Seanie Johnston Kildare Transfer?

Lemlin

Said I'd post this on the forum rather than in the Cavan thread as Kildare/Leinster people might be interested.

From the local paper here in Cavan:

http://www.anglocelt.ie/news/roundup/articles/2011/11/23/4007898-johnston-meets-mcgeeney-as-kildare-rumours-intensify/

Seanie Johnston could be on the verge of a shock switch to Kildare, The Anglo-Celt can exclusively reveal.

It is understood that the Cavan Gaels clubman met with Lilywhites manager Kieran McGeeney the weekend before last to explore the switch.

However, a source in Kildare, who confirmed that the meeting took place, stated that it's "all up in the air" at present.

For full story, see this week's Anglo-Celt.

A number of the national newspapers, such as the Star, have also picked up on this. It'd be very hard for him to transfer however as he works in Cavan town in a secondary school and would have to be living and working in Kildare to be granted a transfer.

keane2097

The Secretary of the Cavan County Board has said they haven't been approached about a transfer at all:

http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=158317

Cavan secretary Liam McCabe has revealed that rumours over Seanie Johnston's move to Kildare are unfounded.

Speculation that the ace Cavan forward is set to transfer to the Lilywhites has grown in recent weeks, especially since it was announced that the Cavan Gaels player was axed from the county squad, in a surprising move by manager Val Andrews.

However, McCabe revealed that any such move would have to go through the proper channels and as of yet, Johnston has not requested a transfer.

"Any player who transfers must do so by rule," McCabe stressed to the Leinster Leader. "At the moment we (Cavan County Board) have not been approached about this issue."

Johnson would be a great get for Kildare as their lack of scoring forwards is their one major problem.

Brendan Murphy from Carlow who would probably be on a best in the land team is the latest player linked:

http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=158402

Hammer Archer

Does Johnston live in Kildare?
If not, how exactly does he expect this transfer to be approved?

blackbelt

Can't see it happening unless the Kildare County Board were to offer him a job or if he were to find other work in Kildare.Think he would be a good addition but I don't think his addition would be as impactful such as winning a Leinster or All Ireland.

keane2097

blackbelt wrote: »

Can't see it happening unless the Kildare County Board were to offer him a job or if he were to find other work in Kildare.Think he would be a good addition but I don't think his addition would be as impactful such as winning a Leinster or All Ireland.

They were a kick of a ball away from winning a Leinster last year and he's a serious footballer.

Dublin fans seem to think they've accelerated away out of sight from every teams they can easily be seen to have been lucky to beat last year, but there's not much at all between them and Kildare.

hardybuck

Kildare were again very close this year to winning something, but again no cigar. I don't want to feed a big Dublin discussion, but no only were they very fortunate to scrape past Kildare, they were very fortunate to scrape past Wexford.

Kildare are always open to the prospect of new players, and always have over the years, so I would say there is some strength to this.

What is the story with Johnston anyway - he isn't being dropped from the Cavan squad because of lack of ability anyway.

lala88

If its in the Star in must be true....

Utopia Parkway

Would be a bit ridiculous if it happened in fairness. One thing a lad who is not anywhere near his own county panel and is living and working away from home. Seanie Johnston is Cavan's best player (when he on the panel) and as far as I know still lives and works in Cavan. Put that through and you may as well have an open transfer system in place.

hisholinessnb

keane2097 wrote: »

I would like to think that Dublin fans seem to think they've accelerated away out of sight from every teams, just to fuel my stereotypical view of Dublin GAA fans, but I would of course be wrong

Fixed that for you.

keane2097

hisholinessnb wrote: »

Fixed that for you.

What's your opinion on the impact Johnson would have on Kildare's ability to win Leinster?

I'd argue that a scorer of his quality taking the pressure off John Doyle would have gotten Kildare over the line in last year's Leinster SF, and similarly that if the teams were to meet again this year it would be a very tight game with or without Johnson, who would possibly tip the scales slightly in Kildare's favour.

keane2097

hisholinessnb wrote: »

Fixed that for you.

Blackbelt's post subscribed exactly to the attitude that other teams have regressed to well below Dublin's level I suggested was common among Dublin supporters by the way, as did a recent post he made in the Kerry thread in relation to the fairly irrelevant McGrath Cup.

