Gays want to take over the rest of Society?

Sinfonia · 31-10-2011 9:06pm

yupyup7up wrote: »

Sorry now but I have to disagree.

Not everybody that doesn't like homosexuality wants them dead or injured or whatever. I simply don't agree with it, but it's nothing to do with me. If I'm introduced to a gay person, I treat them as I would any other person.

I'm not going to say "Oh yeah I'm all for homosexuality", because I'm not for it, but I'm also not going to treat gay people any differently.

Biologically, gay people don't have kids, and I don't think anybody is in a position to mess about with nature. Next we'll be talking about putting wombs into men. It's insane.

I don't have any points to add other than it's not natural, which for me, is an extremely valid argument.

Two men literally creating a child is not natural. It also doesn't happen.
Being gay is natural. Because it happens.

Freddie59 wrote: »

Yep. That's about it. But, unfortunately, here on AH and boards.ie in general, people who believe in God; question gay behaviour; and so on are almost classed as freaks. Shouted down by those that you mention at every opportunity because they refuse to be 'assimilated'!:D

So what you're saying is that you feel like a trod-upon minority when you express opinions on boards? Interesting. Maybe you should tailor your beliefs to suit the majority of this societal microcosm.

yupyup7up · 31-10-2011 9:08pm

MrStuffins wrote: »

Nope, but if you are automatically against something for no other reason that "It's not natural" then maybe you shouldn't be using the internet. It's not natural after all.

You just don't see the comparison between people and material objects do you? From what you are saying, if I broke my phone, then I'd get life in jail for murder:rolleyes:

df1985 · 31-10-2011 9:08pm

My two cents on a few of the issues raised (as a gay 25yr old guy)

Gay marriage: I think people get very hung up on the word "marriage", I dont want marriage, i want the rights that come from marriage. civil partnership is a big step forward but it didnt go far enough. People calling for "gay marriage" are actually just calling out for the same rights a straight couple have. if the law does change, doesnt have to be called "marriage", call it a big puff party for all I care, once the rights are the same.

Gay adoption: ok, if the state decides that adoption is SOLELY for a married man and woman in a typical family unit, then fair enough-Ill accept that. however, as far as Im aware adoption is also open to single people. therefore I should not be discounted soley based on my sexuality. Id be a better father to a child than many I see going around today-what does it matter if daddy has a boyfriend? if the powers that be decide im not suitable, then fair enough-be it for financial or whatever reasons but at least let me apply and not have the door shut in my face simply because im gay.

MrStuffins · 31-10-2011 9:09pm

yupyup7up wrote: »

You just don't see the comparison between people and material objects do you? From what you are saying, if I broke my phone, then I'd get life in jail for murder:rolleyes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RA06Z5e1ZFc

yupyup7up · 31-10-2011 9:18pm

df1985 wrote: »

My two cents on a few of the issues raised (as a gay 25yr old guy)

Gay marriage: I think people get very hung up on the word "marriage", I dont want marriage, i want the rights that come from marriage. civil partnership is a big step forward but it didnt go far enough. People calling for "gay marriage" are actually just calling out for the same rights a straight couple have. if the law does change, doesnt have to be called "marriage", call it a big puff party for all I care, once the rights are the same.

Gay adoption: ok, if the state decides that adoption is SOLELY for a married man and woman in a typical family unit, then fair enough-Ill accept that. however, as far as Im aware adoption is also open to single people. therefore I should not be discounted soley based on my sexuality. Id be a better father to a child than many I see going around today-what does it matter if daddy has a boyfriend? if the powers that be decide im not suitable, then fair enough-be it for financial or whatever reasons but at least let me apply and not have the door shut in my face simply because im gay.

I personally don't care about the marriage side of things. Marry away I say!

I wasn't aware that adoption was an option to single people. I wouldn't agree with that either!

yupyup7up · 31-10-2011 9:18pm

MrStuffins wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RA06Z5e1ZFc

Facepalm for my comment? You're the one making outrageous statements!

MrStuffins · 31-10-2011 9:21pm

yupyup7up wrote: »

Facepalm for my comment? You're the one making outrageous statements!

My point was pretty straight forward. I'm not sure how anyone could possibly misunderstand it but..............you told me I my point was that you could murder your phone.

Dear oh dear!!

yupyup7up · 31-10-2011 9:23pm

MrStuffins wrote: »

My point was pretty straight forward. I'm not sure how anyone could possibly misunderstand it but..............you told me I my point was that you could murder your phone.

