New Pub at Barker House [Mrs Robinson]

vinpaul

Work progressing rapidly on new Public House on Church Road. Anybody know who is to be the operator/landlord?. When is it opening? Looks like their aiming to open before Christmas.
It will be nice to see an alternative to the one watering hole in town. It will also put it up to the one publican who owns and controls both the existing premises to have serious competition.
Looking forward to seeing new pub completed.

INUTERO

Hi,a little bird has told me it will be open by Christmas and its owned by the same crowd who own the Wright venue in Swords.

Charlie-Bravo

Planning was granted back in February - I think they should have got their act together a little quicker. If they wanted to capture the Christmas trade, then having it open at least 3 weeks before Christmas would be good. How are we doing for time?

I think January/February will be dead for them with Christmas cash all spent and the budget hitting everyone hard. They don't have regulars yet so they better come up with a good theme/food or whatever to get the constant trade. Hopefully they'll do the right thing and keep the riff-raff out.

vinpaul

INUTERO wrote: »

Hi,a little bird has told me it will be open by Christmas and its owned by the same crowd who own the Wright venue in Swords.

After hearing from the hairdresser next door to new pub that delay has arisen. Apparently an objection has come from another similar trader in town. Poster mentioning next year for opening seems to be somewhat correct. Pity

Jimjay

vinpaul wrote: »

After hearing from the hairdresser next door to new pub that delay has arisen. Apparently an objection has come from another similar trader in town. Poster mentioning next year for opening seems to be somewhat correct. Pity

We will have to see. I heard the objection was Ages ago and since then planning was granted. I dont see how another objection can be made after granting of planning and during works?

pixbyjohn

An Bord Pleanála


PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT ACTS 2000 TO 2010


Wicklow County


Planning Register Reference Number: 10/2639


An Bord Pleanála Reference Number: PL 27.237592


APPEAL by The Burnaby Hotel Limited care of John Hodgins Architects of Amalfi, Rocky Road, Wicklow Town against the decision made on the 25th day of August, 2010 by Wicklow County Council to grant subject to conditions a permission to Owen Owens care of OCA Architects of 44-45 Lower Camden Street, Dublin in accordance with plans and particulars lodged with the said Council.


PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT: Change of use of existing ground floor unit of 224.1 square metres from retail use to public house use; additional door to bin store to rear of the existing unit; part of the development recently constructed pursuant to planning register reference numbers 06/6315, 07/2749 and 08/562 on an overall site area of 0.0915 hectares at Barker House, Church Road and Hillside Road, Greystones, County Wicklow.

DECISION

GRANT permission for the above proposed development in accordance with the said plans and particulars based on the reasons and considerations under and subject to the conditions set out below.


MATTERS CONSIDERED

In making its decision, the Board had regard to those matters to which, by virtue of the Planning and Development Acts and Regulations made thereunder, it was required to have regard. Such matters included any submissions and observations received by it in accordance with statutory provisions.

http://www.wicklow.ie/ePlan41/FileRefDetails.aspx?file_number=102639&LASiteID=0

Jimjay

pixbyjohn wrote: »

An Bord Pleanála


PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT ACTS 2000 TO 2010


Wicklow County


Planning Register Reference Number: 10/2639


An Bord Pleanála Reference Number: PL 27.237592


APPEAL by The Burnaby Hotel Limited care of John Hodgins Architects of Amalfi, Rocky Road, Wicklow Town against the decision made on the 25th day of August, 2010 by Wicklow County Council to grant subject to conditions a permission to Owen Owens care of OCA Architects of 44-45 Lower Camden Street, Dublin in accordance with plans and particulars lodged with the said Council.


PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT: Change of use of existing ground floor unit of 224.1 square metres from retail use to public house use; additional door to bin store to rear of the existing unit; part of the development recently constructed pursuant to planning register reference numbers 06/6315, 07/2749 and 08/562 on an overall site area of 0.0915 hectares at Barker House, Church Road and Hillside Road, Greystones, County Wicklow.

