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Are you going to pay the household charge? [Part 1]
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robbie7730 wrote: »Some can, some cant. This type of claim is made as if this would be a single €2 a week extra that people have to pay.
The “I can’t afford to pay argument” simply does not stand up, as has been pointed out repeatedly on thread. If the household charge is abandoned the government will simply raise taxes or make cuts to the tune of €160 M in lieu. Only if you can predict where there cuts will be made and hence know that you will not be effected can you credibly make the “can’t afford it” argument. Of course if you had the talent to do that, you would be flush with money.
It seems some want to continue with the delusion that if you cannot identify the charge as a single payment that you make then you are not actually paying it!!!robbie7730 wrote: »Because its a property tax people already paid on their house. It does not matter if people protested or not, they still paid this property tax. They are still paying back the money they borrowed to pay it.With stamp duty, if you needed to buy, there wasn't any choice!
BTW if anyone bought a standard 3 bed semi in or around 2006, the stamp duty would have been around €20-€25k or the same as 200-250 years worth of this property tax.
Money that is tied up in an average mortgage, averaged over 25 years, costing around €1,500 per year.
There's your property tax, now **** off, Phil!
Another false argument. In the first place the money collected in stamp duty WAS given back to the people in one form or another (lower taxes, higher welfare rates etc.)
But more importantly the current mode of funding does not address this inequity (if you think there is one).
So you are repaying large amounts of money in stamp duty + interest ….. but this is going to the banks and is most certainly not being used at all to fund local services. Therefore currently, as well as repaying stamp duty, you are paying general tax, a portion of which is being used to fund local services!!!
Thus if paying the house hold charge counts as double taxation given that you have paid stamp duty then so too does the current mode of payment. Or perhaps you can explain why it doesn’t?0 -
All that for €160 million a year? What a bargain!
Now, if we could just get the rest of the PS for another €160 million, we'd be laughing.
What a foolish post!
You forgot to add, (about Mrmatisse) what a foolish post, by a foolish, immature, trolling internet warrior.
This is supposed to be a discussion on who is, or who are not are paying this charge and discussion and debating why?
Its not for childish trolls, by someone that comes across as a "Phil Hogan" type character
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I see Marian Finucan is doing her best to get people to pay. I thought these shows were supposed to be impartial? The guy responsible for collecting this has been given so much time on the media yet he cannot say which local authorities will be open or not to take payment. This is the government your sending your €100 too. The permanent civil servants in this country are a disaster.
ah the medias been a fecking joke on this since day one.
were the only country talking about the take up rate, everywhere else covering this knows the story is the 1 MILLION people not doing so.
not surprised about marion though. establishment to the core and with the cuts in RTE coming down the line she knows the gov must be looking at the money coming in from the liscence fee as a possible pot to plunder themselves.
how can she earn 600k a year for two days work a week in THAT enviorment ?
seeing as were at D day ill fess up as to why i picked 30% as a compliance rate for this, which seems to be pretty much bang on.
its two fold.
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The richest people in this country, the vested interests and "civic society" professional class types make up 20% of the country.
they were ALWAYS going to pay this as they either have an interest in getting the moola OR its such a piddliy triviality to them it wasnt worth their while making an issue out of it (it could also be something they get questioned on in the media, so social embarrassment comes into play).
the charge could be 10x this and theyd STILL pay as its a pittance to them they'd never miss.
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10% of the country is made up of a combination of gobshytes who'd sign up to anything no matter how stupid immoral or irrational it is "coz me betters told me" and people easilly fooled/terrified without the spine god gave a mollusc.
seems i misgudged that sector by 5 or 8%
voila 30%.0 -
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The “I can’t afford to pay argument” simply does not stand up, as has been pointed out repeatedly on thread. If the household charge is abandoned the government will simply raise taxes or make cuts to the tune of €160 M in lieu. Only if you can predict where there cuts will be made and hence know that you will not be effected can you credibly make the “can’t afford it” argument. Of course if you had the talent to do that, you would be flush with money.
It seems some want to continue with the delusion that if you cannot identify the charge as a single payment that you make then you are not actually paying it!!!
Another false argument. In the first place the money collected in stamp duty WAS given back to the people in one form or another (lower taxes, higher welfare rates etc.)
But more importantly the current mode of funding does not address this inequity (if you think there is one).
So you are repaying large amounts of money in stamp duty + interest ….. but this is going to the banks and is most certainly not being used at all to fund local services. Therefore currently, as well as repaying stamp duty, you are paying general tax, a portion of which is being used to fund local services!!!
Thus if paying the house hold charge counts as double taxation given that you have paid stamp duty then so too does the current mode of payment. Or perhaps you can explain why it doesn’t?
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constitutionus wrote: »ah the medias been a fecking joke on this since day one.
were the only country talking about the take up rate, everywhere else covering this knows the story is the 1 MILLION people not doing so.
not surprised about marion though. establishment to the core and with the cuts in RTE coming down the line she knows the gov must be looking at the money coming in from the liscence fee as a possible pot to plunder themselves.
how can she earn 600k a year for two days work a week in THAT enviorment ?
seeing as were at D day ill fess up as to why i picked 30% as a compliance rate for this, which seems to be pretty much bang on.
its two fold.
1.
The richest people in this country, the vested interests and "civic society" professional class types make up 20% of the country.
they were ALWAYS going to pay this as they either have an interest in getting the moola OR its such a piddliy triviality to them it wasnt worth their while making an issue out of it (it could also be something they get questioned on in the media, so social embarrassment comes into play).
the charge could be 10x this and theyd STILL pay as its a pittance to them they'd never miss.
and
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10% of the country is made up of a combination of gobshytes who'd sign up to anything no matter how stupid immoral or irrational it is "coz me betters told me" and people easilly fooled/terrified without the spine god gave a mollusc.
seems i misgudged that sector by 5 or 8%
voila 30%.
Thats a little bit unfair on people that did pay, its everyones right to choose, I chose not to. But a lot of people feel they have to, as they dont want to break the law, another section, the elderly, have in some instances being bullied into it, fearful that the big bad government will come after them and take more off of them.
Personally, I have never done something like this before, but, I feel we need to stand up to this bull %&£$
p.s. Phil Hogan, was better off in the background as director of elections for FG, now that he is out in the open, he comes across as very arrogant and superior. time to resign mr hogan, you pressed the wrong buttons with people on this item, First of all, telling us that we had to pay or go to jail, then when that did not work, asking us to pay for the good of the country and to help pay for our local services, then today, back to, we are sending out people door to door :rolleyes:
So now he is going to pay council officials money to go out and collect €100 from nearly one million houses, how much is that going to cost mr hogan.
Maths is not the governments strong point is it0 -
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