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Potential SHTF scenarios & tinfoil hat thread (Please read post 1)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,111 ✭✭✭ShadowFox




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,956 ✭✭✭Doc Ruby


    Doc Ruby wrote: »
    You might be more right than you know, it seems the plumes are coming from a greater depth than has been touched yet by climate change. And its not like nobody noticed before, this team has been working on the area for twenty years.
    It seems the release of arctic methane is accelerating.
    But this doesn't explain why Eric Kort of the Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, California, and his colleagues found patches of methane in remote regions of the Arctic Ocean, far from any of these known methane sources.

    The team found the patches during five flights over the Arctic Ocean between 2009 and 2010, as part of a project to systematically map greenhouse gas levels in the atmosphere.

    Kort estimates that, in the methane-rich regions, about 2 milligrams of the gas were being released per square metre of ocean every day. Some of the patches were close to the oil and gas plants in Prudhoe Bay, Alaska, but prevailing wind directions make these plants an unlikely source of the release.
    Basically they are finding evidence of methane plumes far away from where there should be any plumes, meaning that there's a lot more of it in there and/or its heating up a lot quicker than suspected.

    Edit: just reading some of the technical discussion on this story on another site, apparently nobody cares or really wants to comment on the clathrate gun hypothesis since if it happens we're all shagged anyway and there's nothing that can be done about it. :D

    Worst case scenario local map:
    europeMap.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,111 ✭✭✭ShadowFox




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,111 ✭✭✭ShadowFox




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,956 ✭✭✭Doc Ruby


    Looks like Russia just took a nosedive off the deep end:
    Russia says it is prepared to use "destructive force pre-emptively" if the US goes ahead with controversial plans for a missile defence system based in Central Europe.

    The warning came after the Russian defence minister said talks on missile defence were nearing a dead end.

    Moscow fears that missile interceptors would be a threat to Russia's security.

    But the US and Nato say they are intended to protect against attacks from Iran or North Korea.

    "A decision to use destructive force pre-emptively will be taken if the situation worsens," chief of the Russian defence staff Gen Nikolai Makarov said.
    Does this mean I get to wear my 1980s clothes again?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,111 ✭✭✭ShadowFox




  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,769 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tabnabs




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,956 ✭✭✭Doc Ruby


    Tabnabs wrote: »
    He's using some curious language and reasoning there. First he makes out Greece has a large and powerful military, which it does, then he seems to imply that France should lead the EU in an invasion of Greece, and leaves us with this zinger:
    The state of play in Europe is straightforward. Greece is very likely to become a failed state. Over the next five years, civil war is probable. The brute fact is that Greece has not succeeded in demonstrating that it can and should exist as a sovereign political entity.
    Erm? Greece has existed as a sovereign political entity since the bronze age, albeit with several hiccups along the way. It has survived a lot worse than owing a few shekels to Brussels!

    My guess would be certain sections of the media are having hysterical fits because of the successes of the neo nazi party in Greece. My own take on it would be that Greek voters did this strategically as a clear warning to mainstream political parties. Its not likely that a government will be formed, so they'll have to go back to a re-election, in which the neo nazis will be sent packing.

    So civil war, maybe but unlikely, unless the military launch a coup. EU intervention, not with force of arms.

    I am curious as to what he believes should replace this "failed state", subsumed into France or Germany perhaps? What does he think the oversized Greek military will have to say about that?

    Whatever happens, I wouldn't want to be in Greece over the coming few years, that's for sure!


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,769 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tabnabs


    An article in the mainstream US media about prepping
    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2018203926_preppers14m.html


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 902 ✭✭✭baords dyslexic


    Tabnabs wrote: »
    An article in the mainstream US media about prepping
    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2018203926_preppers14m.html

    Good article, also made me think about our forum title are we survivalists or preppers, is there a difference?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,956 ✭✭✭Doc Ruby


    Good article, also made me think about our forum title are we survivalists or preppers, is there a difference?
    Or bushcrafters? I never really liked that name, sounds like some sort of a designer gardener.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 902 ✭✭✭baords dyslexic


    Doc Ruby wrote: »
    Or bushcrafters? I never really liked that name, sounds like some sort of a designer gardener.

    Now you sound like you make willow baskets ;).


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,769 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tabnabs


    Good article, also made me think about our forum title are we survivalists or preppers, is there a difference?


