British poppy: should the Irish commemorate people who fought for the British Empire?

getz · 24-10-2011 1:15pm

No (I'm British/not Irish)

ash23 wrote: »

My problem is more with the furore when someone opts out.
There have been a number of people who have expressed the pressure they were put under to wear one, particularly those in the media.
It doesn't bother me a bit if someone wants to wear one. But nobody should be pressured into wearing one. And the issues if they don't.

If someone wants to wear it, let them. If they don't, there shouldn't be a fuss made of that either.

what a load of crap,in the UK there are some 58 million people living,last year only 26 million poppies sold,and many of them will have been bought more than once by the same people,it may also be of interest to you that in birmingham city centre they cannot this year sell the poppy on the streets ,does that sound like a media pressure ?,as i said before most of the younger generation just dont want to know,only some irish seem to want to make a big deal out of it,i wear one because i can relate to all my irish ancestors who died,but i bet my son and his descendants dont.

ash23 · 24-10-2011 1:19pm

getz wrote: »

what a load of crap,in the UK there are some 58 million people living,last year only 26 million poppies sold,and many of them will have been bought more than once by the same people,it may also be of interest to you that in birmingham city centre they cannot this year sell the poppy on the streets ,does that sound like a media pressure ?,as i said before most of the younger generation just dont want to know,only some irish seem to want to make a big deal out of it,i wear one because i can relate to all my irish ancestors who died,but i bet my son and his descendants dont.

You'll note that I said about people in the media. Not people in general.
It is frowned upon for someone in the media not to wear one and it does cause controversy.
So like I said, if people want to, let them. If not then don't force the issue.

getz · 24-10-2011 1:36pm

No (I'm British/not Irish)

ash23 wrote: »

You'll note that I said about people in the media. Not people in general.
It is frowned upon for someone in the media not to wear one and it does cause controversy.
So like I said, if people want to, let them. If not then don't force the issue.

then do not go on BRITISH media, if i was on the media in any country i would observe their anthems customs ect,its called respect,[very little of it around today],if you are not prepared to do that in anothers country ,dont complain when you get other peoples back up.

Spiderman123 · 24-10-2011 1:40pm

Yes (I'm Irish)

KeithAFC wrote: »

Don't see why not. The 16th Irish division was a great division.

Turkeys you mean. They got mowed down like turkeys as they tried to charge down the German machine guns with their bodies the eejits.

Spiderman123 · 24-10-2011 1:43pm

Yes (I'm Irish)

getz wrote: »

then do not go on BRITISH media, if i was on the media in any country i would observe their anthems customs ect,its called respect,[very little of it around today],if you are not prepared to do that in anothers country ,dont complain when you get other peoples back up.

Listen Fred, if their so stupid to go out and get maimed for a govt that would'nt look after them when they come home - well that's their tough luck isn't it ! Their's enough beggars on the streets without the Brits joining in :rolleyes:

ash23 · 24-10-2011 1:43pm

getz wrote: »

then do not go on BRITISH media, if i was on the media in any country i would observe their anthems customs ect,its called respect,[very little of it around today],if you are not prepared to do that in anothers country ,dont complain when you get other peoples back up.

Meh whatever. Like I said I wouldn't have a problem with someone not wearing the shamrock on Irish tv. Equally I don't see the problem with someone choosing not to wear a poppy on British tv. no need for anyone to get their backs up.

ejmaztec · 24-10-2011 1:47pm

Spot the low-post-count re-reg.

Tiocfaidh Armani · 24-10-2011 1:48pm

Spiderman123 wrote: »

Listen Fred, if their so stupid to go out and get maimed for a govt that would'nt look after them when they come home - well that's their tough luck isn't it ! Their's enough beggars on the streets without the Brits joining in :rolleyes:

I can't agree with that enough. I live in Britain and the hard-on people get for militarism makes me shudder.