Dear oh dear!!

You compare human relations with man made objects as an argument! Come on now, lets be realistic here. Just because you don't agree with me doesn't mean you should try ridicule me (or yourself in this case).

Simtech · 31-10-2011 9:24pm

yupyup7up wrote: »

I personally don't care about the marriage side of things. Marry away I say!

I wasn't aware that adoption was an option to single people. I wouldn't agree with that either!

The following persons are eligible to adopt:-

(a) a married couple living together; this is the only circumstance where the law permits the adoption of a child by more than one person:
(b) a married person alone; in this circumstances the spouse’s consent to adopt must be obtained, unless they are living apart and are separated under (i) a court decree or (ii) deed of separation or (iii) the spouse has deserted the prospective adopter or (iv) conduct on the part of the spouse results in the prospective adopter, with just cause, leaving the spouse and living apart;
(c) the mother, father or a relative of the child (relative meaning a grandparent, brother, sister, uncle or aunt of the child and/or the spouse of any such person, the relationship to the child being traced through the mother or the father);
(d) a widow or widower.

A sole applicant who does not come within the classes of persons defined under (c) and (d) above may only adopt where the Adoption Authority of Ireland is satisfied that, in particular circumstances of the case, it is desirable to grant an order. It is not possible for two unmarried persons to adopt jointly.
http://aai.gov.ie/index.php/domestic-adoption/introduction.html

ITS_A_BADGER · 31-10-2011 9:25pm

damn gays coming over here taking our women:rolleyes:

MrStuffins · 31-10-2011 9:26pm

yupyup7up wrote: »

You compare human relations with man made objects as an argument! Come on now, lets be realistic here. Just because you don't agree with me doesn't mean you should try ridicule me (or yourself in this case).

Nope, I compared one thing that was not natural with another thing that was not natiral.

You see, your only argument is "it's not natural". It seems to me that something not being natural only bothers you when it suits you.

efb · 31-10-2011 9:27pm

Were here! Were Queer, I'd actually like a few more bears! RAAR!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IM9kh2IX58

yupyup7up · 31-10-2011 9:27pm

Simtech wrote: »

The following persons are eligible to adopt:-

(a) a married couple living together; this is the only circumstance where the law permits the adoption of a child by more than one person:
(b) a married person alone; in this circumstances the spouse’s consent to adopt must be obtained, unless they are living apart and are separated under (i) a court decree or (ii) deed of separation or (iii) the spouse has deserted the prospective adopter or (iv) conduct on the part of the spouse results in the prospective adopter, with just cause, leaving the spouse and living apart;
(c) the mother, father or a relative of the child (relative meaning a grandparent, brother, sister, uncle or aunt of the child and/or the spouse of any such person, the relationship to the child being traced through the mother or the father);
(d) a widow or widower.

A sole applicant who does not come within the classes of persons defined under (c) and (d) above may only adopt where the Adoption Authority of Ireland is satisfied that, in particular circumstances of the case, it is desirable to grant an order. It is not possible for two unmarried persons to adopt jointly.
http://aai.gov.ie/index.php/domestic-adoption/introduction.html

The law seems spot on to me! I reckon that civil partnership should be retained, but give any financial benefits etc. too

laoch na mona · 31-10-2011 9:27pm

I blame the greeks
feckin Quaresssssssss:D

Freddie59 · 31-10-2011 9:28pm

yupyup7up wrote: »

Facepalm for my comment? You're the one making outrageous statements!

Not according to his good self......:)

4leto · 31-10-2011 9:28pm

MrStuffins wrote: »

Nope, I compared one thing that was not natural with another thing that was not natiral.

You see, your only argument is "it's not natural". It seems to me that something not being natural only bothers you when it suits you.

Is your sexual practices natural, do stick to the Christian method and only have sex for procreation????

Freddie59 · 31-10-2011 9:29pm

Sinfonia wrote: »

So what you're saying is that you feel like a trod-upon minority when you express opinions on boards? Interesting. Maybe you should tailor your beliefs to suit the majority of this societal microcosm.

Well, unfortunately, it is the reality.;)

MrStuffins · 31-10-2011 9:33pm

4leto wrote: »

Is your sexual practices natural, do stick to the Christian method and only have sex for procreation????

F*ck no!

I'm not Christian you see, so i don't take my instructions from the Bible.

It's just as well, because if i did i'd have to put my mother to death for working yesterday, the sabbath, according to Leviticus. I like my mother though. Most I could do it beat her up a bit!

