... but it's still WAY to expensive.