Are you going to pay the household charge? [Part 1]

Bruthal · 31-03-2012 1:50am

hondasam wrote: »

I would not say that, even people who are unemployed can afford €2 a week.

Some can, some cant. This type of claim is made as if this would be a single €2 a week extra that people have to pay.

People unemployed that have a mortgage, are unlikely to have any surplus at all, and they run into mortgage arrears. Likely their weekly outgoings are bigger than their income, and so can afford no more outgoings.

Nulty · 31-03-2012 2:11am

PocketAA wrote: »

Pay the poxy 100euros...

its a fairer way to collect revenue and safer for economic activity than more direct taxes.

Its 100 euros Do you sound off like one of these lunatics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Je3RiPXdaWM

Please focus your non conformity energy on public expenditure reform not protecting property owners !!!!!

- in the meantime I'll keep working hard and paying my fair share for the Country I Love !

I know this clown has been banned but I'll still respond to the comment -

You just don't get it. You think small time, this is a big time issue. Reform has to happen BEFORE people are willing to throw money at the problem. Fix the problem then pay the "tax". There ia massive waste spending by the government and they give themselves salary hikes for making simple peoples lives a misery. How many counselors does it take to screw a constituent? 15 apparently when it could have taken 2!

Turn off the mains and then fix the tap, not the other way around!

Nulty · 31-03-2012 2:13am

hondasam wrote: »

I would not say that, even people who are unemployed can afford €2 a week.

Guess you haven't thought that through....heat, electricity, food, transport...

Jimbob 83 · 31-03-2012 2:15am

Personally i think a large reason of why people are rejecting this tax is because of the Irish attitude towards paying to be a tenant on something we own by right (look at our past under landlords)

hondasam · 31-03-2012 2:16am

Nulty wrote: »

Guess you haven't thought that through....heat, electricity, food, transport...

Yes people who work have all these things to pay for as well including doctor, school fees etc.

gurramok · 31-03-2012 2:56am

Buford Tannen wrote: »

Is this poster even liable for the household charge?

Of couse having a full property tax bought in will have an effective on the market and devalue house prices even further

I wonder how many more of the pro household charge people on here actually own property?

Another trawling through thousands of posts to find a clue, its that bad some on the No side have to go to??

So yes, I am a renter and intend to buy in the future, this i've broadcast on boards over numerous posts before. And yes I will pay a property tax when it comes, I feel its my civic duty to help my country in a time of need.

I only know 1 person who has not paid the charge out of protest, i know at least 8(and counting) so far who either have paid or will pay by tomorrow night.

ger664 · 31-03-2012 3:17am

gurramok wrote: »

Another trawling through thousands of posts to find a clue, its that bad some on the No side have to go to??

So yes, I am a renter and intend to buy in the future, this i've broadcast on boards over numerous posts before. And yes I will pay a property tax when it comes, I feel its my civic duty to help my country in a time of need.

I only know 1 person who has not paid the charge out of protest, i know at least 8(and counting) so far who either have paid or will pay by tomorrow night.

you now know 2.

Property tax is well and fine yes all or other Euro friends pay so we should too.

Did our other Euro friends pay stamp duty and as we borrowed to pay this tax in the long run will pay the same again to the government owned banks in interest.

I have no problem paying a property tax if the government pay me back my stamp duty so I( can knock it off my mortgage)

Goldfingers · 31-03-2012 3:24am

Its extortion if you're already paying a management company for the exact same services that this 'payment' is going to provide.Kill the management companies,take charge in the local councils for what you aren't providing & I'd hav no problem paying.Until then,start singing.I will NEVER pay.

Sionach · 31-03-2012 3:29am

gurramok wrote: »

Buford Tannen wrote: »

Is this poster even liable for the household charge?

Of couse having a full property tax bought in will have an effective on the market and devalue house prices even further

I wonder how many more of the pro household charge people on here actually own property?

Another trawling through thousands of posts to find a clue, its that bad some on the No side have to go to??

So yes, I am a renter and intend to buy in the future, this i've broadcast on boards over numerous posts before. And yes I will pay a property tax when it comes, I feel its my civic duty to help my country in a time of need.

I only know 1 person who has not paid the charge out of protest, i know at least 8(and counting) so far who either have paid or will pay by tomorrow night.

I think now you know 4 more.

The majority of people that I work with are not paying this charge.

gurramok · 31-03-2012 3:32am

ger664 wrote: »

you now know 2.

Property tax is well and fine yes all or other Euro friends pay so we should too.

Did our other Euro friends pay stamp duty and as we borrowed to pay this tax in the long run will pay the same again to the government owned banks in interest.

I have no problem paying a property tax if the government pay me back my stamp duty so I( can knock it off my mortgage)

Some countries do pay stamp duty also, some don't. On this in Ireland, the stamp duty would of been added to the house price you paid in the bubble if there was no stamp duty(ask any first time buyer about 317,500), you'd end up paying it in a mortgage anyway.

