The End of JoePa in Penn State

UCD AFC

I saw on twitter it is meant to be coming down this weekend.

JaMarcus Hustle

UCD AFC wrote: »

I saw on twitter it is meant to be coming down this weekend.

It was removed this morning. The only decision they could make tbh.

Tomorrow is D-Day. The sanctions against Penn State are being announced tomorrow - from the sounds of things, they've avoided the death penalty but it sounds like the punishment is unprecedented - the most severe sanctions any program have got apart from the death penalty.

frostie500

JaMarcus Hustle wrote: »

Tomorrow is D-Day. The sanctions against Penn State are being announced tomorrow - from the sounds of things, they've avoided the death penalty but it sounds like the punishment is unprecedented - the most severe sanctions any program have got apart from the death penalty.

I dont know what the NCAA think they will gain from punishing Penn State. Everyone involved with the scandal has left the school by one means or another. The courts have determined punishment and to now look to sanction the school is only punishing innocent players, coaches, students and fans.

Chucky the tree

frostie500 wrote: »

I dont know what the NCAA think they will gain from punishing Penn State. Everyone involved with the scandal has left the school by one means or another. The courts have determined punishment and to now look to sanction the school is only punishing innocent players, coaches, students and fans.

It sends a clear message to other schools though. I think using the excuse everyone has left is a cop out. There must be people higher up who were around went all this went on, President of the college etc. Or would it be come for a big scandal to completely gut all top position at a university?

matthew8

Chucky the tree wrote: »

It sends a clear message to other schools though. I think using the excuse everyone has left is a cop out. There must be people higher up who were around went all this went on, President of the college etc. Or would it be come for a big scandal to completely gut all top position at a university?

I think the courts already sent a clear message.

themont85

matthew8 wrote: »

Chucky the tree wrote: »

It sends a clear message to other schools though. I think using the excuse everyone has left is a cop out. There must be people higher up who were around went all this went on, President of the college etc. Or would it be come for a big scandal to completely gut all top position at a university?

I think the courts already sent a clear message.

I disagree. As Skip Bayless said (can't believe I'm quoting him) they practically have a death penalty now with the damage done. Who on earth would go there now? Not just reputation wise but also football wise, the Programme is screwed for at least 10 years.

Now in saying that though, the NCAA should still punish them. Individuals high up and those who were Penn State football decided to protect reputations rather than the rule of law. A message needs to be sent that Institutions need to be run in account with the law of the land and not protect 'the reputation' of individuals and a Football Programme.

JaMarcus Hustle

I fail to see how crippling the Penn State football program is the right decision here. BYU, USC, NC etc. were punished because their actions gave their program an unfair advantage over others. This is entirely different. I dont think a message needs to be sent, I'm pretty sure other universities already know not to harbor a child molester. I suppose this was all done to protect the reputation of the football program but it's sad that promising coaches and young players' careers will be destroyed because of the actions of others. You'd think there would be sanctions beyond bowl bans and scholarship stripping for such a crime. From the sounds of things, the announcement today is going to effectively be worse than the death penalty.

JaMarcus Hustle

This is doing the rounds on twitter and forums this morning. If true, Penn State is dead for the next 10 years.

Penn St sanctions - from CBS news leak

1) SUSPENSION OF FOOTBALL OPERATIONS FOR ONE YEAR

2) NO TELEVISION TIL 2015

3) BOWL BAN TIL 2015

4) NO FOOTBALL SCHOLARSHIPS FOR 2013

5) ALL CURRENT PLAYERS ON ROSTER ALLOWED TO TRANSFER WITH NO PENALTY

6) NCAA CLEARINGHOUSE TO EXPEDITE AND ADMINISTER ALL TRANSFERS

7) SPECIAL NCAA DISPENSATION THAT PENN ST FOOTBALL PLAYERS WHO TRANSFER, WILL NOT COUNT AGAINST SCHOLARSHIP LIMIT FOR GAINING SCHOOL

8) LOSS OF 8 SCHOLARSHIPS PER YEAR BEGINNING IN 2014 AND CONTINUING FOR 5 YEARS TO 2020.

9) BEGINNING IN 2014, OPTION TO DROP DOWN TO DIV 1AA WITH NO PENALTY, AND THE RIGHT TO RETURN TO DIV 1A AFTER 2020.