Do you feel Blackbelt's comments are out of left-field compared to most other Dublin supporters?

The previous comment I referred to is quoted for you convenience.

blackbelt wrote: »

May be another few years before Kerry win another All Ireland if they continue with this attitude.

Laois_Man

keane2097 wrote: »

What's your opinion on the impact Johnson would have on Kildare's ability to win Leinster?

I'd argue that a scorer of his quality taking the pressure off John Doyle would have gotten Kildare over the line in last year's Leinster SF, and similarly that if the teams were to meet again this year it would be a very tight game with or without Johnson, who would possibly tip the scales slightly in Kildare's favour.

I think you're forgetting the fairly significant difference on the scoreboard when Eoghan O'Gara was sent off!

hisholinessnb

keane2097 wrote: »

What's your opinion on the impact Johnson would have on Kildare's ability to win Leinster?

I'd argue that a scorer of his quality taking the pressure off John Doyle would have gotten Kildare over the line in last year's Leinster SF, and similarly that if the teams were to meet again this year it would be a very tight game with or without Johnson, who would possibly tip the scales slightly in Kildare's favour.

Any county team getting another high quality forward would be improved no doubt, but I can't see how this can happen.

Regarding the game last year, it was as close as can be. Although I would like to see if it would have been so close had Dublin not unfairly been reduced to 14 men.

I certainly would not be taking Kildare for granted next year, with or without Johnson.

Its all ifs ans pots and pans.

keane2097

Laois_Man wrote: »

I think you're forgetting the fairly significant difference on the scoreboard when Eoghan O'Gara was sent off!

It was a tight game, Dublin were certainly the better team and deserved their win fully dodgy free or no, but Kildare's main problem has been a dearth of scoring forwards in the last few years, particularly last year with Doyle playing at midfield.

Don't forget Kildare have two All Stars coming back into the fold this year that missed the entirety of last season in Peter Kelly and Dermot Earley. Earley's return is particularly auspicious as it will give them the option of releasing John Doyle back into their forward line which makes them a different unit altogether IMO.

I wouldn't rate them as more than the kick of a ball worse than Dublin, with Johnson I think it'd be really close.

hisholinessnb

keane2097 wrote: »

Blackbelt's post subscribed exactly to the attitude that other teams have regressed to well below Dublin's level I suggested was common among Dublin supporters by the way, as did a recent post he made in the Kerry thread in relation to the fairly irrelevant McGrath Cup.

Do you feel Blackbelt's comments are out of left-field compared to most other Dublin supporters?

The previous comment I referred to is quoted for you convenience.

You have posted one Dublin fans opinion on Kerry.
I was arguing against the point that you made saying Dublin fans (indicating a general perception as opposed to one persons view) think the team have "accelerated away out of sight from every teams they can easily be seen to have been lucky to beat last year".

This is simply not true. There may be a handful with this opinion, as there would in any country who just won the All Ireland, but that's it.

keane2097

hisholinessnb wrote: »

Any county team getting another high quality forward would be improved no doubt, but I can't see how this can happen.

Regarding the game last year, it was as close as can be. Although I would like to see if it would have been so close had Dublin not unfairly been reduced to 14 men.

I certainly would not be taking Kildare for granted next year, with or without Johnson.

Its all ifs ans pots and pans.

Meh, I wouldn't be complaining about poor refereeing decisions in that game if I were a Dublin fan tbh.

keane2097

hisholinessnb wrote: »

You have posted one Dublin fans opinion on Kerry.
I was arguing against the point that you made saying Dublin fans (indicating a general perception as opposed to one persons view) think the team have "accelerated away out of sight from every teams they can easily be seen to have been lucky to beat last year".

This is simply not true. There may be a handful with this opinion, as there would in any country who just won the All Ireland, but that's it.

I would suspect Blackbelt's views are a fair reflection of a great many others'.

You can take it as a given that nobody ever means every single individual with any statement, usually that doesn't need to be explained to non-pedants.

hisholinessnb

keane2097 wrote: »

Meh, I wouldn't be complaining about poor refereeing decisions in that game if I were a Dublin fan tbh.