    I think there is a subtle shift away from the term survivalist as it has some negative connotations (hiding in the woods, with guns and some strange beliefs for example). At the time this forum was proposed I suggested prepper but it was actively shot down. 'Preppers' and 'prepping' makes more sense to me, but survivalism seems to be a more acceptable term.

    I googled the book mentioned in the article, but there's a good review on Amazon that exposes it as being pretty worthless unfortunately.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,956 ✭✭✭Doc Ruby


    Now you sound like you make willow baskets ;).
    I only wish I was advanced enough in my skills to make willow baskets! :D Actually I might give that a whirl this summer, and upload a few pics if it doesn't come out looking too much like a briar patch.


  • Registered Users Posts: 563 ✭✭✭bonniebede


    Tabnabs wrote: »
    I think there is a subtle shift away from the term survivalist as it has some negative connotations (hiding in the woods, with guns and some strange beliefs for example). At the time this forum was proposed I suggested prepper but it was actively shot down. 'Preppers' and 'prepping' makes more sense to me, but survivalism seems to be a more acceptable term.

    I googled the book mentioned in the article, but there's a good review on Amazon that exposes it as being pretty worthless unfortunately.


    Interesting article, thanks. I would agree with you, when talking to friends or family I talk about being a 'prepper'. I think self sufficiency has a bit to do with it, but for me it's about having the skills to be a peasant farmer if I have to, but not being one while I don't.

    I have found that learning to garden for food has opened up a whole new hobby which combines good food, activity and lots of sunshine, so I love it. Never would have started if it wasn't for my interest in prepping.

    I liked the line about not thinking people are crazy because they have home insurance.

    In the States there is a lot more emphasis on having weapons than here, that introduces a whole new level of political polarisation over there. Not that relevant here with our gun control set up.

    I like the fact that on this board people clearly have different centers of focus for their interests, some are more outdoors, hikers and so on, so from them there is great info on immediate survival details; others clearly are more focused on self sufficiency and farming, etc.

    One difference I am coming to realise is that Ireland, being an Island has a limited population, so some of the fears about huge urban populations flooding to the countryside have less impact. Also we grow an awful lot of food per capita. Even with the loss of mechanisation, I think we could get a lot of the population through the first year with migration of the urban population centres outwards to rual locations. Not saying that wouldn't be brutal, just would rather my chances in Ireland than say in London.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,560 ✭✭✭touts


    bonniebede wrote: »
    Interesting article, thanks. I would agree with you, when talking to friends or family I talk about being a 'prepper'. I think self sufficiency has a bit to do with it, but for me it's about having the skills to be a peasant farmer if I have to, but not being one while I don't.

    I have found that learning to garden for food has opened up a whole new hobby which combines good food, activity and lots of sunshine, so I love it. Never would have started if it wasn't for my interest in prepping.

    I liked the line about not thinking people are crazy because they have home insurance.

    In the States there is a lot more emphasis on having weapons than here, that introduces a whole new level of political polarisation over there. Not that relevant here with our gun control set up.

    I like the fact that on this board people clearly have different centers of focus for their interests, some are more outdoors, hikers and so on, so from them there is great info on immediate survival details; others clearly are more focused on self sufficiency and farming, etc.

    One difference I am coming to realise is that Ireland, being an Island has a limited population, so some of the fears about huge urban populations flooding to the countryside have less impact. Also we grow an awful lot of food per capita. Even with the loss of mechanisation, I think we could get a lot of the population through the first year with migration of the urban population centres outwards to rual locations. Not saying that wouldn't be brutal, just would rather my chances in Ireland than say in London.

    If the world collapsed and hoards of Dubs flee the city and start roaming the countryside I'm sure Bertie will claim all those empty ghost estates in the middle of no where are actually the world's best example of prepping....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,348 ✭✭✭Rhinocharge