DECISION

GRANT permission for the above proposed development in accordance with the said plans and particulars based on the reasons and considerations under and subject to the conditions set out below.


MATTERS CONSIDERED

In making its decision, the Board had regard to those matters to which, by virtue of the Planning and Development Acts and Regulations made thereunder, it was required to have regard. Such matters included any submissions and observations received by it in accordance with statutory provisions.

http://www.wicklow.ie/ePlan41/FileRefDetails.aspx?file_number=102639&LASiteID=0

Sorry Im not sure how to read that.
I think it says permission granted, despite burnaby objection on term that noise is not above certain level and that signage is agreed in advance.

Is that correct in basic terms?
Ta

The Bishop Basher

Jimjay wrote: »

Sorry Im not sure how to read that.
I think it says permission granted, despite burnaby objection on term that noise is not above certain level and that signage is agreed in advance.

Is that correct in basic terms?
Ta

That's it in a nutshell. The noise level conditions are pretty technical. The rest of them are standard.

Really hope this place opens soon and does well...

vinpaul

Looks like it's all systems go for developer of Pub.
Heard a rumour that a "Night Club" is planned for upstairs. This would surely require a new planning application and having read the earlier one regarding "Noise levels" and operating times for music, it would look highly unlikely that any further application would be successful.

Blandpebbles

I am looking forward to seeing this place open although both the Beach House and Burnaby are fine drinking holes as it is and there really isn't the demand for another pub apart from the desire to look at different surroundings.

A niteclub? A bit of competition for Upstairs at the Beach House.

I hope it will not go a little something like this ...

1. Wow look at the new pub, lets all go
2. Isn't the new pub doing well, its jammers
3. I just love having another venue to go to the once a month I go out
4. Jeez they dont serve Champagne and the cavier is crap
5. They are letting in all the fellas barred from everywhere else
6. Complaints of noise and disturbance
7. 'Special' event nights to get the punters in
8. Owners post on boards.ie asking what beer they should sell
9. Oh dear not much trade
10. Closed

Finally the deciding factor on whether it will be a winner is... is there a bookies next to it.. if not, fail!

As long as they have a quiz night I will be satisfied.

Annasopra

Maybe we could give it time to open before predicting it's demise!

LEIN

Blandpebbles wrote: »

I am looking forward to seeing this place open although both the Beach House and Burnaby are fine drinking holes as it is and there really isn't the demand for another pub apart from the desire to look at different surroundings.

A niteclub? A bit of competition for Upstairs at the Beach House.

I hope it will not go a little something like this ...

1. Wow look at the new pub, lets all go
2. Isn't the new pub doing well, its jammers
3. I just love having another venue to go to the once a month I go out
4. Jeez they dont serve Champagne and the cavier is crap
5. They are letting in all the fellas barred from everywhere else
6. Complaints of noise and disturbance
7. 'Special' event nights to get the punters in
8. Owners post on boards.ie asking what beer they should sell
9. Oh dear not much trade
10. Closed

Finally the deciding factor on whether it will be a winner is... is there a bookies next to it.. if not, fail!

As long as they have a quiz night I will be satisfied.

Your comparison to the Greystones inn is slightly flawed in respect that the new pub is in a prime location in the middle of the town.

noital

Apparently is going to be a wine bar type place, and its Alan Clancy, formerly of Dusty Millers and a few other places that is taking it on.

Hopefully it will be a good place. Would have though a night club would have needed planning and also doubt a night club could operate with the noise restrictions.

The Bishop Basher

noital wrote: »

Apparently is going to be a wine bar type place, and its Alan Clancy, formerly of Dusty Millers and a few other places that is taking it on.

I really hope this isn't the case.

We don't need a wine bar. We need a Pub.

dr ro

sign says wine bar.

The Bishop Basher

dr ro wrote: »

sign says wine bar.

