Tyrone GAA Discussion Thread

Jayop

Lol the highlights on tg4 of the first half didn't show a single Tyrone score but all 3 if Dublins.

Didht show our 6th point either.

Jayop

A day later and still can't find anything to show for the red.

seligehgit

Jayop wrote: »

A day later and still can't find anything to show for the red.

TBF the penalty might have appeared a tad soft but was the correct decision,the free for the equaliser was mindboggling.:eek:

Totally agree with you re the poor sportmanship of booing an opposing team's freetaker.

ammc

seligehgit wrote: »

...the free for the equaliser was mindboggling.:eek:

What price was the draw, maybe check McQuillan's Paddy Power account after awarding that free!

The Premier Man

Tipperary man here,was up at the hurling and stayed on,I have no affiliation to either side..the red was just in front of me and it was 100% the correct decision ,Bradley shoved the palms of both his hands with force into Johnny coopers face.they were pushing and shoving then Bradley did that ,the linesman was about (and I'm not exaggerating here) 3 to 5 yards from it as he was coming to stop the pushing and shoving..there was a lot of strange decisions from the ref throughout but we did make the comment during the 2nd half that it was next to impossible to ref it.constant pulling and dragging off the ball. On the game itself as a spectacle it was very poor,it resembled a basketball match (except for the crowd not chanting "Defence") when they didn't have the ball.Tyrone at one stage early in the 2nd half had no player outside their own 45 and Dublin also only had o'gara left up at times with everyone else back in their own half.Lads in all seriousness is this the sport you fell in love with growing up,I have seen a lot of football over the years and seeing it played at the top level always excited me but in the last couple of years especially it has turned into tactics,tactics,tactics.Last night players wouldn't have a shot from outside 30 yards,connolly being missing obviously affected this but surely there should be several players out of the 2 of the best teams in the country that can score from 30+yards.it really is sad as the skill aspect of the game is only a minor part anymore it seems

Stoner

Jayop wrote:

Booing a free takers is pathetic and only happens when the dubs are playing afaic.

TBC the hypocrisy here from anyone from a competitive GAA county trying to pin this on another set of fans is unreasonable. I've been to plenty of Tyrone games not involving Dublin and I've seen this behaviour many times. It means nothing at this stage.

I would bring you back to a certain young keeper blowing up infront of a Donegal crowd after running back to his goal pointing at his own head and ears.

I'll leave you till this blows over and you return from la la land.

Dyr

The Premier Man wrote: »

Tipperary man here,was up at the hurling and stayed on,I have no affiliation to either side..the red was just in front of me and it was 100% the correct decision ,Bradley shoved the palms of both his hands with force into Johnny coopers face.they were pushing and shoving then Bradley did that ,the linesman was about (and I'm not exaggerating here) 3 to 5 yards from it as he was coming to stop the pushing and shoving..

As a tipp man you obviously bear a grudge against tyrone due to you not being from tyrone..or some such

They need to reduce the number of players in football, its the increased fitness levels that allow the massed defence and ..won't happen if there's only 12-13 lads on the pitch,

mickmackey1

Bambi wrote: »

As a tipp man you obviously bear a grudge against tyrone due to you not being from tyrone..or some such

Or maybe from the u-21 Final a while back - I wouldn't blame him tbh

Jayop

Stoner wrote: »

TBC the hypocrisy here from anyone from a competitive GAA county trying to pin this on another set of fans is unreasonable. I've been to plenty of Tyrone games not involving Dublin and I've seen this behaviour many times. It means nothing at this stage.

I would bring you back to a certain young keeper blowing up infront of a Donegal crowd after running back to his goal pointing at his own head and ears.

I'll leave you till this blows over and you return from la la land.

OK it happens at other games occasionally too and it's scummy behavior there too. It does happen at every Dublin game though from the very start.

Jayop

Bambi wrote: »

As a tipp man you obviously bear a grudge against tyrone due to you not being from tyrone..or some such

They need to reduce the number of players in football, its the increased fitness levels that allow the massed defence and ..won't happen if there's only 12-13 lads on the pitch,

See there's the typical response when I complain about a game.

Honestly it's becoming trying posting in the gaa forum with this same boring crap all the time.

I suppose the only response that I'm allowed to have after a game without being called paranoid would be to say good game all round.

keane2097

Shoving your two fists into a guys face used to be the sort of thing you could get a red card overturned for back in 2011 iirc.

Dyr

Jayop wrote: »

See there's the typical response when I complain about a game.

Honestly it's becoming trying posting in the gaa forum with this same boring crap all the time.

I suppose the only response that I'm allowed to have after a game without being called paranoid would be to say good game all round.

Because you're just complaining about decisions that were correct.

Except for fitzsimons swan dive at the end, hang onto that one.