    Terror Attack in Yemen
    http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/site/?pageid=event_desc&edis_id=VW-20120521-35175-YEM
    A suicide bomber dressed in a military uniform killed at least 47 soldiers Monday at the central security headquarters in Yemen, two intelligence officials said.The soldiers were preparing for Tuesday's National Day of Unification ceremonies when they were attacked in the Yemeni capital of Sanaa. The blast wounded 36 other soldiers, the officials said.The day celebrates the union of South Yemen and North Yemen on May 22, 1990, to form Yemen.
    The attack took place about 200 meters (218 yards) away from the presidential palace."We heard a massive explosion. Minutes later, there were so many emergency vehicles, it seems as if hundreds were injured," said resident Ali al-Husseini, who was near the attack.The defense ministry said the defense minister was at the scene of the attack but escaped unharmed. The country's chief of staff, Ahmed al-Ashwal, was also present.No one immediately claimed responsibility for the attack.Last week, al-Qaeda's leader called for the Yemeni people to rise up against the country's new president, portraying him as the stooge of the unpopular former president, Ali Abdullah Saleh, and the United States."So, Ali Abdallah Saleh is gone, and his successor Abed Rabbo Mansour Hadi has taken over," al Qaeda's chief commander Ayman al-Zawahiri said in a video posted on jihadist forums.Saleh, who led Yemen for 30 years, relinquished power last year after an extended popular uprising in a transition agreement that was supported by the United States. But because Hadi was Saleh's vice president, al-Qaeda has exploited the connection to stir resentment against the new government.Last year, Ansaar al-Sharia, an offshoot of al Qaeda, took over the majority of districts in the southern Abyan province, benefiting from the political turmoil in the country. Numerous military bases were evacuated, making it easier for the militants groups to grow in power and territory.On Sunday, fierce clashes between government troops and al Qaeda fighters left 21 people dead, two local security officials said.The officials said the violence erupted when hundreds of troops attempted to sweep through areas around the district of Jaar, the main stronghold for al Qaeda in Abyan province.Al Qaeda fighters fought back, kicking off clashes that continued for nine hours, the officials said. Fourteen militants and seven troops were killed in the fighting, they said.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,956 ✭✭✭Doc Ruby


    Bit of flooding due over the next couple of days, get yer wellies on

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056662630


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 902 ✭✭✭baords dyslexic


    Doc Ruby wrote: »
    Bit of flooding due over the next couple of days, get yer wellies on

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056662630

    Rarely out of them :o

    As long its only the wellies and not the waders we need ;)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,635 ✭✭✭eth0


    Looking forward to a bit of floodgazing so. Standing at a lay-by just before the flood and waiting for some eejit to plough straight into it and create a massive splash


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,348 ✭✭✭Rhinocharge


    Irish Earthquake: http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/site/?pageid=event_desc&edis_id=EQ-20120607-35354-IRL
    A leading seismologist has said yesterday’s earthquake off the west coast was “unexpected” and poses “very interesting questions for geologists”. The earthquake, which registered a magnitude of four on the Richter scale, was recorded as 60km west of Belmullet, Co Mayo, at a depth of 3km, at 8.58am. It was the largest local seismic event ever recorded, according to Tom Blake of the Irish National Seismic Network (INSN) and the Dublin Institute of Advanced Studies. It was also the second-largest local earthquake on record in either Britain or Ireland, he said – the first being of 5.4 magnitude on July 19th, 1984, off the west coast of Wales and felt in Waterford and Wicklow. A 2.7 magnitude tremor was recorded in Lisdoonvarna, Co Clare, in May 2010. The Irish Coast Guard recorded instances of structural damage to houses in Erris, Co Mayo, yesterday and the British Geological Survey said the impact was felt in Galway, Mayo and Sligo.

    The Geological Survey of Ireland said earthquakes of this magnitude at this depth were “not very unusual although not common”. However, Mr Blake said that while the earthquake was classified as “moderate”, it was “significant” in that it challenged existing information about seismic activity off the west coast. The location, just 23km south to southeast of the Corrib gas wells, prompted a call by Sinn Féin councillor for Mayo Rose Conway-Walsh for reassurance that this was not connected to seismic testing Shell EP Ireland was due to initiate on the Corrib gas field last Friday. She also said many concerned residents wanted to know whether the existing Corrib gas infrastructure had been damaged. North Mayo hostel owner Betty Schult said the earthquake had shaken the foundations of her 250-year-old stone cottage and she was concerned about the impact on the offshore pipeline for the Corrib gas project and the refinery, situated on bog. Mr Blake said he had examined the seismic traces and they were “caused by earthquakes and nothing else”. Shell EP Ireland said the seismic survey had not started and it had “no reason to believe that this event has had any impact on the sub-sea infrastructure”.