A completley wasted opportunity IMO

I'll stick with Dann's

Blandpebbles

Wine Bar... oh dear... skip to point 4 of my list, do not pass go do not gain business credibility by catering to key demographics.

Plastik

I like wine, I'd have preferred a regular pub though.

artvandelay48

Swanner wrote: »

A completley wasted opportunity IMO

I'll stick with Dann's

Not necessarily. People say we need another pub but I've yet to be in either greystones pub and not be able to get a seat. As another poster has said, possibly the only need for a pub is to have new surroundings. After all, where are the new punters going to come from? Are there that people out there staying away from the greystones pubs out of principle?

I think there is a need for a pub type place that does good food at reasonable prices; the food in both the Beach House and Burnaby is average at best. There have been more than a few times that we have wanted to get a nice casual meal and not wanted to wait to get a table at the three q's or didn't want to pay the hungry monk prices.

So maybe someone has spotted a gap in the market and thought that people might want to go somewhere to get a decent glass of wine and decent food. I think they should be given the benefit of the doubt for offering something that isn't exactly the same as we already have (and that isn't oversubscribed). Not all wine bars are like Leggs after all. ;-)

The Bishop Basher

I love wine too....but I don't go to a "wine bar" to drink it.

I buy it cheap in the Supermarket and drink it at home

The pub's for pints.

Blandpebbles is on the button here...they have completley misjudged the demographic and probably based the decision on what everyone expects Greystones to be like as opposed to any real market research.

I give it 6 months.

The Bishop Basher

artvandelay48 wrote: »

Are there that people out there staying away from the greystones pubs out of principle?

In many cases, Yes.

Dann's is probably the only pub with anything resembling an atmosphere in Greystones.

I don't want to derail the thread so won't eloborate only to say people are crying out for choice and just want a friendly pub, with great food, atmosphere and most importantly - Service !!

This wine bar is just celtic tiger ****e and about 5 years too late.

d31b0y

There are plenty of coffee shops around that are doing well... and the yummy mummies who frequent them are only one small disagreement or one bold child away from hitting the drink at the best of times IMO. I think we might be surprised with how many people pop in there.

youknowwho

I hear "Mrs Robinsons" is going to be a pub and will open on 10 December..... all going well.

Jimjay

Lets see it first. Wine bar is just a label, most wine bars are just pubs that have a lot of choice of wine, they still sell beer, still have bar stools and tables to sit at tO drink your beer or wine.

Whats the big deal if they call it a wine bar?

Btw, i dont go to burnaby due to my principles. So looking forward to a venue i will go to.

asrielgk

Jimjay wrote: »

Lets see it first. Wine bar is just a label, most wine bars are just pubs that have a lot of choice of wine, they still sell beer, still have bar stools and tables to sit at tO drink your beer or wine.

Whats the big deal if they call it a wine bar?

Btw, i dont go to burnaby due to my principles. So looking forward to a venue i will go to.

Wrights Wine Bar in Swords, is exactly that. A small bar that sells lots of different wines. But majority in the late evenings are on a bar stool drinking pints.

G

The Bishop Basher

Let's hope so

Charlie-Bravo

youknowwho wrote: »

I hear "Mrs Robinsons" is going to be a pub and will open on 10 December..... all going well.

10 full days till opening, yeah right :rolleyes:

***must pop my head in to see how much is left to do before I start wagering bets on boards.ie again***

@Jimjay - sorry I must have missed your point of principle, or this something you've kept private?

***edit: There's a 'Wine Bar' at El Rincon - wow, how that has taken off!

matt-dublin

Astro, the principle I believe is the owner/manager of said bar is rude and obnoxious at the best of times. The pub also lacks atmosphere unless there's a major sporting event on and even then you can't see anything

d31b0y

Boooooooo!

Let's keep this about the new establishment. We all know how people feel about the other pub / pubs.