TCDStudent1

keane2097 wrote: »

Shoving your two fists into a guys face used to be the sort of thing you could get a red card overturned for back in 2011 iirc.

I miss the days when somebody would give their opponent a right thump and the ref would give a yellow card for it! Like the paidi o'se / dinny Allen exchange.

Dyr

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

I miss the days when somebody would give their opponent a right thump and the ref would give a yellow card for it! Like the paidi o'se / dinny Allen exchange.

Should have been watching waterford/kilkenny

some right wallops handed out for just a yellow and "ah now lads" from the ref

Jayop

Bambi wrote: »

Because you're just complaining about decisions that were correct.

Except for fitzsimons swan dive at the end, hang onto that one.

The black was bs, I've yet to see the red, the pen was dubious, several other frees were soft.

TCDStudent1

Bambi wrote: »

Should have been watching waterford/kilkenny

some right wallops handed out for just a yellow and "ah now lads" from the ref

Some big hits in that match where I'd have given a yellow and the ref didn't give a free! It's great when the ref lets a match flow!

Stoner

keane2097 wrote:

Shoving your two fists into a guys face used to be the sort of thing you could get a red card overturned for back in 2011 iirc.

Good job too. He played in the final, got the ball rolling !!!

ammc

keane2097 wrote: »

Shoving your two fists into a guys face used to be the sort of thing you could get a red card overturned for back in 2011 iirc.

and getting sent off in 1995 final didn't mean you had to leave the pitch immediately and you could play on for another couple of minutes:)

ammc

Jayop wrote: »

Lol the highlights on tg4 of the first half didn't show a single Tyrone score but all 3 if Dublins.

Didht show our 6th point either.

Nor did it show Sean Cavanagh's majestic catch in around the half-way for which he took a mark. You know that rule they took in because we don't see enough of high catching

ammc

Bambi wrote: »

Because you're just complaining about decisions that were correct.

Except for fitzsimons swan dive at the end, hang onto that one.

Totally disagree with you. Alot of the refereeing decision were contentious at least. And many would say the penalty was soft which really means that on another day it wouldn't be given. And dare I say it, if it had of happened in Cluxton's goal with a Tyrone player being brought down it mightn't have been given;)

LeoB

ammc wrote: »

Be Jaybus Leo, what would you be like if Dublin had lost!

And on the subject of looking closer to home, if you had of been looking closely at the game tonight and I'm sure you were, you would have noticed Dublin had 14 players in their own half alot of times in the game. And not just this game but many games last year too. As the saying goes 'if you have a reputation of getting up early you can get away with lying in bed all day'. It strikes me you're a bit selective yourself. James Mc Carthy is not shy about sticking his oar into things when he should be concentrating on his own game and Johnny Cooper tonight was a disgrace by your standards. But then again you only hold these high standards for other teams.

But you're right, throw enough muck and players will get a bad name - how's Philly McMahon doing these days?

I responded to posts which were fairly pathetic. I would have a lot respect for some Tyrone players, more than some of the people who who support Tyrone from what Iv seen at club games!! You by your comments here make me think I hit a nerve.

Read it again. Dublin had players in their own half but always in a position to attack. Tyrone are too negative, despite their talent to do this.

James McCarthy is by no means a dirty player if that is what you mean. Sure he can mix it like any county player but he is a very powerful athlete. Johnny Cooper, where do ya start with him. Like Canavan he gets huge stick. He is constantly targeted. FACT. But on his worst day he would hold a candle to McMahon or McMcMenamen.
Philly McMahon is fine. Very strong man with a reputation, a dangerous mix. He has a decent enough record. Been sent off once or twice and had to contend with all sorts of **** from Mayo lads but got over it. Dont think they sledged him tho'

Dublin were blessed to get a draw. But again just to point out to you, you obviously missed it, The linesman got Tyrone player sent off. McQuillan acted on his advice. McMahon 100% black card. Didnt see McCanns but when I do will respond here.

Bonniedog wrote: »

Jayop, I don't think either team can say ref did them over.

We got some soft ones, no doubt and black card was undeserved.

On other hand, McMahon was blessed not to walk. 3/4 of his tackles were what the BC was brought in for!

Reflecting on it, last night reminded me a bit of Omagh 2006. Two teams likely to face one another in August or September doing a bit of sorting out.

No harm in that. No-one died and it was great entertainment, as almost it always is when Dubs and Tyrone meet.

Have a feeling it will be the match up of the year. More to come!

I think that is fairly accurate. Ref I felt was hard on Dublin for a good bit but then went hard on Tyrone. McMahon was blessed with 2 tackles not to walk.

