Irish Indo supporting animal cruelty

Zebra3

What a shameful article in the Indo supporting vile people terrorising an innocent animal.

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/stephens-day-hunts-get-bang-for-their-bark-on-perfect-day-2973455.html

Stephen's Day hunts get bang for their bark on perfect day

By Louise Roseingrave and Eimear Ni Bhraonain

Tuesday December 27 2011

BALMY weather provided the perfect conditions for St Stephen's day hunting.

In Abbeyleix, there was the largest participation in the annual hunt with around 120 riders.

David Lalor, who took part with his 21-year-old daughter, Jessica, described it as a "beautiful day".

"There was lots of jumping," he said.

The hunt started in the square in Abbeyleix before moving in the Carlow direction through lands at Ballymullen.

Thousands turned up to see the riders and horses as they set off -- and followed their journey along the way.

A ceremonial stirrup cup marked the start point of the St Stephen's Day South Union Hunt Meet at Carrigaline in Cork, where the ground was soft.

Riders supped the traditional hot toddy before moving off towards Castlelands and Riverstick, seeking to draw the fox out.

Some 25 hounds accompanied the spectacle but catching the fox is an exceptional outcome, as huntmaster Pat Maher pointed out.

"The fox is incredibly elusive, you don't always catch him, he has the knack of getting away," he said.

Mr Maher led up to 100 riders on the hunt that boasts a 200-year history, following in the tradition set by avid rider Thomas Knowles, who hunted "seven days a week", according to Mr Maher.

Horses were transported from up to 60 miles away to take part in yesterday's event.

- Louise Roseingrave and Eimear Ni Bhraonain

Not much about how the fox experiences this bit of "craic" or what happened to him/her in the end.

And what sort of scum come out to cheer these animal haters on?

Joe10000

It was a great day out but was a shame the little blighter got away.

Dravokivich

I'm sure they treat their horses well...

Kintarō Hattori

We should follow Englands lead and ban fox hunting with hounds. It's really quite a barbaric 'sport'.

MarkR

Zebra3 wrote: »

What a shameful article in the Indo supporting vile people terrorising an innocent animal.

Not much about how the fox experiences this bit of "craic" or what happened to him/her in the end.

And what sort of scum come out to cheer these animal haters on?

I heard the fox was a mean drunk.

Ellis Dee

As Oscar Wilde aptly put it, fox hunting is "The unspeakable in hot pursuit of the uneatable".:):)

The worst kind of scumbags putting on snobby airs.:rolleyes:

Stiffler2

we kill millions of cows, sheep & pigs every year

What's 1 fox ?

MagicSean

Stiffler2 wrote: »

we kill millions of cows, sheep & pigs every year

What's 1 fox ?

Foxes are vermin and would probably be killed anyway. At least this way he gets a chance of getting away and getting some bragging rights for when he's looking for mrs fox.

myflipflops

The Indo is a rag but i don;t see your issue with them here.

They simply reported on a hunt. They give no opinion of it either way. This is a pretty neutral report on a quiet news day.

I don't see how stating that something happened makes them a disgrace.

arybvtcw0eolkf

I'd love to go and support a hunt.

I believe they're great craic.

Cee-Jay-Cee

Ah but sure its tradition, ya cant mess with tradition...its tradition.

excaliburhc

shir its only one fox - fluck it shir why dont we up the game and have it hobo hunting - shir its only 1 hobo .


its cruel it barbaric and it is a throw back to times when people had no clue .

i hoped we as a species would eventually outgrow this kind of crap but barbarism wins out.

foxes are vermin - then what the hell are we ? we kill for fun - (dont give the crap about protecting the farmers and their chickens) .

sick sport ,sick people.

said it from the start if you are the kind of person that can sadistically hurt an animal (and lets be fair this is as sadistic as you can get) then you have serious issues and are a potential psycho . should get that checked.

Zebra3

myflipflops wrote: »

The Indo is a rag but i don;t see your issue with them here.

They simply reported on a hunt. They give no opinion of it either way. This is a pretty neutral report on a quiet news day.

I don't see how stating that something happened makes them a disgrace.

If you think that is neutral reporting, you must be judging it by the standards of Fox.