On stamp duty, I just don't understand the protest mentality. It was hefty yes but you still paid without a whim of protest yet 100 quid is a serious concern.

gurramok · 31-03-2012 3:34am

Goldfingers wrote: »

Its extortion if you're already paying a management company for the exact same services that this 'payment' is going to provide.Kill the management companies,take charge in the local councils for what you aren't providing & I'd hav no problem paying.Until then,start singing.I will NEVER pay.

The tax says it pays for libraries and parks, they are not under the scope of your management company.

ger664 · 31-03-2012 4:02am

gurramok wrote: »

On stamp duty, I just don't understand the protest mentality. It was hefty yes but you still paid without a whim of protest yet 100 quid is a serious concern.

I wanted to by a house I had to pay stamp duty to do this, i did not like it but no stamp duty no house.

So its only €100 euro but why the **** should i pay this. I pay for my refuse collection (which had the tax credit removed this year). Have to call a private drain cleaning co any time drains get blocked. Sweep outside my gate and paths every month myself. The council only really provide me with water and a lot of the time its that bad you would not even wash yourself in it let alone drink it. So no Im not paying for a local council service that does not deliver any service.

lividduck · 31-03-2012 7:17am

Goldfingers wrote: »

Its extortion if you're already paying a management company for the exact same services that this 'payment' is going to provide.Kill the management companies,take charge in the local councils for what you aren't providing & I'd hav no problem paying.Until then,start singing.I will NEVER pay.

Your mamagment company provide a library! wow! and streetlighting and footpaths on the roads leading to your building? and public parks and amienities?
Like Fcuk they do!

Dubit10 · 31-03-2012 9:53am

gurramok wrote: »

The tax says it pays for libraries and parks, they are not under the scope of your management company.

Only the mentally challenged would say the money is going towards parks etc... It's going into the black hole that is the banks.

Anyone · 31-03-2012 9:56am

Dubit10 wrote: »

Only the mentally challenged would say the money is going towards parks etc... It's going into the black hole that is the banks.

I must be a bit stupid, can you explain to me what banks desperately need 160m?(assuming 100% pay).

ellen27 · 31-03-2012 10:10am

The Justice Minister should get a life and listen to the irish people

Bruthal · 31-03-2012 10:14am

gurramok wrote: »

Another trawling through thousands of posts to find a clue, its that bad some on the No side have to go to??

So yes, I am a renter and intend to buy in the future, this i've broadcast on boards over numerous posts before. And yes I will pay a property tax when it comes, I feel its my civic duty to help my country in a time of need.

I only know 1 person who has not paid the charge out of protest, i know at least 8(and counting) so far who either have paid or will pay by tomorrow night.

Well then, do your civic duty and pay this charge now, instead of telling others to, while your not actually liable.

Bruthal · 31-03-2012 10:21am

gurramok wrote: »

On stamp duty, I just don't understand the protest mentality. It was hefty yes but you still paid without a whim of protest yet 100 quid is a serious concern.

Because its a property tax people already paid on their house. It does not matter if people protested or not, they still paid this property tax. They are still paying back the money they borrowed to pay it.

So if you get this future house you speak of, you will have made less tax contributions than them in property taxes. And you speak of civic duty. Laughable. Your comments are as disconnected as hogan`s.

The non liable poster telling others to pay....

Cantona's Collars · 31-03-2012 10:46am

Can gurramock pay mine? I'm still not paying.

Other countries that have this tax can justify it by providing services using the money,any of the most used amenities around here are all privately owned.We were promised a new sports centre with athletics facilities by Paul Kehoe which was to be started immediately-that's 6 months ago.The only sports centre which will be built is to be constructed by the FAI,but I bet FG will try & take credit for it & tell us our €100 helped build it.
We can't even get the dogsh1t cleaned off our footpaths round here,let alone the green areas.€100 won't change that scenario either.Our 2 playgrounds are a disgrace,the original one is destroyed in graffiti & is a hangout for teenagers,the other looks like they went for the cheapest option available,I've seen better in peoples gardens.Funding was made available for this but it seems not all the money went towards the actual facility.I've never seen a single worker maintaining the place,the household charge won't improve one single public service around here.

A bogus charge with bogus motives,more fool anyone who believes this is for our benefit.

gerryo777 · 31-03-2012 11:19am

eth0 wrote: »

A brand new account just to promote the household charge. whatever next

DV must have 5 or 6 now!!!

Sionach · 31-03-2012 11:20am

gurramok wrote: »

Goldfingers wrote: »

Its extortion if you're already paying a management company for the exact same services that this 'payment' is going to provide.Kill the management companies,take charge in the local councils for what you aren't providing & I'd hav no problem paying.Until then,start singing.I will NEVER pay.