This decision dramatically changed the game, as soon as it happened Kildare began to control the game.

hisholinessnb

keane2097 wrote: »

I would suspect Blackbelt's views are a fair reflection of a great many others'.

Suspect all you want, or on the other hand try talking to Dublin fans on this topic and get this ACTUAL opinion rather than the opinion you would like to believe is true.
As a Dublin fan who has spoken to a great many other Dublin fans, I can assure you we do not think like you would like us to

premierstone

hisholinessnb wrote: »

Any county team getting another high quality forward would be improved no doubt, but I can't see how this can happen.

Regarding the game last year, it was as close as can be. Although I would like to see if it would have been so close had Dublin not unfairly been reduced to 14 men.

I certainly would not be taking Kildare for granted next year, with or without Johnson.

Its all ifs ans pots and pans.

Off course it can happen, same way as the Dublin hurlers have bolstered their panel with players from Limerick, Galway and Tipp.

Dublin were reduced to 14 men yes, cos O'Gara ran around trying to hide the fact he cant play football by acting like a bull in a china shop and then the referee proceeded to give free after free to Dublin for absolutely nothing, the one in injury time really taking the biscuit.

keane2097

hisholinessnb wrote: »

This decision dramatically changed the game, as soon as it happened Kildare began to control the game.

Yeah the game flow did change as soon as the red card happened, but Kildare had been finishing strongly in all their games, you could easily argue that the O'Gara red just saw them gain the ascendancy a slightly earlier than they otherwise would have.

premierstone

hisholinessnb wrote: »

This is simply not true. There may be a handful with this opinion, as there would in any country who just won the All Ireland, but that's it.

I actually heard Argentina have a new full forward and he's the dogs boll*cks

hisholinessnb

Christ, lets just agree to disagree on this one boys

blackbelt

keane2097 wrote: »

They were a kick of a ball away from winning a Leinster last year and he's a serious footballer.

Dublin fans seem to think they've accelerated away out of sight from every teams they can easily be seen to have been lucky to beat last year, but there's not much at all between them and Kildare.

No they weren't a kick of a ball away.Who is to say that if Kildare had beaten Dublin that they would have got past Wexford? Johnston is a good player but I don't think he is that good to the degree in which he would be a catalyst for Kildare winning a Leinster.

I'm not saying Dublin have ascended past every team out of sight but the smart money is on Dublin retaining Leinster at the very least.Our defense is better and our forwards are certainly better (minus O Gara granted). His sending off gave Kildare an extra man to be more attacked minded and they still couldn't win.

As for the Wexford game, an All Ireland winning team may have a bad performance to give them the kick up the arse they need to perform better and beat big teams. Dublin got the rub of the green but I certainly think we are well ahead of Wexford with Kildare very close to Dublin but the fact remains that Kildare have failed to beat a 14 man Dublin team on 2 occasions within the last 3 years.

keane2097

What would you expect the handicap on a Dublin Kildare game to be if they were going out to play a Championship match in the morning? If you want to give me Kildare with a four point start I'll happily empty the clip if they meet at any stage of the Championship without extraordinary team news.

That's if you think there's more than the kick of a ball between Kildare and Dublin.

In the likely event that you're sensible, and don't think there's more than the kick of a ball between them, I'm simply saying Sean Johnson is a pretty good man to kick a ball, and replacing your worst forward with what would be close to (if not comfortably) their best forward (assuming Doyle stays at midfield) would be a hell of a bump to the level their forwards are at.

This is before mentioning the two All Stars they're also adding to their ranks for the coming season.

So yeah, IMO Dublin are probably ~1 - 1.5 points better than Kildare at the moment, I figure Johnson would reel that in.

If you beat Dublin, you must be odds on to win Leinster, so there it is.

qwerty93

Being a Kildare man I would like to think we are as good as Dublin, but even at full strength Dublin will have the psychological edge winning tight games regularly last year while Kildare always manage to fall at the last hurdle i.e Donegal, Dublin X2, Down and Tyrone the previous year. All the same things are looking brighter for next season with peter kelly in to reinforce a now excellent backline, mickey conway at wing back or even wing foward will have a huge impact, while the collosus that is Dermot Early will have a huge role to play even if its only as an impact sub. Daryll Flynn has matured magnificently I believe hes one of the top 5 midfielders in the country while Eamon Callaghan will be able to fill John Doyles boots to a large extent when he retires... Cill Dara Abu!:D

klairondavis

Complete non-story. Who fuels these stories and more fool people who fall for them during this silly season.