I have sex for pleasure and because I am deeply in love with my other half. We actively prevent procreation though

Killer Pigeon · 31-10-2011 9:34pm

efb wrote: »

Were here! Were Queer, I'd actually like a few more bears! RAAR!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IM9kh2IX58

Google "Open House gay bears", choose the first link. You will not be disappointed.

df1985 · 31-10-2011 9:35pm

Simtech wrote: »

The following persons are eligible to adopt:-

(a) a married couple living together; this is the only circumstance where the law permits the adoption of a child by more than one person:
(b) a married person alone; in this circumstances the spouse’s consent to adopt must be obtained, unless they are living apart and are separated under (i) a court decree or (ii) deed of separation or (iii) the spouse has deserted the prospective adopter or (iv) conduct on the part of the spouse results in the prospective adopter, with just cause, leaving the spouse and living apart;
(c) the mother, father or a relative of the child (relative meaning a grandparent, brother, sister, uncle or aunt of the child and/or the spouse of any such person, the relationship to the child being traced through the mother or the father);
(d) a widow or widower.

A sole applicant who does not come within the classes of persons defined under (c) and (d) above may only adopt where the Adoption Authority of Ireland is satisfied that, in particular circumstances of the case, it is desirable to grant an order. It is not possible for two unmarried persons to adopt jointly.
http://aai.gov.ie/index.php/domestic-adoption/introduction.html

B reads to me as a couple with marriage problems!
D is just a single person really, what does it matter if they were previously married.

Simtech · 31-10-2011 9:35pm

efb wrote: »

Were here! Were Queer, I'd actually like a few more bears! RAAR! QUOTE]

I think one of the principal arguments of the majority is; Yes, we know you are here and queer, we just don't need to have it paraded in front of us at every opportunity as in Gay Pride for example. There is no Hetero Pride parade as it would be considered crass and insulting to and by those who are not hetero.

efb · 31-10-2011 9:37pm

Simtech wrote: »

efb wrote: »

Were here! Were Queer, I'd actually like a few more bears! RAAR!

I think one of the principal arguments of the majority is; Yes, we know you are here and queer, we just don't need to have it paraded in front of us at every opportunity as in Gay Pride for example. There is no Hetero Pride parade as it would be considered crass and insulting to and by those who are not hetero.

Google Stonewall for reasons for Pride

yupyup7up · 31-10-2011 9:38pm

Simtech wrote: »

efb wrote: »

Were here! Were Queer, I'd actually like a few more bears! RAAR!

I think one of the principal arguments of the majority is; Yes, we know you are here and queer, we just don't need to have it paraded in front of us at every opportunity as in Gay Pride for example. There is no Hetero Pride parade as it would be considered crass and insulting to and by those who are not hetero.

Good point. It would be the same as releasing a White Entertainment Television channel!

Killer Pigeon · 31-10-2011 9:38pm

Simtech wrote: »

efb wrote: »

Were here! Were Queer, I'd actually like a few more bears! RAAR! QUOTE]

I think one of the principal arguments of the majority is; Yes, we know you are here and queer, we just don't need to have it paraded in front of us at every opportunity as in Gay Pride for example. There is no Hetero Pride parade as it would be considered crass and insulting to and by those who are not hetero.

There's a hetero parade nearly every night in Temple Bar.

efb · 31-10-2011 9:38pm

Simtech wrote: »

efb wrote: »

Were here! Were Queer, I'd actually like a few more bears! RAAR! QUOTE]

I think one of the principal arguments of the majority is; Yes, we know you are here and queer, we just don't need to have it paraded in front of us at every opportunity as in Gay Pride for example. There is no Hetero Pride parade as it would be considered crass and insulting to and by those who are not hetero.

lots of my hetro friends march at pride- they believe in equal rights for gays too.

Simtech · 31-10-2011 9:42pm

efb wrote: »

Simtech wrote: »

Google Stonewall for reasons for Pride

I found a documentary on it, downloading now.

efb · 31-10-2011 9:46pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4O0KaMEvBDo

MrStuffins · 31-10-2011 9:48pm

laoch na mona wrote: »

I blame the greeks
feckin Quaresssssssss:D

They invented gayness!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

efb · 31-10-2011 9:52pm

MrStuffins wrote: »

They invented gayness!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

La Gréce, Douze Points!

laoch na mona · 31-10-2011 9:54pm

we should have elected dana she would have banned their decedent lifestyle

Gays want to take over the rest of Society?

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