I think Tyrone will be in the shake up for All-ireland. But they need to concentrate on their strengths more. I dont think it will be possible to maintain their level of intensity especially if they have a tough draw along the way. They have the players

ammc

LeoB wrote: »

I responded to posts which were fairly pathetic. I would have a lot respect for some Tyrone players, more than some of the people who who support Tyrone from what Iv seen at club games!! You by your comments here make me think I hit a nerve.

Read it again. Dublin had players in their own half but always in a position to attack. Tyrone are too negative, despite their talent to do this.

James McCarthy is by no means a dirty player if that is what you mean. Sure he can mix it like any county player but he is a very powerful athlete. Johnny Cooper, where do ya start with him. Like Canavan he gets huge stick. He is constantly targeted. FACT. But on his worst day he would hold a candle to McMahon or McMcMenamen.
Philly McMahon is fine. Very strong man with a reputation, a dangerous mix. He has a decent enough record. Been sent off once or twice and had to contend with all sorts of **** from Mayo lads but got over it. Dont think they sledged him tho'

Dublin were blessed to get a draw. But again just to point out to you, you obviously missed it, The linesman got Tyrone player sent off. McQuillan acted on his advice. McMahon 100% black card. Didnt see McCanns but when I do will respond here.




I think that is fairly accurate. Ref I felt was hard on Dublin for a good bit but then went hard on Tyrone. McMahon was blessed with 2 tackles not to walk.

I think Tyrone will be in the shake up for All-ireland. But they need to concentrate on their strengths more. I dont think it will be possible to maintain their level of intensity especially if they have a tough draw along the way. They have the players

I thought my comments were reasonable and if I disagree with you I'll tell you so. It's amusing how I'm suppose to accept your take on Tyrone but when I level some of the same accusations at Dublin you get a bit bothered but nonetheless. 2 top teams going for the same prize are going to share a lot of similarities.

I did read your comment carefully but maybe you need to reread mine. You don't have to point anything out to me and I already said in a previous comment that I saw the incident (albeit from the Cusack stand) and Bradley was stupid in reacting to Cooper provocation. Cooper can be nasty when he wants and you say he wouldn't hold a candle to McMenamin or McMahon, that's a wee bit like saying 'my child wouldn't do that'

And I think it's a bit lame saying Dublin were defensive but poised for attack, sure isn't that what counter attack is all about and Tyrone do it very well. Shooting stats on the night are very revealing: Tyrone had 28 shots while Dublin had 18, speak for themselves really.

As for Philly McMahon, i'll take that comment with a bit of salt.

And as for black card incident, I thought McCann was very unlucky - if anything I thought McCarthy was charging and leading with the elbow. I like your euphemism though, that McCarthy 'can mix it'. Well, so can Tyrone;)

Dyr

ammc wrote: »

And as for black card incident, I thought McCann was very unlucky - if anything I thought McCarthy was charging and leading with the elbow. I like your euphemism though, that McCarthy 'can mix it'. Well, so can Tyrone;)

Fell over then grabbed McCarthys leg and pulled him down

Bang on Black Card

Jayop

Bambi wrote: »

Fell over then grabbed McCarthys leg and pulled him down

Bang on Black Card

I thought it was debatable when I was watching the game, when watching the highlights seeing it again I think it was even harsher. He didn't grab the leg as much as fell into it. Looked accidental and honestly, even taking aside my other thoughts on this specific game, I think if there's a debate about it then it shouldn't be a black.

ammc

Bambi wrote: »

Fell over then grabbed McCarthys leg and pulled him down

Bang on Black Card

He fell over ok after McCarthy charged him, then McCarthy fell over his elbow

Cooper should have got black card for body checking Bradley and we all know how that finished.

But sure it's only the league, hopefully it will balance out come championship:)

tanko

ammc wrote: »

He fell over ok after McCarthy charged him, then McCarthy fell over his elbow

Cooper should have got black card for body checking Bradley and we all know how that finished.

But sure it's only the league, hopefully it will balance out come championship:)

Not if "Dublin Joe" is refereeing it wont.
If people think he's bad in Croke Park, they should see the balls he makes of club games in Cavan, shouldn't be let ref an U-12 match.

ammc

tanko wrote: »

Not if "Dublin Joe" is refereeing it wont.

When you refer to him as 'Dublin Joe' is that because he was hired by Dublin to referee a lot of their challenge games a few years back so that they could get an insight into a referee's thinking?

When was that business relationship finished?;)

LeoB

ammc wrote: »

I thought my comments were reasonable and if I disagree with you I'll tell you so. It's amusing how I'm suppose to accept your take on Tyrone but when I level some of the same accusations at Dublin you get a bit bothered but nonetheless. 2 top teams going for the same prize are going to share a lot of similarities.