Kildare have good young forward talent coming through in the likes of Fogarty, Hurley, Dowling, Mulhall and Eaton. Far better off giving one or two of these lads a run during the league than moving heaven and earth trying to get a mercenary in who could be off again within 12 months. The likes of Fogarty and Dowling should be key forwards for Kildare for the next decade.

Kildare should have a more potent forward line in 2013 with Doyle moved back up the field and hopefully a fully fit Conway on the forty.

keane2097

Big negative for Kildare is Mick Foley being away till March. He was imperious all year and you could see McGeeney not picking him out of principle when he gets home.

klairondavis

Mick is back in January no?

The break will do him the power of good. He has put his body through a lot to line out all season for both club and county. His career has been blighted by injuries.I'd say that if Athy beat Garrycastle then they'll fly him home for the Leinster Final like Ballymore did with Kavanagh in the intermediate last year.

Mick being away will at least ensure that Peter Kelly will get plenty of football which should make his reintroduction into the team a bit easier.

keane2097

No he's not back till March besides possibly for that club game.

McGeeny has already told him he'll struggle to get back in if you google for quotes.

klairondavis

Ah he'll get back in alright. McGeeney is no fool but no harm in keeping lads on their toes. He brought Eoghan O'Flaherty onto the panel for the championship two years ago when he'd previously ruled himself out due to college commitments.

DB10

I'd be startled if Johnston turned his back on his county this easily. Mind you, he has had his fair share of criticism this year.

Lemlin

blackbelt wrote: »

No they weren't a kick of a ball away.Who is to say that if Kildare had beaten Dublin that they would have got past Wexford? Johnston is a good player but I don't think he is that good to the degree in which he would be a catalyst for Kildare winning a Leinster.

I'm not saying Dublin have ascended past every team out of sight but the smart money is on Dublin retaining Leinster at the very least.Our defense is better and our forwards are certainly better (minus O Gara granted). His sending off gave Kildare an extra man to be more attacked minded and they still couldn't win.

As for the Wexford game, an All Ireland winning team may have a bad performance to give them the kick up the arse they need to perform better and beat big teams. Dublin got the rub of the green but I certainly think we are well ahead of Wexford with Kildare very close to Dublin but the fact remains that Kildare have failed to beat a 14 man Dublin team on 2 occasions within the last 3 years.

Do you think Johnston would get a game for Dublin? I think he would. Ask Wicklow people about him from the game a couple of years ago, he's a game changing player.

celt262

Lemlin wrote: »

Do you think Johnston would get a game for Dublin? I think he would. Ask Wicklow people about him from the game a couple of years ago, he's a game changing player.

He is also an in the mood player, as in somedays he doesnt fancy it and on them days offers nothing.

He came on as a sub in that wicklow game and the reason he didnt start was he couldnt be bothered training for the two weeks previous. If he wont put in the effort with his own county will he do it else where?

Gophur

Seanie J is not eligible to play for Kildare. He is not living in Kildare and is not employed in Kildare.

Should he engineer, or take advantage of, a move (employment or living arrangements) to facilitate a transfer, he should not be accommodated. Allowing such a move is one short step from professionalism.

blackbelt

Lemlin wrote: »

Do you think Johnston would get a game for Dublin? I think he would. Ask Wicklow people about him from the game a couple of years ago, he's a game changing player.

Seanie Johnston could get on the Dublin panel if he applied himself.It seems that there is a serious lack of motivation for the Cavan team and if a player won't show up to train or commit himself,there is no point in even being involved in any intercounty setup.Take Ciaran MacDonald for example.

I could see Johnston being tried out for O Byrne Cup games and initial stages of the league but I couldn't see him being involved come championship for Dublin.