The tax says it pays for libraries and parks, they are not under the scope of your management company.

I live in the country. We don't have parks we have the countryside which is already there. So what exactly is this charge (once again this is not a tax) providing for people in the country. Are we going to get street lighting, footpaths and have all our roads tarmacadamed? Any chance of fibre powered broadband? Some how I don't think so.

gerryo777 · 31-03-2012 11:24am

gurramok wrote: »

Some countries do pay stamp duty also, some don't. On this in Ireland, the stamp duty would of been added to the house price you paid in the bubble if there was no stamp duty(ask any first time buyer about 317,500), you'd end up paying it in a mortgage anyway.

On stamp duty, I just don't understand the protest mentality. It was hefty yes but you still paid without a whim of protest yet 100 quid is a serious concern.

With stamp duty, if you needed to buy, there wasn't any choice!
BTW if anyone bought a standard 3 bed semi in or around 2006, the stamp duty would have been around €20-€25k or the same as 200-250 years worth of this property tax.
Money that is tied up in an average mortgage, averaged over 25 years, costing around €1,500 per year.
There's your property tax, now **** off, Phil!

Bruthal · 31-03-2012 11:26am

gerryo777 wrote: »

With stamp duty, if you needed to buy, there wasn't any choice!

He is telling others to pay this new tax he is not liable for.

squod · 31-03-2012 11:28am

katiecouric wrote: »

<snip>

Household Charge customer service department open Saturday 31st March from 9:00 a.m. to 8.30 p.m.

The Household Charge is an annual charge introduced by the Local Government (Household Charge) Act 2011 which is payable by owners of residential property. It is a matter for owners of residential properties to register and pay the Household Charge on or after the 1st of January 2012.

The EU/IMF Programme of Financial Support for Ireland commits the Government to the introduction of a property tax for 2012. We are one of the last countries in Europe that does not fund local services through local property-based charges.

These services are essential to your community. They include: fire and emergency services; maintenance and cleaning of streets; planning and development; public parks; street lighting; libraries; open spaces and leisure amenities. These facilities benefit everyone.

A property tax, requiring a comprehensive property valuation system, would take time to introduce and accordingly, to meet the requirements in the EU/IMF Programme, the Government has decided to introduce a Household Charge in 2012.The Household Charge is an interim measure only and a comprehensive and equitable valuation-based property tax will be introduced as soon as possible.

Registering an account just to troll on about the household charge. What if you don't want to see €100 getting pissed up against the wall?

FYI katiecouric........

squod wrote: »

Ray D'Arsey had a guest caller on named Sandra who proposed the idea to re-direct the €100 payment for the household charge and put it towards funding the €80m extension planned for Crumlin children's hospital.

Ray Darsey's abbreviated explanation of Sandra's plan.

Quote:
Because Crumlin are fund raising to rebuild their oncology and cardiac units people re-direct their €100 household charge to Crumlin.

So AH what do we think? Personally I think It's an excellent idea. It's possible I may listen to his show t'morrow to see if this story will progress.

Bruthal · 31-03-2012 11:29am

squod wrote: »

Registering an account just to troll on about the household charge. What if you don't want to see €100 getting pissed up against the wall?

FYI katiecouric........

That looks like a spam post.

The happy link in it is a porn site, but they messed up linking it.

DoesNotCompute · 31-03-2012 11:32am

steddyeddy wrote: »

Ever hear of a situation called poverty? A lot of people in this country are in it.

Irish people are not in poverty. Ever seen the shanty towns in India, Africa, or South America? That's real poverty.

gerryo777 · 31-03-2012 11:33am

robbie7730 wrote: »

He is telling others to pay this new tax he is not liable for.

Because he 'might' buy sometime down the road.
Not when the €2 a week turns into €30 per week.....

gerryo777 · 31-03-2012 11:35am

DoesNotCompute wrote: »

Irish people are not in poverty. Ever seen the shanty towns in India, Africa, or South America? That's real poverty.

We don't live in India, Africa or South America, Get a grip will ya!

Is this the newest argument for this tax??

MrMatisse · 31-03-2012 11:38am

If Irish people did not bother to pay their tax in the U.S. and break U.S. law they would know all about it.

People come on here and moan about the government. Most of the freeloaders who wont pay this pay fu*k all tax anyway.

Hopefully the continuing recession kicks them out of the country but since they wouldnt get lots of handouts elsewhere they will probably stay here

Bruthal · 31-03-2012 11:39am

DoesNotCompute wrote: »

Irish people are not in poverty. Ever seen the shanty towns in India, Africa, or South America? That's real poverty.

Well then, no need to pay. We will never be that badly off, will we?

Are you going to pay the household charge? [Part 1]

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