10) WINS AND RECORDS BACK TO 1998 WILL BE VACATED

11) TICKET REVENUE OFFSET PAYOUT TO BE GIVEN TO SCHEDULED OPPONENTS

Brett McMurphy ‏@McMurphyCBS
Penn State will be fined b/w $30 million to $60 million, sources told@CBSSports http://cbsprt.co/O8tNRq

themont85

Jesus now that is harsh.

"Suspension of football operations for one year", what does that mean?

JaMarcus Hustle

That's if it's true, it's being announced in 15 mins.

Suspension of FO is what it says on the tin - no football next year. No training, no nothing. Padlocks on the stadium and facilities.

JJ

themont85 wrote: »

Jesus now that is harsh.

"Suspension of football operations for one year", what does that mean?

I presume that would mean, no games, no practices, no nothing football related for one year. If the rumours are true, I'd say most of us will be OAPs before Penn State returns back to anything resembling their former glory.

adrian522

ESPN reporting no Death Penalty:

"NCAA president Mark Emmert has decided to punish Penn State with severe penalties likely to include a significant loss of scholarships, multiple bowls financial penalties, sources close to the decision have told ESPN's Joe Schad.

But Penn State will not receive the so-called "death penalty" that would have suspended the program for at least one year, a source said Sunday."

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8188629/penn-state-nittany-lions-not-facing-death-penalty-monday-ncaa-source-says

JaMarcus Hustle

$60 million fine
4 year postseason ban
20 Scholarships revoked per year for 4 years
All wins vacated from 1998-2011
Players free to transfer with no eligibility concerns

Holy Shít.

themont85

60 mill fine is such a killer. Their football programme is crocked.

frostie500

JaMarcus Hustle wrote: »

$60 million fine
4 year postseason ban
20 Scholarships revoked per year for 4 years
All wins vacated from 1998-2011
Players free to transfer with no eligibility concerns

Holy Shít.

Jesus that's some penalty. I was at an SMU game last year and they still talk of the death penalty destroying the program and it's pretty sure that this will have pretty much the same effect on Penn State. There is no chance of them being competitive for at least ten years in my view.

Fr Tod Umptious

JaMarcus Hustle wrote: »

I fail to see how crippling the Penn State football program is the right decision here. BYU, USC, NC etc. were punished because their actions gave their program an unfair advantage over others. This is entirely different. I dont think a message needs to be sent, I'm pretty sure other universities already know not to harbor a child molester. I suppose this was all done to protect the reputation of the football program but it's sad that promising coaches and young players' careers will be destroyed because of the actions of others. You'd think there would be sanctions beyond bowl bans and scholarship stripping for such a crime. From the sounds of things, the announcement today is going to effectively be worse than the death penalty.

But do they ?

Penn State obviously did not, and it's not as if we are talking about something that happened in the distant past when attitudes to such crimes may have been different.

Chardee MacDennis

themont85 wrote: »

60 mill fine is such a killer. Their football programme is crocked.

one year gross income from their football program. that's gonna hurt...

they're gonna pay it over 5 years, seems they can afford to do that.

JJ

Reading some comments about this, some say the NCAA have gone too far, some say not far enough and others say they got it just about right. So basically, every possible opinion is covered.

Rented Mule

Dodge wrote: »

Typical head in the stand stuff form the NCAA too. Will ban a kid for selling his jersey or swapping it for a tattoo

But cover up a paedophile and a) say nothing and b) allow him to do what he wants

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8191027/penn-state-hit-60-million-fine-4-year-bowl-ban-wins-dating-1998

The NCAA has hit Penn State with a $60 million sanction, a four-year football postseason ban and a vacation of all wins dating to 1998, the organization announced Monday morning in a news release.

"These funds must be paid into an endowment for external programs preventing child sexual abuse or assisting victims and may not be used to fund such programs at the university," the statement said.

The career record of former head football coach Joe Paterno will reflect these vacated records, the statement continued.

Penn State must also reduce 10 initial and 20 total scholarships each year for a four-year period, the release said.

I think you might want to re-phrase your original comments.

To be honest, I still think that Penn State is getting off easy. I do feel for the kids who will be playing for the University over the course of their NCAA careers, because they will pay for the sins of the University. I can't imagine what sort of reaction they will get on the road over the next several seasons.

The 'Death Penalty' would probably have been humane in the long run.

Rented Mule

themont85 wrote: »

60 mill fine is such a killer. Their football programme is crocked.