The Durutti Column

Where exactly is it to be?

Will it have a decent range of beers? Or just the tied Diageo ****e? I've only once ever been in an Irish bar outside Cork which offered all three commercial stouts, for example, and that was in Limerick...

Annasopra

mango salsa wrote: »

Maybe we could give it time to open before predicting it's demise!

Obviously not :rolleyes:

Can't believe how negative and moany and cynical this forum is sometimes

audreyp

Wine bar sounds lovely. Looking forward to it opening.

dudmis

I think it great that so many people are prepared to take a chance opening up new pubs/shops etc in this climate - theres not many towns in Ireland where new ventures are springing up. That makes it all the more important that we support these ventures as much as possible.

artvandelay48

dudmis wrote: »

I think it great that so many people are prepared to take a chance opening up new pubs/shops etc in this climate - theres not many towns in Ireland where new ventures are springing up. That makes it all the more important that we support these ventures as much as possible.

Exactly, I was just saying to my wife the other day that it was nice to see so few empty premises on the main street. Apart from Barker House, all empty premises have been taken. ebaby is being taken over by the Hungry Monk. The Florist's is being taken over by the italian. Both the shop up from the Three Qs and the office beside the train station have been let out. I don't think you would get that anywhere else. People should be a little happier about all this.

Dr.Silly

I can't wait for this place to open, as personally speaking, as I'm not fond of the other pub on the main street.
Hopefully they'll be in time for christmas but I wish them luck either way and hope it succeeds.
Can't beat the old vino and cheese imo !!

The Bishop Basher

I'm generally positive about most things on here.

However I'll also say how I feel, even if it happens to be negative.

I supppose i'm just really disappointed. We've been waiting a long time for a decent boozer. For those of you who remember the good old days in the Burnaby before it was done up, or the sessions in the La Touche bar, with happy hour on a Friday, everyone knew everyone, people of all ages mixed together and management and punters not only knew eachother but all joined in on the craic. If you were heading to a party after closing and needed booze they'd give you a bottle of vodka or whatever and you could drop a new one back the next day. They were magic days and the pub felt like a proper local...

Maybe i'm dreaming that we'll ever experience that again, but I had hoped that a new place would give us a shot

I'll definately check it out and the name could be misleading....either way I wish them well.

Merrilady

Must say, Im looking forward to a new place to go for a drink thats in the village.

My new lovely local is the Horse and Hound in Delgany - Lovely little pub now with a fab beer garden ( roll on summer hahahaha )

Blandpebbles

The Durutti Column wrote: »

Where exactly is it to be?

Will it have a decent range of beers? Or just the tied Diageo ****e? I've only once ever been in an Irish bar outside Cork which offered all three commercial stouts, for example, and that was in Limerick...

And so the 'they dont have the drink I like' saga begins..

Blandpebbles

mango salsa wrote: »

Obviously not :rolleyes:

Can't believe how negative and moany and cynical this forum is sometimes

Sometimes?

Charlie-Bravo

Constrcutive comments I call them - Don't get me wrong, I'm excited about it opening and have been since I saw the planning notice up. I do have a drink out in Greystones from time to time - there is a real lack of choice though. A bar in the guise of a wine bar is perfect IMO. As long as it is a little different, it will definitely be one for consideration when meeting up with the lads for a few!

Blandpebbles

dudmis wrote: »

I think it great that so many people are prepared to take a chance opening up new pubs/shops etc in this climate - theres not many towns in Ireland where new ventures are springing up. That makes it all the more important that we support these ventures as much as possible.

Come on thats completely unrealistic.. if a business doesn't cater for demographics or provide a service you need would you really use them? Would you buy a pint even if you were tee-total, just to help them?

Attracting customers to a business should be organic and predictable if the right research is done beforehand.

Market saturation has been reached for beer vendors in Greystones.. no amount of marketting will change that.

Plastik

Blandpebbles wrote: »

Market saturation has been reached for beer vendors in Greystones.. no amount of marketting will change that.