Irishchick

Foxes are not vermin and were never classed as such. I don't know where people get that from. Foxes control vermin like rabbits and rats.

I don't think the reporter is supporting anything. He is just reporting what happened on the day.

I don't agree with hunting with hounds but if it stopped tomorrow then all of those hounds would be PTS. There wouldn't be a hope of re homing them. Our shelters are packed to capacity as it is.

Its a lose lose situation really.

Dravokivich

Zebra3 wrote: »

If you think that is neutral reporting, you must be judging it by the standards of Fox.

All it says is the weather conditions, roughly how many participated and implied a large amount of spectators, with some comments from people who were there.

That's fairly neutral. Unless it's got some under tones to it, which I'm completely missing.

Pherekydes

Stiffler2 wrote: »

we kill millions of cows, sheep & pigs every year

What's 1 fox ?

We eat them. When have you had fox?

I don't know why they don't use human quarry for these hunts. It'd be much more fun.

Toby Take a Bow

I find it surprising that that article took two people to write.

All in all, not surprising from the Irish Independent, a tabloid masquerading as a broadsheet if I ever saw one.

Misleading title..

myflipflops

Zebra3 wrote: »

If you think that is neutral reporting, you must be judging it by the standards of Fox.

If you think this can be compared to Fox then you have never watched Fox.

mattser

Irishchick wrote: »

Foxes are not vermin and were never classed as such. I don't know where people get that from. Foxes control vermin like rabbits and rats.

I don't think the reporter is supporting anything. He is just reporting what happened on the day.

I don't agree with hunting with hounds but if it stopped tomorrow then all of those hounds would be PTS. There wouldn't be a hope of re homing them. Our shelters are packed to capacity as it is.

Its a lose lose situation really.

They also control the rooster and a few hens when they feel the need. Cute hoors.

KTRIC

It doesn't matter what they aren't or are classed as. Being chased and torn apart by a bunch of angry blood hounds is not a fitting end for any animal.

Sure we kill cows and pigs etc but in a humane manner and the animal is dead before it knows it. Put yourself in the foxes position and ask would you like it ??

Captain Darling

Ellis Dee wrote: »

As Oscar Wilde aptly put it, fox hunting is "The unspeakable in hot pursuit of the uneatable".:):)

The worst kind of scumbags putting on snobby airs.:rolleyes:

The majority of people that follow the hunt are a pack of stuffed shirt knobs.

I've no time for their argument in relation to pest control either, its a load of bollocks. Unneccessary cruelty IMHO.

Drag hunting should be introduced or some more animal friendly version. Its a bit of an industry in the west where i am from and it would be a shame to see it totally wiped out. There are some people who make their livelihood from it.

Gonzor

Irishchick wrote: »

Foxes are not vermin and were never classed as such.

ANd who told ya that one..?? :rolleyes:

galwayrush

Did the Indo organise the hunt, or merely report on the event?:rolleyes:

Captain Darling

galwayrush wrote: »

Did the Indo organise the hunt, or merely report on the event?:rolleyes:

My sources tell me that they organised the whole event with their faces smeared with the blood of fox cubs while ritualistically masturbating on the corpses of decomposing baby seals.

True story.

galwayrush

Captain Darling wrote: »

My sources tell me that they organised the whole event with their faces smeared with the blood of fox cubs while ritualistically masturbating on the corpses of decomposing baby seals.

True story.

Tha bastards....:pac::pac:

Richard Hillman

I thought this was about Leopardstown. 3 horses dead in 2 days. Jumps racing should be done away with.

SisterAnn

Dear right-on, vegetarian, liberal lefty Citydwellers,

If we country folk ever become absolutely clueless and need to resort to someone else to tell us what to do and how to live our lives, we promise to to give you first option. Until then, we'll thank you to leave us be.

Kind regards,
Your country cousins.

we will leave you be when you stop terrorising foxes and leave them be

SisterAnn

Did God grant you this right or something? I'm genuinely curious where the source of all this patronising is.

guitarzero

Pherekydes wrote: »

We eat them.

Hah, I love the irony.

mattjack

I'm having fox in orange sauce for lunch.

ItsAWindUp

What kind of a f ucking prick would you have to be to want to partake in this?