    “However, as a precautionary measure, a visual inspection of the offshore infrastructure will be carried out in the coming days,” it said. Phil O’Hara of Aclare, Co Sligo, reported a chunk of her chimney on the ground, while in Westport, Co Mayo, Lorella Errani said she was reading about the earthquake near her mother’s home in Ravenna, Italy, when she heard a “deep rumbling noise”. The seismic activity was tracked in the Cliffs of Moher visitor centre in Co Clare and on the INSN network of permanent recorders. The tremors had caused “no unusual wave activity”, said Irish Coast Guard officer Ray Malanaphy. The Coast Guard said it had confirmed this with two vessels working on the Corrib gas field. Dr Brian McConnell of the Geological Survey said there could be some small aftershocks.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 902 ✭✭✭baords dyslexic


    eth0 wrote: »
    Looking forward to a bit of floodgazing so. Standing at a lay-by just before the flood and waiting for some eejit to plough straight into it and create a massive splash

    I did some river watching along with keeping an eye on met.ie's rainfall radar today and I think we got off very lightly in the West Waterford area. Our local river only got to what I consider the "primary flood phase" which is where you can see it from the kitchen window, the "final flood phase" which we were at least 3 feet above this time is where you can expereince it in the kitchen.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,081 ✭✭✭sheesh


    I cannot believe the Spanish financial situation has not got you guys going on the potential shtf situation.

    any thoughts on how much food I should store up for a possible currency change chaos?

    honestly I wish I was trolling :(


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,635 ✭✭✭eth0


    sheesh wrote: »
    I cannot believe the Spanish financial situation has not got you guys going on the potential shtf situation.

    any thoughts on how much food I should store up for a possible currency change chaos?

    honestly I wish I was trolling :(


    Its amazing how stable things really are. A few countries borrowed too much money, which isn't even real money like it was back in the day, a few companies going bust and a few lads selling their shares and a bit of a panic over it.

    70 short years ago a war would have started over this by now


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,560 ✭✭✭touts


    sheesh wrote: »
    I cannot believe the Spanish financial situation has not got you guys going on the potential shtf situation.

    any thoughts on how much food I should store up for a possible currency change chaos?

    honestly I wish I was trolling :(

    Impossible to know. We're not talking "The Road" type situation but if the whole thing goes whallop and we go back to the Punt there will be chaos for a few weeks followed by crippling austerity for a few years followed by growth in a decade or two. Think Argentina in 2001/2002. There would be panic buying at the start for a few days/weeks, followed by price gouging by bastard shopkeepers followed by a slow return to reliable supply of food. Expensive food but food. But we aren't going to have a situation where a loaf of bread costs trillions of punts. More likely the devaluation will be 50% so prices will be roughly twice what they are now which certainly adds up and will have you looking to the cheaper own brand options in aldi and lidl.

    So it is probably worth adding a few extra staples (rice, pasta, tins etc) to your weekly shop. Put them aside and over a few weeks you will find you have enough to get you through a month of initial panic, closed banks/atms and empty shelves (sort of like in Argentina). You may not dine like kings but with a little meal planning you won't starve.

    You could not store enough food to get you through the years of austerity that will follow so don't bother trying. Instead spend some money on garden tools and learning how to grow veg in your back garden. If you go to east european countries like Poland, Bulgaria etc most houses in the countryside have large vegetable plots just like our grandparents used to. You may not be completely self sufficent but a little investment now in the equipment and know how will allow you grow your own carrots, parsnips, beetroot, onions, garlic, herbs, salad greens, cabbage, potatoes, rhubarb, fruit bushes, etc so you have more to spend on things you can't produce yourself like milk, meat, fish, etc (of course if you have the space you could well have a cow, pig, hens etc to give you these things but most people don't).

    Given the power of the public unions in this country you have to assume that any state dependent services will be off line for a while also. Water, Electricity/Gas (ESB/Bord Gais mean even with competition the state is still the main supplier), Gardai, Hospitals, Schools etc will all shut down for a few weeks as their unions do a King Canute and try to hold back the waves of cutbacks. Once they realise the mob outside their offices are not there to support them the Unions will come around but you should at least have an idea of how to get by for a few weeks. Water/Gas piped supply relies on electric pumps so may go out. If you have an electric hob or oil fired central heating they will go out. So stock up on some Candles, Batteries, wind up radios/torch, a camping gas cooker & drum. If you have oil/gas central heating how will you heat your home if the strike happens in winter (remember not all modern fireplaces have proper surrounds/backs etc to be used with real fires). How will you get water home if you have to depend on a tanker or friends with their own well.