I did read your comment carefully but maybe you need to reread mine. You don't have to point anything out to me and I already said in a previous comment that I saw the incident (albeit from the Cusack stand) and Bradley was stupid in reacting to Cooper provocation. Cooper can be nasty when he wants and you say he wouldn't hold a candle to McMenamin or McMahon, that's a wee bit like saying 'my child wouldn't do that'

And I think it's a bit lame saying Dublin were defensive but poised for attack, sure isn't that what counter attack is all about and Tyrone do it very well. Shooting stats on the night are very revealing: Tyrone had 28 shots while Dublin had 18, speak for themselves really.

As for Philly McMahon, i'll take that comment with a bit of salt.

And as for black card incident, I thought McCann was very unlucky - if anything I thought McCarthy was charging and leading with the elbow. I like your euphemism though, that McCarthy 'can mix it'. Well, so can Tyrone;)

Philly McMahon, (like McCann) has a reputation. In my opinion given to him unfairly by RTE pundits (as was McCanns). I think Brolly was only one to stand up for Philly. McCarthy like 99% of players will always go into the mix when there is jostling, it can cause confusion with all the pushing and shoving, Mayo were excellent at this last year but it caught up on them. McCarthy is as I pointed out a very strong big lad but in no way cynical.
Cooper, who I know from club football and i dont like the lad but he is targeted as much as any decent forward. But he would not on a bad day be as cynical as either McMahon or Ryan McMenamen.
We can debate the black card all day and the card to Bradley but Tyrone were pointing the finger at Joe McQuillan. I just said it was not his fault but the linesman.
The other points key to my original post which a lot of Dubs disagree with is Tyrone are the biggest danger to Dublin in Ireland. Like Donegal who won only 1 All Ireland. But because of their tactics, especially against Dublin in 2011 when their 2 best forwards, Murphy and McFadden were inside their 45 it let Dublin off the hook big time. I think the way Tyrone are playing we are not seeing their true potential and wont if Harte persists. Dublin always had a scorer up front and within 30-40 meters there were 2 more, Tyrone too often got the ball to the wrong lads to shoot. So despite the shooting stats and possession Dublin even when 5 points down were more dangerous and their patience paid off.
So far from me being a "critic" of Tyrone I have seen a good bit of club football up there from St. Endas to Galbally Coalisland to Greencastle and Ardboe to Clonoe and I have a fair idea of the potential. Maybe they need a bigger influence from people like Peter Canavan and Stephen O'Neill.......

ammc wrote: »

When you refer to him as 'Dublin Joe' is that because he was hired by Dublin to referee a lot of their challenge games a few years back so that they could get an insight into a referee's thinking?

When was that business relationship finished?;)

So christened after awarding a free to Dublin in All Ireland final. And we all know how that finished!!

I have been at a good few Dublin challenge games and Joe done 2, Deegan done a few and 2 Meath lads done a few. Bottom line is he not a good referee but that is not Dublins fault. Deegan and Reilly seems to be the best referee out there at present

Jayop

Sorry Leo, but when you went 5 points down we got a man sent off. That's why you came back, not because of your imaginary 3 forwards that you think you could see at all times.

If you can't see that the sending off which happened when we were extending out lead and suddenly you started to reel us in was the crucial thing as well as the ref giving you a nothing free to level the game up were the clinchers then there's no point talking football with you.

ammc

LeoB wrote: »

Philly McMahon, (like McCann) has a reputation.

.....Cooper, would not on a bad day be as cynical as either McMahon or Ryan McMenamen.

........ a lot of Dubs disagree with is Tyrone are the biggest danger to Dublin in Ireland.

I think the way Tyrone are playing we are not seeing their true potential and wont if Harte persists.

...... Maybe they need a bigger influence from people like Peter Canavan and Stephen O'Neill.......



So christened after awarding a free to Dublin in All Ireland final. And we all know how that finished!!

That's the thing, when a story gets legs it tends to run away with itself and then repeated by people who might only have heard the tagline. Not sure if McMenamin was actually that cynical but more gamemanship. He got a reputation as being mouthy, but if telling your opponent he's having a stinker and that he might miss his next shot is cynical, well I don't know but it happens in a lot of other sports.

McCann fell over against Monaghan that time when Hughes tried to provoke him into a reaction, who was going to be sent off anyways for his challenge on Colm Cavanagh. Cooper fell over easily after Bradley pushed him the other night. So how is it that McCann has a reputation from that one thing and not Cooper. These things get put out and others run with them, McCann has been unfairly treated in my opinion.

I hope Tyrone live up to and surpass your prediction:) But its not the influence of these legends they need, it's another legend in the making to take their place. That's the final piece of the jigsaw. Imagine what Tyrone would do if they had a Conor McManus on their team

McQuillan has his faults alright - I remember James Horan bringing it up before a game that he had refereed a few Dublin A v's B games and felt it might have an influence.

BTW, think Reilly has been deselected as championship referee