Not even close in my opinion.

Dr.Silly

Blandpebbles wrote: »

Attracting customers to a business should be organic and predictable if the right research is done beforehand.

Blandpebbles, do you have a business of your own ?

If only having your own business was so easy, we'd all be millionaires !

dudmis

Blandpebbles wrote: »

Come on thats completely unrealistic.. if a business doesn't cater for demographics or provide a service you need would you really use them? Would you buy a pint even if you were tee-total, just to help them?

Attracting customers to a business should be organic and predictable if the right research is done beforehand.

Market saturation has been reached for beer vendors in Greystones.. no amount of marketting will change that.

Obviously, if a business offered a service that I really didn't want/use, I wouldn't just use it to keep it in business.

But these things are never so black and white.

For my part, most of the things I purchase in Greystones can be purchased cheaper and more conveniently online (eg Amazon, pet stores etc), but I recognise that Greystones is a lovely town to live in and that having a nice selection of local shops contributes to that. So I try to do my bit (as much as my budget will allow).

I would also be interested to go back thru this forum and review all the new shops that were doomed from the start by those on boards (eg the new florist) - some of them seem to have (happily) ignored the predictions.

Blandpebbles

Dr.Silly wrote: »

Blandpebbles, do you have a business of your own ?

If only having your own business was so easy, we'd all be millionaires !

22 Years of Business and Management Consulting across the world I think its enough to pass comment.

I don't claim that all businesses I have provided consulting too are successful in fact its the failures that provide the most valuable learnings.

In this case we have a clear inconsistency between the needs of the population and the service about to be provided.

I am assuming Plastiks comment 'not even close' is sarcastic given that the pubs are nowhere near capacity most nights.

Folks might complain about the negativity but unjustified optimism is just as concerning.

As an example, all the fanfare around Auntie Nellies Sweet Shop and yet on the average rain soaked day there is barely anyone in it. Sure its 'busy' at the weekends but that hardly helps.

Opening a shop that caters mostly for kids when kids are in school 90% of the day is flawed. It's just a simple example highlighting that no footfall survey was taken to determine potential shopper volumes.

Likewise, has anyone been stopped recently in Greystones by a person taking survey on what shops and services they would like to see start up?

Nope.

If only the optimism shown here could magick away such errors.

Dr.Silly

Blandpebbles wrote: »

22 Years of Business and Management Consulting across the world I think its enough to pass comment.

That's alot of experience, and I don't mean any disprespect whatsoever, but there is a big difference in consulting, and actually running and managing your own business.

Plastik

My comment was not sarcasm. Point me in the direction of pubs that are near capacity most nights of the week? Very few and far between outside of major urban centres, and even at that only a few can manage it. The fact that the current pubs in Greystones are less than capacity or fully supported can be attributed to three things, location of the pubs, that the market is at saturation point or than the current pubs are a poor choice and people would rather venture elsewhere.

You quite clearly think it's the middle of those three while I happen to believe its a combination of the other two. I think another pub in a prime location on the main street has an excellent opportunity of doing well.

Annasopra

Blandpebbles wrote: »

Market saturation has been reached for beer vendors in Greystones.. no amount of marketting will change that.

do you have actual market research to back that up?

mirrorball

mango salsa wrote: »

do you have actual market research to back that up?

Yes, I'd be interested to see it too. There are towns that have streets full of pubs. If you have the right venue in a decent location you can do well.

Anyway, who needs real market research? Blandpebbles has an eye for these things, just ask him how many visitors from Dublin the harbour gets........:pac:

pixbyjohn

mango salsa wrote: »

do you have actual market research to back that up?

Its a simple answer..... either yes or no

Blandpebbles

Sure.. When you are ready to pay its all yours... Consultant... Remember?

Perhaps the positive spinners could also back up their upbeat projections with their research... Just to keep the discussion balanced.