    Finally crime will spike. There are many scumbags that our modern judicial system has kept out of jail so expect them to run riot if the lights are out and the Guards are on strike. Look what happened in England last August when the scumbags realised the police couldn't cope. Argentina saw a wave of riots and gun crime in the initial weeks and today crime levels are very very high but they were starting from a much worse position in terms of social inequality and associated criminality. In most cases neighbours will band together and help one another (think of the floods a few years ago where the government seemed paralised to act but local communities helped out). But don't rely completely on the good nature of others and make sure you have good locks on your doors and windows.


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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,769 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tabnabs


    I think this could lead to some panic should it be enforced. Unluckily for me, my back balance is generally below the max limit anyway... :(

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2012/0612/breaking24.html


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,615 ✭✭✭kildare.17hmr


    Cash in the matress time :(


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,620 ✭✭✭_AVALANCHE_


    Cash in the matress time :(
    in euros :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,569 ✭✭✭Builderfromhell


    I wonder if keeping cash,of any currency, would help a family survive a sudden economic crash.
    Food, fuel and other essentials might have a more immediate real value.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,560 ✭✭✭touts


    I wonder if keeping cash,of any currency, would help a family survive a sudden economic crash.
    Food, fuel and other essentials might have a more immediate real value.

    Indeed. How long will the cash last if some fecker is charging you €20 for a box of cornflakes.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,956 ✭✭✭Doc Ruby


    If the euro does collapse it won't be a month before euro 2, the son of euro makes an appearance. There's just way too much money and power in a single currency serving a half billion people for the politicos to ignore.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14 cranberryjuice


    I wonder if keeping cash,of any currency, would help a family survive a sudden economic crash.
    Food, fuel and other essentials might have a more immediate real value.

    I'd have to agree, and neither would I see gold as a safe option in the immediate chaos. If we're totally back to basics, food, heat and water is what we'll need. I hear the Greeks are stockpiling food as we speak. Maybe I'll nip into aldi later myself... And I see Sky news are planning a special programming event this weekend about the Eurozone crisis - live updates type thing. I'm guessing that's not a good thing.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,615 ✭✭✭kildare.17hmr


    Cash is going to be handy in the immidiate aftermath of something like atm machienes stopping working. You could stock up on extra supplies of stuff you didnt have or could maybe do with having more off before the shelves are empty and the real shtf!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,560 ✭✭✭touts


    Doc Ruby wrote: »
    If the euro does collapse it won't be a month before euro 2, the son of euro makes an appearance. There's just way too much money and power in a single currency serving a half billion people for the politicos to ignore.

    True. They could have it all switched in a few days especially electronic transactions. But the disruption to supply chains could last a few weeks. Panic buying will have emptied the shelves and suppliers will be slow to replenish as they try to figure out the new prices in a rapidly devalued market. Also never underestimate how our inept civil service and greedy bankers will find new ways to mess up and delay the process. It could be sorted in a week but my feeling is that it is best to have a few weeks worth of basic staples.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,956 ✭✭✭Doc Ruby


    touts wrote: »
    it is best to have a few weeks worth of basic staples.
    Always.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14 cranberryjuice


    Don't mean to be a pain but could anyone recommend a link or something where I could find a list of basic essentials to get if TSHTF. Getting more than a little nervous now...
    The foreign minister, who was speaking as Spain's long-term borrowing costs hit an unsustainable 7%, warned that other European countries would suffer dreadfully if they let Spain fall. ''If the Titanic sinks, it takes everyone with it, even those travelling in first class,'' he said, in a warning clearly aimed at Germany and other eurozone countries.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2012/jun/14/spain-eurozone-impending-doom?newsfeed=true


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,615 ✭✭✭kildare.17hmr


    Plenty of threads in this forum will help uou out


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,620 ✭✭✭_AVALANCHE_


    Buy 1 get 1 free on Cadburys Roses in Dunnes.

    What else do you want.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,620 ✭✭✭_AVALANCHE_


    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056431290
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056417683

    I know their is a food thread around somewhere....

    Tins anyway, rice, cereal.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,635 ✭✭✭eth0


    What else do you want.