The people who largely join it are lacking in the brains department and couldn't get a job stacking shelves in Tesco. It's not 1939 anymore, Europe is at peace, the British Army now are stooges for their governments interests around the world and basically you're there to intervene with whatever oil-rich country that allegedly needs their help. There's nothing heroic about it. They're mercenaries in other words and trained killers who don't have a get track record of treating the locals well wherever they go, yet we the Irish people should support them and their wounded when their own government who sends them on their jaunts around the world don't?!

No chance, there is a lot more worthy cause to help. They're not even worthy of help. Anyone who joins the British Army now cannot be so stupid to know what it entails and the lack of honour in their wars.

Wile E. Coyote · 24-10-2011 1:55pm

Bloody hell is it that time of year already. Yes they should be remembered but not with the poppy.

ejmaztec · 24-10-2011 2:04pm

The annual soap-box-vitriol-fest where no-one on either side can convince anyone on the other side that they're talking horse-sh1t.:pac:

getz · 24-10-2011 2:10pm

No (I'm British/not Irish)

Tiocfaidh Armani wrote: »

I can't agree with that enough. I live in Britain and the hard-on people get for militarism makes me shudder.

The people who largely join it are lacking in the brains department and couldn't get a job stacking shelves in Tesco. It's not 1939 anymore, Europe is at peace, the British Army now are stooges for their governments interests around the world and basically you're there to intervene with whatever oil-rich country that allegedly needs their help. There's nothing heroic about it. They're mercenaries in other words and trained killers who don't have a get track record of treating the locals well wherever they go, yet we the Irish people should support them and their wounded when their own government who sends them on their jaunts around the world don't?!

No chance, there is a lot more worthy cause to help. They're not even worthy of help. Anyone who joins the British Army now cannot be so stupid to know what it entails and the lack of honour in their wars.

you live and make a living in britain ? why ? after that rant .two words ,sectarian,dinosaur

sheesh · 24-10-2011 2:13pm

I think it is quiet simple. If you are irish and someone in your family was in the war then maybe you should consider wearing the poppy. Otherwise It has nothing to do with you.

BTW a friend of mine is a distant relation of lord haw haw who was hung for treason by the british at the end of the war. should he wear the poppy too?

ejmaztec · 24-10-2011 2:14pm

getz wrote: »

you live and make a living in britain ? why ? after that rant .two words ,sectarian,dinosaur

...better not tell him where some of his UK taxes are going.

Nodin · 24-10-2011 2:19pm

getz wrote: »

you live and make a living in britain ? why ? after that rant .two words ,sectarian,dinosaur

You might explain what the first of those two words has to do with his comment.

baltimore sun · 24-10-2011 2:37pm

No (I'm Irish)

Green poppy?

LordSutch · 24-10-2011 2:40pm

No (I'm Irish)

Poppies are Red.

ejmaztec · 24-10-2011 2:43pm

LordSutch wrote: »

Poppies are Red.

Violets are blue

baltimore sun · 24-10-2011 2:46pm

No (I'm Irish)

LordSutch wrote: »

Poppies are Red.

Unless they are blue, :eek:
http://hankinslawrenceimages.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/blue_poppies_7555.jpg?w=600&h=537
or white :eek:
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQoucy7gKjkw8gVDAg57qcgsnDlZBUv-YNavqa1LiBvsNeHy-qzkw
or orange :eek:
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQH_49ogDMcgIduA1g4JkeMtu833XkCPHMOlGN4qVD4J-gK4cJ4cg

Immaculate Pasta · 24-10-2011 3:13pm

Yes (I'm Irish)

baltimore sun wrote: »

Unless they are blue, :eek:
http://hankinslawrenceimages.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/blue_poppies_7555.jpg?w=600&h=537
or white :eek:
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQoucy7gKjkw8gVDAg57qcgsnDlZBUv-YNavqa1LiBvsNeHy-qzkw
or orange :eek:
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQH_49ogDMcgIduA1g4JkeMtu833XkCPHMOlGN4qVD4J-gK4cJ4cg

Blatant photoshop :cool:

Fratton Fred · 24-10-2011 3:21pm

Tiocfaidh Armani wrote: »

I can't agree with that enough. I live in Britain and the hard-on people get for militarism makes me shudder.