There are players better than Johnston playing in Dublin who are not on the team.Players like Ted Furman and Derek Byrne for Ballymun Kickhams and Paddy Andrews for Brigids.Mark Vaughan is a good player much like Johnston but these guys have either not made the panel or were released.

howiya

keane2097 wrote: »

Big negative for Kildare is Mick Foley being away till March. He was imperious all year and you could see McGeeney not picking him out of principle when he gets home.

On his way back according to RTE radio earlier

keane2097

howiya wrote: »

On his way back according to RTE radio earlier

Yeah I read that he's changed his plans entirely now.

DARK-KNIGHT

WHY IS EVERY SINGLE THREAD HERE HIJACKED BY DUBLIN DISCUSSION???

feckin drives me mad....

he is a good player yes, will kildare magic a job etc?? maybe!!

are kildare a huge distance from dublin?? no short journey up the n7..

and no they are not a whole lot different football terms either they are two very good sides IMO anyways and kildare dont fear the dubs trust me that....

dcr22B

Lemlin wrote: »

Do you think Johnston would get a game for Dublin? I think he would. Ask Wicklow people about him from the game a couple of years ago, he's a game changing player.

With all due respects Lemlin, Wicklow are hardly a footballing colossus.

I think Johnston is a good footballer but he's nowhere near the level of the likes of Declan Browne i.e. a top class IC player saddled with a county that will never enhance his potential to the level that he himself is at.

The only time I've seen Johnston playing live was when we played in Breffni in the league back in 2008. He was decent enough that night but wouldn't have blown me away by any sense of the imagination.

keane2097

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

WHY IS EVERY SINGLE THREAD HERE HIJACKED BY DUBLIN DISCUSSION???

feckin drives me mad....

he is a good player yes, will kildare magic a job etc?? maybe!!

are kildare a huge distance from dublin?? no short journey up the n7..

and no they are not a whole lot different football terms either they are two very good sides IMO anyways and kildare dont fear the dubs trust me that....

Well a thread about Kildare bringing in a potential reinforcement is pretty likely to be framed in terms of the silverware it could potentially bring in and the teams they will have to overcome I'd have thought.

DARK-KNIGHT

keane2097 wrote: »

Well a thread about Kildare bringing in a potential reinforcement is pretty likely to be framed in terms of the silverware it could potentially bring in and the teams they will have to overcome I'd have thought.

No a discussion would be ok it's flaming again and there's no need for it IMO

I personally don't think Kildare need him, he is a good footballer fair enough and would be a nice addition but talks of bringing him in are silly really I can't see it happening..

Kildares forwards fair enough miss a few scores but their work rate to geT into positions for shooting attacking is immense...

Earley coming back WILL be a massive boost, Doyle back into the forwards makes Kildare a formidable force.

The lily whites will rise again, maybe this year they will get the rub of the green.

I personally think the lads are first class footballers and they can go all the way why can't they???? No point in going into discussions of league and championship as ever I'm excited and looking forward to conleths park and Cromer next year:D

CILL DARA ABU

DARK-KNIGHT

Croker not Cromer lol

Lemlin

blackbelt wrote: »

Seanie Johnston could get on the Dublin panel if he applied himself.It seems that there is a serious lack of motivation for the Cavan team and if a player won't show up to train or commit himself,there is no point in even being involved in any intercounty setup.Take Ciaran MacDonald for example.

I could see Johnston being tried out for O Byrne Cup games and initial stages of the league but I couldn't see him being involved come championship for Dublin.

There are players better than Johnston playing in Dublin who are not on the team.Players like Ted Furman and Derek Byrne for Ballymun Kickhams and Paddy Andrews for Brigids.Mark Vaughan is a good player much like Johnston but these guys have either not made the panel or were released.

I'd disagree re better players. On what basis are you assuming this? Gareth Smith was in the Dublin panel and he failed to hold down a regular position for Cavan. He would have been ahead of alot of these lads that you've named in the Dublin pecking order also.

There are also a number of Dublin lads like Smith and others who were hanging around that Dublin panel for years and not gaining a starting position yet management seemed unwilling to drop them so I can only think there's nothing else in reserve. Vaughan is little more than a decent free taker who was hyped up by the media more than anything else.