Penn State is one of the highest grossing teams in the NCAA. Last season they raked in $53 million. They also had the 2nd highest fund raising totals in their history in the past six months.

http://www.collegian.psu.edu/archive/2012/07/10/alumni_fundraising_second_highest_in_history.aspx

The Penn State Division of Development and Alumni Relations released its fundraising numbers for the previous fiscal year on Monday, revealing that more than $208 million was donated by “alumni and friends” of Penn State.

Chardee MacDennis

“@SigmundBloom: crux of the case RT @John_Infante
NCAA’s consent decree goes further than cover-up, says PSU football also helped Sandusky attract victims.”

Stev_o

Rented Mule wrote: »

Penn State is one of the highest grossing teams in the NCAA. Last season they raked in $53 million. They also had the 2nd highest fund raising totals in their history in the past six months.

http://www.collegian.psu.edu/archive/2012/07/10/alumni_fundraising_second_highest_in_history.aspx

The Penn State Division of Development and Alumni Relations released its fundraising numbers for the previous fiscal year on Monday, revealing that more than $208 million was donated by “alumni and friends” of Penn State.

Good luck making close to that money with no post season for the next 4 years added to what will be an awful team.

This has to rank as the biggest punishment ever handed down to a sporting organization in the world surely?

JaMarcus Hustle

Stev_o wrote: »

Good luck making close to that money with no post season for the next 4 years added to what will be an awful team.

This has to rank as the biggest punishment ever handed down to a sporting organization in the world surely?

Bowl Money actually goes to the conferences, who then distribute it among their teams so unless the Big Ten impose their own sanction of withholding the money from Penn State, nothing will change there.

TaosHum

How long will it take Penn St to recover from this, 20 years?

Son Of A Vidic

themont85 wrote: »

Jesus now that is harsh.

No it's not, I think they got it spot on. Winning at all costs must not be tolerated. Paterno turned a blind eye and finally fell on his own sword. Thankfully they took down his statue on Sunday, which was long overdue imo. This really sends out a powerful message and rightly so.

JaMarcus Hustle

How about this for coincidence.

The vacated wins from 1998 to 2011 means the last Penn State quarterback to have officially won a game for PSU is....

...Mike McQueary.

Rented Mule

TaosHum wrote: »

How long will it take Penn St to recover from this, 20 years?

Does it matter if the football program ever recovers ?

The people who blindly followed the 'Church of Pa'still can't see that he (and the University) have failed miserably in protecting those children at the sake of the reputation of the football program.

There is an incredibly vile cliche that will rear it's ugly head in the very near future. It will be how 'the healing will begin' once the Penn State football begins 'winning'. Trust me when I say that you will hear this statement uttered. The healing will begin when these people realize that their 'Saturday entertainment' was put before the safety and well being of children.

I don't think these people will ever 'recover'.

davyjose

It might not be a Death penalty, its a big school and if you look at USC it seems their penalty has been water off a ducks back. But the real victims here, as usual, are the student athletes. This issue has been up in the air for about 9 months and to wait until late july to tell these kids their sporting futures are crocked is disgraceful IMO. Everyone, particularly the media are acting like the victims of this, with faux outrage. But the actual victims are now some of the guys who have been directly affected by all this. Now they are being punished again.

Chardee MacDennis

davyjose wrote: »

It might not be a Death penalty, its a big school and if you look at USC it seems their penalty has been water off a ducks back. But the real victims here, as usual, are the student athletes. This issue has been up in the air for about 9 months and to wait until late july to tell these kids their sporting futures are crocked is disgraceful IMO. Everyone, particularly the media are acting like the victims of this, with faux outrage. But the actual victims are now some of the guys who have been directly affected by all this. Now they are being punished again.

they can move to another school with no restrictions. In fairness the NCAA have done their best to look out for the athletes in this situation imo.

Rented Mule

davyjose wrote: »

It might not be a Death penalty, its a big school and if you look at USC it seems their penalty has been water off a ducks back. But the real victims here, as usual, are the student athletes. This issue has been up in the air for about 9 months and to wait until late july to tell these kids their sporting futures are crocked is disgraceful IMO. Everyone, particularly the media are acting like the victims of this, with faux outrage. But the actual victims are now some of the guys who have been directly affected by all this. Now they are being punished again.

WOW. The football players are 'the real victims' ? Really poor choice of words.

The football players are all free to transfer without having to sit out a year. If the only reason that they are at Penn State is to play football then it doesn't matter which University they attend.