    Some good solid 80%+ chocolate. None of this oul girl's blouse tack


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,956 ✭✭✭Doc Ruby


    Jesus christ, remind me of that thread anytime I get tempted to send him an olive branch PM.
    Grizzly 45 wrote:
    Nor would I be too botherd telling my neighbours,family or relatives ,who scoff at such preparations anyway,but will be the first to show up on your retreat door with plenty of other useless mouths that need feeding when things go bad.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,615 ✭✭✭kildare.17hmr


    Doc Ruby wrote: »
    Jesus christ, remind me of that thread anytime I get tempted to send him an olive branch PM.
    Grizzly 45 wrote:
    Nor would I be too botherd telling my neighbours,family or relatives ,who scoff at such preparations anyway,but will be the first to show up on your retreat door with plenty of other useless mouths that need feeding when things go bad.
    He's right tho people like that will bleed you dry


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,956 ✭✭✭Doc Ruby


    He's right tho people like that will bleed you dry
    No, he's saying he'd let his own family starve in an emergency. :rolleyes: Whatever, I'm not really interested in post mortems, just struck me as particularly nasty.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,620 ✭✭✭_AVALANCHE_


    eth0 wrote: »
    Some good solid 80%+ chocolate. None of this oul girl's blouse tack
    Over 72% and it's just not nice.

    Mmmm, Roses.:pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,615 ✭✭✭kildare.17hmr


    Doc Ruby wrote: »
    No, he's saying he'd let his own family starve in an emergency. :rolleyes: Whatever, I'm nRot really interested in post mortems, just struck me as particularly nasty.
    that would be worst case scenario every man for him self kind of **** where you would turn away people if no use to the group and that would be a burdon and just use supplies. I would have the same ideas in that situation.

    In an emergency id help anyone i could in what ever way i could but if it came to having to make a decision on whos lives were more important id pick mine and my familys


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,956 ✭✭✭Doc Ruby


    that would be worst case scenario
    No, that would be a particularly murderous case of schadenfreude. Anyway, I'll comment on it no more, the thread is off topic enough.


  • Registered Users Posts: 563 ✭✭✭bonniebede


    don't forget people don't just consume calories they can also contribute them.

    I mean by helping to farm and hunt of course:rolleyes:

    not....



  • Registered Users Posts: 563 ✭✭✭bonniebede


    Don't mean to be a pain but could anyone recommend a link or something where I could find a list of basic essentials to get if TSHTF. Getting more than a little nervous now...

    Try this thread

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=75932304


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,769 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tabnabs


    After the discovery of explosives on the premises of Swedish nuclear power plant Ringhals south of Gothenburg on Wednesday afternoon, authorities quickly raised the threat level at all Swedish nuclear facilities.

    “They have all raised the threat level as a precaution,” said Maria Stråhle at the Swedish Radiation Safety Authority (Strålsäkerhetsmyndigheten) to news agency TT.

    The explosive device was found on a large truck that had been on the industrial estate belonging to the plant and was returning into the reactor area, which is more heavily guarded.

    “Under the first step onto the truck there is a fire extinguisher and that is where the explosive had been placed,” said Gösta Larsen of the Ringhals plant to TT.

    He said that police suspect that a civilian has prepared the explosive and that it was the size of a “small fist”.

    The device was not primed and was not large enough to do damage to a reactor, according to Larsen. However, he confirmed that the threat levels had been raised as a result of the find and said that any discovery of explosives on the plant’s premises was “worrying”.

    According to the county police, the device was in the shape of “plastic explosive” and the truck where it was discovered never leaves the plant’s immediate environs.

    “The truck was entering the guarded area when the device was found by the plant’s own sniffer dogs,” said police spokesman Tommy Nyman.

    The entire premises were searched with sniffer dogs over night but no other discoveries have been found and police so far have no suspects.

    However, a preliminary investigation is under way and the incident has been classified as a suspected sabotage attempt.

    Police will question truck drivers and officers are currently trying to find out where and when the suspected explosive could have been placed on the vehicle.

    “We will speak to everyone we think could have information about the incident,” Nyman said to TT.

    The device was sent off to the National Laboratory of Forensic Science (Statens kriminaltekniska laboratorium – SKL) in Linköping for testing soon after the discovery and scientists have since confirmed that it was an explosive found on the plant premises.

    http://www.thelocal.se/41576/20120621/


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,560 ✭✭✭touts


    Right about now I'll bet lots of Ulster Bank customers are wishing they had a small stockpile of food & staples. As someone said on the last word lastnight if the Euro goes whallop the Ulster Bank disaster will be replicated a thousand fold across the country.

    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/thousands-without-cash-as-bank-fails-to-fix-it-crash-3146374.html


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