ChunkyLover_53

You'll all be sorry when there are no more Glacier Mints.

ItsAWindUp

KTRIC wrote: »

It doesn't matter what they aren't or are classed as. Being chased and torn apart by a bunch of angry blood hounds is not a fitting end for any animal.

Sure we kill cows and pigs etc but in a humane manner and the animal is dead before it knows it. Put yourself in the foxes position and ask would you like it ??

Sorry, but that isn't true. Despite the fact that I agree with the rest of your post.

ItsAWindUp

SisterAnn wrote: »

Did God grant you this right or something? I'm genuinely curious where the source of all this patronising is.

Did God grant you to right to slaughter innocent animals?

mattjack

And furthermore nobody give's a bollix about Christmas tree's being cut down and then some cnut always says artificial ones are better.You try and hang decorations on a fox and see how you get on.

Nothingbetter2d

MagicSean wrote: »

Foxes are vermin and would probably be killed anyway. At least this way he gets a chance of getting away and getting some bragging rights for when he's looking for mrs fox.

wrong

foxes actually contribute quite a bit in rodent population control.

Chuck Stone

What makes me laugh is that these cretins actually call themselves hunters.

20 odd dogs and 'men' on horseback versus one fox..

'hunters' my ****in ass.

The average household moggie has more hunting skills that the whole troop of twats.

SisterAnn

ItsAWindUp wrote: »

Did God grant you to right to slaughter innocent animals?

Country people have an inalienable right to defend their livestock, and it would be a cruel God who would deny us. Be it dogs worrying sheep or a fox after hens we are right to eliminate the threat. At least the hunt gives the little sneaky blighter a chance. It's not his worst enemy.They'll be sure to get both barrels around here.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Now that the Poles are all but gone home I think we should spare the fox and hunt the swan's with hounds.

excaliburhc

sorry m8 i agree with itsAWindup not sisterann. my bad - poor quoting

ItsAWindUp wrote: »

Did God grant you to right to slaughter innocent animals?

also according to your bible (im guessing catholic ?)
Proverbs 12:10 ESV / 20 helpful votes

Whoever is righteous has regard for the life of his beast, but the mercy of the wicked is cruel.



Psalm 147:9 ESV / 8 helpful votes

He gives to the beasts their food, and to the young ravens that cry.



Deuteronomy 25:4 ESV / 8 helpful votes

“You shall not muzzle an ox when it is treading out the grain.



Genesis 1:30 ESV / 8 helpful votes

And to every beast of the earth and to every bird of the heavens and to everything that creeps on the earth, everything that has the breath of life, I have given every green plant for food.” And it was so.


i dont even believe in that crap and even i know it is wrong to hurt animals.

its as cruel as **** and reflects badly on all of us. its not enough that we encroach on their terrortory forcing them to enter our cities / villages to eat but we also have to chase them for fun.

if you cant see anything wrong with chasing down and mauling of an innocent then you have some serious issues.

oh and as a country person this is my view - we are not all Neanderthals out only for ourselves and a laugh

mattjack

Nothingbetter2d wrote: »

wrong

foxes actually contribute quite a bit in rodent population control.

wrong

I've never heard of a fox setting trap's for mice or rats.

ohthebaby

SisterAnn wrote: »

Dear right-on, vegetarian, liberal lefty Citydwellers,

If we country folk ever become absolutely clueless and need to resort to someone else to tell us what to do and how to live our lives, we promise to to give you first option. Until then, we'll thank you to leave us be.

Kind regards,
Your country cousins.

Please don't tar all country cousins with your sickening brush. You don't have to be from the city to see how wrong hunting is.

ItsAWindUp

SisterAnn wrote: »

Country people have an inalienable right to defend their livestock, and it would be a cruel God who would deny us. Be it dogs worrying sheep or a fox after hens we are right to eliminate the threat. At least the hunt gives the little sneaky blighter a chance. It's not his worst enemy.They'll be sure to get both barrels around here.

What absolute crap. It's simply done as a form of 'enjoyment', and what sort of sub-human would enjoy something like that? And why do you continue to drag thread off topic and turn it into a city vs countryside debate?

