The End of JoePa in Penn State

PeakOutput

eagle eye wrote: »

He did report it to his superiors.

but not the police? you know the people who are paid to investigate crime.

I think its quite clear whose fault it is when its proven that he actually did it but not while he is still an innocent person by law and I'm thinking in real time here not in hindsight.

Nobody allowed him to be found guilty or not guilty because nobody (but a mother in 1998) reported him to the police.

You still fail to understand though that there are victims on both sides of this. It comes across that you are only concerned about one victim here and don't see the full picture. This is an extremely difficult situation to be in if you are friends with a family where somebody has been accused of something like this.

trust me, I understand that this is a difficult situation for everyone concerned however there is no right way to do the wrong thing and each and every one of the people who had heard about these allegations did the wrong thing by not contacting the police

This is one person's word against another. Whose side do you take?

its numerous peoples word against nobodies word because he had admitted some of his crimes already, he might not have admitted to being in the shower at that time or whatever but he had admitted to showering and being inappropriate with boys before. I understand now he is pleading not guilty so if you leave aside the 1998 charge which he admitted and it wasnt pursued in the courts then it is numerous peoples words against his. either way its not up to me or paterno to take sides its up to the law to and it wasnt given that chance

He did report it to his superiors from what I've read.

Ye he did the legal minimum required by him under state law, maybe not under federal law though as it seems now. however he did not report it to the police so that they could do their jobs.

bruschi

eagle eye wrote: »

He did report it to his superiors.




I think its quite clear whose fault it is when its proven that he actually did it but not while he is still an innocent person by law and I'm thinking in real time here not in hindsight. You still fail to understand though that there are victims on both sides of this. It comes across that you are only concerned about one victim here and don't see the full picture. This is an extremely difficult situation to be in if you are friends with a family where somebody has been accused of something like this.


This is one person's word against another. Whose side do you take?



Most people would just stay away from that person and not want anything to do with them.

He did report it to his superiors from what I've read.
You are really just banging the same drum here with the rest of your post so I'll leave it at that.

I'm not actually sure if you are just arguing for the sake of arguing, but you are really coming across as saying Joe Paterno did nothing wrong, and that there should be nothing done to Sandusky until he is proven guilty.

maybe you dont think that way, but your points show comletely different.

Joe Paterno was the main man in Penn State. someone reported a serious sexual assault on someone. He reported it to superiors, and that was it. He himself has said he 'should have done more'. surely with an accusation as serious as that, on a man who already had serious accusations from previous, you would follow up on it and make sure a full investigation happened, not just leaving it lie.

I do feel sorry for Paterno. But I feel more sorry for the kids who were abused after he was told of his co worker abusing a kid, and he had a chance to stop that happening.

Dohnny Jepp

bruschi wrote: »

I do feel sorry for Paterno. .

why?

bruschi

Dohnny Jepp wrote: »

why?

it was a horrible situation to be in, knowing you staff had done something like this. and then not acting on it fully, having that guilt on him knowing that he could have done something. and the fact such a celebrated career and personality not going off in the manner it deserved, rather in a cloud of humiliation and controversy.

but as I also said, I feel far more sorry for the victims in this. Paterno could have done something, so that pity I feel for him in part, is also tinged with the fact he could have done something to prevent it, and ultimatley the fact he is leaving in such a manner was in part brought on by himself.

Oat23

Bob Costas was interviewing Sandusky's lawyer on his show ''Rock Center'' last night and they ended up getting him on the phone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQr4x7yzNxg

The long pause when he's asked is he is sexually attracted to underage boys :eek:

The interview was just really weird.

Dodge

Costas was brilliant. Basically allowed Sandursky to hang himself.

eagle eye

Dodge wrote: »

Costas was brilliant. Basically allowed Sandursky to hang himself.

Eh what? I listened to that and it was very clear that Sandusky was taking legal instruction while on the phone. He didn't say anything he shouldn't have said there.

Dodge

YOu think he came off well in that interview? Wow...

eagle eye

Dodge wrote: »

YOu think he came off well in that interview? Wow...

No I never said he came off well, I said he didn't say anything wrong. He didn't 'hang himself' as you put it.

SantryRed

eagle eye wrote: »

No I never said he came off well, I said he didn't say anything wrong. He didn't 'hang himself' as you put it.

I'd define telling the public he showered with young boys as hanging himself tbh.

me-skywalker

Have just finished reading every post in this thread and most links to external sources.

I'll give my 2cents for what its worth(nothing along with everyone else here). Im bit more objective since I've never heard of him before(shock shock) and I've no affiliation or admiration for any party involved.

Why didn't the very very first witness and his father not go directly to the police initially. They are cowards for not doing this. Imagine the scene, Joe sitting at home and getting the knock on the door and the 3 sitting down in the living room infront of the open fireplace; right there and then, that exact moment he was in no-win situation.

His process map:
1. what he advised the graduate to do(which he should have told him to go to the police) do we know what he told him to do?
2. he reported it to his superior(which was correct, not following up rigourously was wrong, also the father of the graduate and himself should have followed this up)

After these 2 steps had been followed the next step is the logical one:

3. not going to the police directly(Joe has the word of the graduate who didnt deem it himself to go to the police himself, thsi coudl have caused doubt in his mind, also puts him in the situation of being the ereson who makes a potentially slanderous/libel claim against someone)

Anyway its all if's, but's and maybe's but his thought process at that moment of being informed must have been like a great tree with branches to every potential outcome/possibiltiy its hard to blame him for not taking the right action for a scumbag's crimes(one thats been a friend for years). But it is easy to blame him for not MAKING SURE!!