The people who largely join it are lacking in the brains department and couldn't get a job stacking shelves in Tesco. It's not 1939 anymore, Europe is at peace, the British Army now are stooges for their governments interests around the world and basically you're there to intervene with whatever oil-rich country that allegedly needs their help. There's nothing heroic about it. They're mercenaries in other words and trained killers who don't have a get track record of treating the locals well wherever they go, yet we the Irish people should support them and their wounded when their own government who sends them on their jaunts around the world don't?!

No chance, there is a lot more worthy cause to help. They're not even worthy of help. Anyone who joins the British Army now cannot be so stupid to know what it entails and the lack of honour in their wars.

I'd like to see you explain that post to Makikomi face to face.

Tgis "Hard on" as you put that the British have for their military is something the Irish should take note of tbh.

The fact that most of the country has no idea that the Irish army is carrying out UN sanctioned work in Chad, Afghanistan and Chad is frankly shameful.

baltimore sun · 24-10-2011 3:24pm

No (I'm Irish)

Immaculate Pasta wrote: »

Blatant photoshop :cool:

wouldn't think so, I opened photoshop once and there was so many things to do I freaked out and ran away

and a quick google brought this up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pEy58n6yEk

LordSutch · 24-10-2011 3:29pm

No (I'm Irish)

baltimore sun wrote: »

wouldn't think so, I opened photoshop once and there was so many things to do I freaked out and ran away

and a quick google brought this up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pEy58n6yEk

I presume this thread is about Remebrance Sunday (Poppy Day) and the Irish men who died on Flanders Fields?

In which case > http://www.hotelsbruges.co.uk/info/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/bruges-flanders-fields3.jpg

Immaculate Pasta · 24-10-2011 3:40pm

Yes (I'm Irish)

baltimore sun wrote: »

wouldn't think so, I opened photoshop once and there was so many things to do I freaked out and ran away

and a quick google brought this up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pEy58n6yEk

Thanks for taking the bait

Tiocfaidh Armani · 24-10-2011 3:42pm

getz wrote: »

you live and make a living in britain ? why ? after that rant .two words ,sectarian,dinosaur

I'm a bigot?:rolleyes:

What a perfectly enlightened and reasonable response to my post. Thank you.....

getz · 24-10-2011 3:47pm

No (I'm British/not Irish)

Tiocfaidh Armani wrote: »

I'm a bigot?:rolleyes:

What a perfectly enlightened and reasonable response to my post. Thank you.....

dont thank me i quite enjoyed it,

Tiocfaidh Armani · 24-10-2011 3:49pm

getz wrote: »

dont thank me i quite enjoyed it,

So did I, I gave my opinion and that was the best to you could do to retort it without addressing any of it. Carry on, I love debating people who can’t summon an argument, it makes me feel all superior!:D

rounding tattenham Corner · 24-10-2011 4:06pm

No (I'm Irish)

Dionysus wrote: »

Keith! Welcome to the thread.:D

Ah, the 16th Irish, otherwise known as Kitchener's Mob - would that be any connection to one Horatio Kitchener, the British commander responsible for the murder of tens of thousands of women and children in concentration camps during the Second Boer War? Are he and his allies really worth "commemorating"?

Correction the irish\british commander Horatio Kitchener

who the fug · 24-10-2011 4:11pm

rounding tattenham Corner wrote: »

Correction the irish\british commander Horatio Kitchener

Correction on the Correction

Kerry/British commander Horatio Kitchener

Lets be specific on the blame

Back on topic, does the Legion still spend in the 26 counties ?

ejmaztec · 24-10-2011 4:11pm

rounding tattenham Corner wrote: »

Correction the irish\british commander Horatio Kitchener

Another troublesome Kerryman prone to violent outbursts.:(

Judgement Day · 24-10-2011 4:16pm

who the fug wrote: »

Correction on the Correction

Kerry/British commander Horatio Kitchener

Lets be specific on the blame

Back on topic, does the Legion still spend in the 26 counties ?

http://republic-of-ireland.britishlegion.org.uk/

British poppy: should the Irish commemorate people who fought for the British Empire?

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