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DotA 2 General Chat Thread
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the joys of hindsight eh
EG fell apart on game 2 and just seemed to go full tilt. they had the game won and made a complete balls of it. This is the same team that knocked out VG in the LB final and did so with a very strong mentality (even beating the VG bounty hunter who secret were first phase banning). Secret seem to be on a bit of a roll going into TI just like all Puppey teams seem to do. Hes so good at getting the best out of players and making a team function. Zai seems to be on another level too atm which is really helping them out.
I would never write off this EG side though, they are very strong across the board and I was actually amazed to see how easily they capitulated to Secret last night. Puppey certainly outdrafted PPD and that was a big shock to me. Like, yeah you can get outdrafted but I didnt think it would be that bad though.0 -
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thing is, same thing happened to Sumail in DAC and it didnt phase him one bit. Zai I think is only 17 and he wasn't phased by getting bullied either. Personally, I think in esports the younger you are, the more mentally stable you are when it comes to in game actions. Older players across the board tilt a lot more as they seem to have more riding on the result. Best example is Starcraft where players really come to prominence in their mid to late teens (Flash, Jaedong, Nada, iLoveOov, Reach, Savior... endless list really) and then in their 20s they start choking a lot more. Flash and Jaedong... maybe not so much but they are the two best ever (imo) to play the game.
But you see guys like EE who have all the talent in the world but in a very weird way, they think too much. they let everything in and they end up cracking under the pressure. EE as a captain, despite being an extremely talented player, will never win a big big event ever again (unless he joins another team and isnt the main guy) as the guy just cant keep it together. Its a very strange world (esports) and in a lot of ways doesnt play by the rules of normal sport. If Loda didnt have Akke calming him down he would never have won TI3 as the guy is a pure rage machine (irc pickups with him back in the day were just not fun if you started losing).. it also helped that S4 drafted.
In short, being young and ignorant can be a blessing
personally, I think it was PPD who was the source of their tilting. Him and Puppey had a very interesting casting on the couch the night before and you could see that these were both strong personable guys. PPD seemed a bit paranoid though, especially when Puppey was asked "what do you think of your game with EG tomorrow?" and Puppey responded by saying "good game" but he meant it in a way of "I hope we both have fun" but PPD started being all "ooohh shots fired" etc. (im not quoting verbatim). He just seemed slightly intimidated and that might have carried over into the game, especially when he knows how good Zai and Arteezy are0 -
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i think esports athletes are just like sporty athletes. they can mess up, make mistakes and need excellent skills/talent in a host of areas bhla bhla bhla. For sure EG players made more mistakes than Secret so pin pointing one player is a bit unfair i suppose. As for EE, as you said talented player, he inspired me to play mirana (poorly, but i accept that now). i dont know him well as a player tbh but my interpretation is he has a difficulty with communication, by that i mean he manages to alienate teammates in teams he has played with.
hes the drafter as well for C9. Hes really quite a clever player and understands a lot about the game. He also rates himself quite highly and is full of confidence but its all razor thin. I remember a few months ago, cant remember which tournament, but he gets to the final against VG. He drafts himself mortred two games in a row and I think on the second he goes mid. Both he gets dominated and you could almost see VG acting like sharks around him and crushing his morale.
He semi-regularly posts a blog and its just incoherent ramblings about things in LANs that upset him like chairs and stuff. He has a bit of a point but you can literally see that everything gets to this chap, he thinks too much and is really quite sensitive. Hes also 23. I think when you are 15 - 18/19 you can very much be at your peak gaming wise, there are countless examples from a whole host of games out there (but of course, there are countless examples of the opposite when players get better as they get older). Fear gets called "old man" - hes 27! It really just depends on the player but with Sumail and Zai and the like you can see that they can just shut off, focus on the game and take the pressure. Wait about 2 years or so and Arteezy will be like EE as he shows a lot of the same signs as him.. by that time he could have won a TI though and stopped giving a ****
If EE was playing under Puppey he would be a lot better off for it imo. He wasn't kicked for no reason from No Tidehunter/Alliance. Id say Akke and Loda could see he would be a handful and Loda has enough self awareness to know you cant have 2 players like that on a team despite his obvious talent. Just take a look at him kicking Aui_2000 from C9, crazy move but both are actually quite insular players and apparently pieliedie was quite salty/flamey on top of that. Talent isn't everything, it takes a lot of discipline to be good at dota and that counts for double in the pro circuit 0 -
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Mousesports with their one american player going to win the US qualifiers.... such bs. They will win alright but thats some sway Alex Garfield and GGA have
agree with your NA and SEA picks
EU - very hard to tell. It won't be NiP though, they have looked pretty shonky the past month. Heart says Na'vi, head says Alliance. Teams like Hellraisers and Burden will decide who wins this imo as most of those teams can take games off anyone.
China - really want HGT to win so I will go with them and EHOME
Except both Burden and HR lost to T3 teams this week too
I like HGT but Air only plays 2 mid heroes in competitive games. They were in their stride when Brew was the taste of the scene, he played an awesome Brew. I don't fancy their chances. Plus Oldboys man. Oldboys! 0 -
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cherryghost wrote: »Welp. Looking like HGT is on fire today! OB look completely rubbish.
what did I tell ya ZSMJ still has it 0 -
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they 1-1'd their 2 hardest games in the group but yeah, cant tell the future. I highly expect them to go through then
I completely forgot about the Majors valve were talking about and apparently they are happening in November, February and May so hopefully that will clear up qualifying.
I really don't want it to turn into the LoL worlds though or LCS as I love things like the summit and IEM and a lot of the other indies, made dota what it was. The LoL worlds is absolutely nonsense, watched it last year and f**k me do they drag it out. Recently uninstalled it again as its such a frustrating game to play and in comparison DotA is a bubblebath. Reckon I have clocked up 2000 or so games of LoL over the years as I have friends who play who are scared of dota they would be good enough too.. but as one friend said to me who moved from LoL to DotA about 18 months ago "on second thoughts, lets not play LoL. It is a silly game" much in the same vane as the end of this:
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