Sandusky should be given a gelding right before they put the needle into his arm!

jack presley

eagle eye wrote: »

He didn't say anything he shouldn't have said there.

Really? He was asked was he sexually attracted to little boys. He started humming and hawing and talked about 'playing around' and 'horseplay'. That's not what he should have said for starters. A more definite NO, no way, not a chance etc. would have been what I would have been advising him to say.

eagle eye

jack presley wrote: »

Really? He was asked was he sexually attracted to little boys. He started humming and hawing and talked about 'playing around' and 'horseplay'. That's not what he should have said for starters. A more definite NO, no way, not a chance etc. would have been what I would have been advising him to say.

It was clear he was taking advice there while on the phone. He would have a list of things to not say in front of him, clearly the way that question was posed made whoever was with him tell him to hold on and thats why he was taking so long to answer. I fully believe that he will be found guilty and rightly so. What I'd call 'hanging himself' would be admitting to some crime on the show and he didn't do that.

Lirange

Well you can't really hang someone who is already hung.

eire4

Firstly I have to say at times while following this story I have been quite angry at the way at various times the young children who suffered horrific acts being forced on them have been marginalised or even forgotten.

This story for me brings up a very sad and arguably sick side of society here in the US. That basically winning games is more important then doing what is right. The bottom line here is Penn State was more concerned about it's American Football programme then the lives and health of children. If there is any good that can come of this sick and disgusting story is that it is so bad that hopefully it will stop something smiliar from happening again.
I see today also the Big Ten removed Paterno's name from it's trophy which is correct in my opinion.

Hazys

Oatesy23 wrote: »

Bob Costas was interviewing Sandusky's lawyer on his show ''Rock Center'' last night and they ended up getting him on the phone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQr4x7yzNxg

The long pause when he's asked is he is sexually attracted to underage boys :eek:

The interview was just really weird.

I hadn't really followed this story but I feel very uneasy after watching that interview. I hope they lock him up and throw away the key.

ElleEm

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-400_162-57363500/ex-penn-state-coach-joe-paterno-dead-at-85/

Stev_o

Awful way to go out, no doubt the whole scandal accelerated his passing. Being remembered in your last months alive being involved in that scandal is pretty horrible.

bruschi

Stev_o wrote: »

Awful way to go out, no doubt the whole scandal accelerated his passing. Being remembered in your last months alive being involved in that scandal is pretty horrible.

yup. an awful way for him to go. from being an absolute living legend, to absolute rock bottom and pretty much being disgraced. As much as I believed he should have done more, its still sad to see it happen to him and he was put in a horrible position by people who he considered friends.

SantryRed

Jesus. This time 2 months ago he was still HC.

RGIII

The shock of not coaching anymore and the scandal probably took its toll on his body along with the cancer. RIP

JaMarcus Hustle

The verdict in the Sandusky trial is due in the next 15 mins. He's going to get a very heavy sentence you feel.

Edit: False alarm. CNN got their child sex abuse stories mixed up. Charming world, isn't it?

kryogen

Adam Schefter‏@AdamSchefter

Jerry Sandusky guilty on 45 of 47 counts in child sexual abuse case. He will be sentenced in about 90 days and spend rest of life in jail.

kryogen

Adam Schefter‏@AdamSchefter

Make that guilty on 45 of 48 counts. Jerry Sandusky will spend the rest of his life behind bars.

Piers Morgan‏@piersmorgan

Dramatic CNN coverage of #Sandusky leaving court in handcuffs - likely to spend the rest of his life in a prison cell.

Gandhi

The report from Penn State came out and showed Joe Pa was up to his eyeballs in the cover-up, contrary to claims by his family that he was kept in the dark by what was going on. Nike have already removed his name from a childcare centre in Oregon, and there are calls for his statue to be taken down at Penn State.

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20120713_Freeh_report_attacks_Joe_Paterno_s_judgment_and_integrity.html

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/20120713_Phil_Sheridan__Paterno__not_Sandusky__brought_down_Paterno_s_legacy.html

Paterno knew as far back as 1998 that Sandusky was being investigated for possible child abuse. He never took actions to stop his longtime assistant coach, never reported him outside the Penn State bubble. Worst of all, there is evidence Paterno persuaded other university officials not to report Sandusky in 2001.

JaMarcus Hustle

Can't see that statue of old Joe being there for too much longer. They'll surely have it removed.

Itssoeasy

JaMarcus Hustle wrote: »

Can't see that statue of old Joe being there for too much longer. They'll surely have it removed.

Either penn state remove it or someone else will remove it. It will be a focal point for anger IMO.

Syferus

I think you're severely under-valuing how rabidly loyal the students remain to Paterno. Taking down the statue would probably cause more trouble than if they leave it up.

JaMarcus Hustle

Syferus wrote: »

I think you're severely under-valuing how rabidly loyal the students remain to Paterno. Taking down the statue would probably cause more trouble than if they leave it up.

Students are idiots. Fact is, the university now has a statue of a man standing who went out of his way to cover up the fact that his buddy was raping children on campus. There is no argument in the world that could justify leaving it standing.

CoachTO

JaMarcus Hustle wrote: »

Students are idiots. Fact is, the university now has a statue of a man standing who went out of his way to cover up the fact that his buddy was raping children on campus. There is no argument in the world that could justify leaving it standing.

Also the campus now has a huge split on those who want it gone and those who dont so the side that dont want it down wont have a choice. The vigils are a prime example of the students commitment to him anyways when more and more dirt came out less students attended the rallies and vigils for JoePa. Talking to 2 friends who are Alumni and now college coaches elsewhere have now changed their stances on the whole thing and want it down and these guys would chop your arm off had you said anything bad against him.