ItsAWindUp

excaliburhc wrote: »

also according to your bible (im guessing catholic ?)
Proverbs 12:10 ESV / 20 helpful votes

Whoever is righteous has regard for the life of his beast, but the mercy of the wicked is cruel.



Psalm 147:9 ESV / 8 helpful votes

He gives to the beasts their food, and to the young ravens that cry.



Deuteronomy 25:4 ESV / 8 helpful votes

“You shall not muzzle an ox when it is treading out the grain.



Genesis 1:30 ESV / 8 helpful votes

And to every beast of the earth and to every bird of the heavens and to everything that creeps on the earth, everything that has the breath of life, I have given every green plant for food.” And it was so.


i dont even believe in that crap and even i know it is wrong to hurt animals.

its as cruel as **** and reflects badly on all of us. its not enough that we encroach on their terrortory forcing them to enter our cities / villages to eat but we also have to chase them for fun.

if you cant see anything wrong with chasing down and mauling of an innocent then you have some serious issues.

oh and as a country person this is my view - we are not all Neanderthals out only for ourselves and a laugh

I'm not a Catholic actually. But let me quote you something else: "Thou shalt not kill".

SisterAnn

excaliburhc wrote: »

also according to your bible (im guessing catholic ?)
...
oh and as a country person this is my view - we are not all Neanderthals out only for ourselves and a laugh

Deist actually so thanks but no thanks for your 'revealed religion' quotes!:D

Saying somebody is a Neanderthal because they follow tradition is a poor argument.

A lot of the hunting opponents have a very Disney-ized view of nature. We raise hens for food and have a right to defend them. If the fox is in competition with us in that regard, tough for him. Accept that nature is based on competion and stop trying force some idealized harmony on it that does not exist. He is not a cuddly forest creature. He is vermin.

MungBean

SisterAnn wrote: »

Dear right-on, vegetarian, liberal lefty Citydwellers,

If we country folk ever become absolutely clueless and need to resort to someone else to tell us what to do and how to live our lives, we promise to to give you first option. Until then, we'll thank you to leave us be.

Kind regards,
Your country cousins.

There are intelligent people who live in the country too though. Not all of us go round destroying other peoples property trying to kill things thinking its a great day out.

Country people have an inalienable right to defend their livestock, and it would be a cruel God who would deny us. Be it dogs worrying sheep or a fox after hens we are right to eliminate the threat. At least the hunt gives the little sneaky blighter a chance. It's not his worst enemy.They'll be sure to get both barrels around here.

Pull the other one. One man with a shotgun can take out a fox that makes a habit of hassling livestock you dont need 100+ idiots on horseback. You cant justify it so leave off with this "protecting livestock" bullshít.

excaliburhc

yeah sorry m8 i misquoted , meant to grab Sisteranns ramblings -
my apologies .

Captain Darling

Nothingbetter2d wrote: »

wrong

foxes actually contribute quite a bit in rodent population control.

I read that in his voice.

Its a very polarising subject and i think it actually sustains the stand off between the pro and anti sides. Its very extreme from both sides, i've never really heard any moderate debate on the subject which might create a proper resolution for people to enjoy the day out on their horses without torturing and victimising a poor animal.

I've heard a few people representing the pro hunting brigade on the radio (Matt Cooper etc) and they sound like the most inbred, toffee nosed twats you'd ever meet in your life, but on the other hand the anti hunting element are a crowd of tofu eating, fight da powah, lefty crusties.

It always seems to spiral into a shouting match between the two and the same can be said of what is going on here.

Both sides seem to be overly represented by caricatures of what they stand for and it really doesnt help.

Thats just my inner liberal, hippy douchebag opinion on it. Why cant we all get along? Mannnnn....

ItsAWindUp

SisterAnn wrote: »

Deist actually so thanks but no thanks for your 'revealed religion' quotes!:D

Saying somebody is a Neanderthal because they follow tradition is a poor argument.

A lot of the hunting opponents have a very Disney-ized view of nature. We raise hens for food and have a right to defend them. If the fox is in competition with us in that regard, tough for him. Accept that nature is based on competion and stop trying force some idealized harmony on it that does not exist. He is not a cuddly forest creature. He is vermin.

Saying that somebody is a Neanderthal because they enjoy hunting and killing animals for 'sport' is not only fair, but pretty accurate too.