Re the Cavan setup, I don't blame the lad for losing interest. He's shown up over the years and won games single handedly for Cavan. Then, when he fails to do that in a match, the whole county comes down on top of him. The whole situation in the county needs looking at and hopefully the successful U21 and minor teams will follow through with their determination to senior level.

hisholinessnb

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

WHY IS EVERY SINGLE THREAD HERE HIJACKED BY DUBLIN DISCUSSION???

feckin drives me mad....

In fairness there was no comments from Dublin fans on this thread until a NON Dub threw in the below,,,,

"Dublin fans seem to think they've accelerated away out of sight from every teams they can easily be seen to have been lucky to beat last year"

Given how inaccurate a statement this is about us, I think its only fair that we be entitled to call that statement exactly what it is, nonsense.

So to answer your question, the reason so many threads are "hijacked by Dublin discussion" is because of a group of NON Dubs who just can't resist talking about us


On the topic of Seanie Johnson, I think even without him making a soccer style transfer, Kildare will be serious contenders for both Leinster and the All Ireland this year.
This team WILL eventually win something, they are too good not to.
Whether its next year or not remains to be seen, but it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest.

keane2097

This goon actually just lurks around the GAA forum looking for opportunities to troll me.

I hope you're a teenager dude, I really do.

hisholinessnb

keane2097 wrote: »

This goon actually just lurks around the GAA forum looking for opportunities to troll me.

I hope you're a teenager dude, I really do.

Firstly, lets cut out the insults. Nobody is looking more like a teenager than you after that post.

Secondly, if I were "trolling you" I would at least have mentioned on my last post that it was yourself who made the comment, instead I just said it was a "non dub".

The suggestion that I lurk around the forum looking for opportunities to troll you is simply untrue. I have made several posts on this forum on many different topics. The majority of which have zero do do with yourself. *you can look at my previous posts easily enough for proof of this.
I have on occasion challenged things you have said, this is true, but when you make negative comments about Dublin fans, players etc etc, don't go getting all precious when a Dublin fan argues back :rolleyes:

Thirdly, you clearly have no idea what trolling is.
This is a discussion board, you made a comment about how Dublin fans think, I, as a Dublin fan, replied to argue that your opinion was not accurate.

If you cannot accept people disagreeing with your opinion on a internet forum without crying "troll" then maybe you would be better off thinking before posting.

Hammer Archer

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

maybe this year they will get the rub of the green.

:pac: cos ye didn't get any at all last year did ye?
I can't see this transfer going through in a month of Sundays to be honest. If it does, it'll set a dagerous precedent. As Gophur said, it'll be pretty much professionalism. I'm not against county boards giving their own players jobs so they don't have to emigrate, but giving another county's player a job to get him on your team would be just ridiculous.
Future "Declan Browne" type players who would walk on to any county team in Ireland despite playing for a so called weaker county could "offer his services" to stronger counties in order to play for a team with a better chance of winning silverware.

DARK-KNIGHT

Hammer Archer wrote: »

:pac: cos ye didn't get any at all last year did ye?
I can't see this transfer going through in a month of Sundays to be honest. If it does, it'll set a dagerous precedent. As Gophur said, it'll be pretty much professionalism. I'm not against county boards giving their own players jobs so they don't have to emigrate, but giving another county's player a job to get him on your team would be just ridiculous.
Future "Declan Browne" type players who would walk on to any county team in Ireland despite playing for a so called weaker county could "offer his services" to stronger counties in order to play for a team with a better chance of winning silverware.

We got the rub of green from Meath as we ran by you beating you twice last summer :pac:

Hammer Archer

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

We got the rub of green from Meath as we ran by you beating you twice last summer :pac:

Yup and both times it was deserved. I just think it's funny that a lot of Kildare people (you're definitely not the only one) always say they never get the rub of the green in games.

DARK-KNIGHT

Hammer Archer wrote: »

Yup and both times it was deserved. I just think it's funny that a lot of Kildare people (you're definitely not the only one) always say they never get the rub of the green in games.

I never said we never get a bit of luck don't tarnish most Kildare supporters with same brush as the fair-weather followers that bitch and moan!!

I think Kildare are improving year in year out it's just a matter of when they win something not will they with luck etc!!

Under 21 team for Kildare are well should be very very strong too!! Things are on the way up for the lillies