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Stove Fan

Audioslaven wrote: »

Just to update Stove Fan, I went with a Morso 1446 in the end. Between lots of google searching etc Morso seemed a decent but expensive option. I got it locally as well which was a plus for future maintenance issues.

Morso are a very good make and in time for Autumn:D Quite a modern style:)

Stove Fan:)

Robbie.G

The draft of the new building regs that will govern stoves are here.Hopefully these will clarify some issues re stoves and fitting.They are worth a read
http://www.environ.ie/en/Legislation/DevelopmentandHousing/BuildingStandards/FileDownLoad,30815,en.pdf

coillsaille

Hi Stove Fan (and all)
Just wondering if you have any knowledge of, or opinion of, the Oranier Aqua Belt insert stove. Its what my plumber/heating engineer is recommending for my new build. The house will be heated by this stove working alongside solar tubes, with both feeding into a buffer tank and then hot water and underfloor coming from the tank.

Stove Fan

coillsaille wrote: »

Hi Stove Fan (and all)
Just wondering if you have any knowledge of, or opinion of, the Oranier Aqua Belt insert stove. Its what my plumber/heating engineer is recommending for my new build. The house will be heated by this stove working alongside solar tubes, with both feeding into a buffer tank and then hot water and underfloor coming from the tank.

Hi:) I personally have never heard of that make. It states 6 kw to water which isn't a lot unless you have a very well insulated and airtight house.
Is it just woodburning? Are you sure you can supply enough cheap wood?
Be carfull of the room heat output if your property is built to near passive levels. It should I hope be good quality considering the price of over 3k in the UK.

There are quite a few contempoary boiler stoves around. Just on a search I found this one.
http://www.stovesonline.co.uk/wood_burning_stoves/Woodfire-F12-boiler-stove.html
Look at the various manufacturers in this list for ones with boilers and low room output if your home is very well insulated.
http://www.stovesonline.co.uk/wood_burning_stoves/Woodfire-F12-boiler-stove.html
The plumber should calculate the room heat output, ie the heat needed to heat the room where the stove is installed and water heating. The heat from the boiler stove would heat this room. If not topped up with underfloor/rads.
It is very important to buy a boiler stove that matches or is less than the required room heat.
If you bought a stove with a too high room heat output you would then close the fire up hence not heating the buffer tank to the required heat needed.
Manufactures generally quote the two outputs in KW.

Room Heat =
Boiler output=

Buffer tanks or thermal store are a great way to combine heat sources.

Have a look through here or search contempoary boiler stoves on google.
http://www.whatstove.co.uk/
You may like woodwarm http://www.woodwarmstoves.co.uk/ They work really well and a great view of the fire. They also do a dedicated woodburning version the wildwood. Although the fireview has a grate that closes for wood and open for coal by a lever. The glass is double glazed like clearview stoves.

Stove Fan:)

Yorky

Hi, I am hoping to buy two wood burning stoves in the very near future & looking for advice.

Room one (Family).(On an external wall)

The stove would be to heat this room alone with no back boiler

Fire recess is 460mm deep x 710mm high x 595mm wide

Room size is 4.4m x 3.9m x 2.5m high

Would you advise fitting an inset stove in this or increasing the opening & then lining with heat-proof panels to fit a free-standing one? Or even a semi-inset but this would involve extending the hearth?

Room two(lounge) .(On an external wall)

Going to knock the wall through from Lounge to Dining/Kitchen creating an L-shaped room.
Lounge 4.4m x 3.9m plus 2.5m x 1.2m bay window.
Kitchen/Dining 8m x 4m

This stove would be to generally heat the above area plus the general ground floor area-apart from the other room with it's own stove- 147 m3 in total.

Radiators: There are 15 radiators in total which have a total BTU output (according to the manufacturer) of 86000 BTU's or 25Kw. The ground floor on its own would be about 45000 BTU's.

This figure seems excessive compared to other examples in this thread. Have I calculated correctly?



The stoves will probably be lit 24 hours per day during the winter, just slumbered at night.

The house is difficult to heat .


I would be grateful for:
Suggestions for the type / heat output of stoves
Whether it's a good idea to have a boiler stove


Thanks in advance.

Stove Fan

Yorky wrote: »

Hi, I am hoping to buy two wood burning stoves in the very near future & looking for advice.

Room one (Family).(On an external wall)

The stove would be to heat this room alone with no back boiler

Fire recess is 460mm deep x 710mm high x 595mm wide

Room size is 4.4m x 3.9m x 2.5m high

Would you advise fitting an inset stove in this or increasing the opening & then lining with heat-proof panels to fit a free-standing one? Or even a semi-inset but this would involve extending the hearth?

Room two(lounge) .(On an external wall)

Going to knock the wall through from Lounge to Dining/Kitchen creating an L-shaped room.
Lounge 4.4m x 3.9m plus 2.5m x 1.2m bay window.
Kitchen/Dining 8m x 4m

This stove would be to generally heat the above area plus the general ground floor area-apart from the other room with it's own stove- 147 m3 in total.

Radiators: There are 15 radiators in total which have a total BTU output (according to the manufacturer) of 86000 BTU's or 25Kw. The ground floor on its own would be about 45000 BTU's.

This figure seems excessive compared to other examples in this thread. Have I calculated correctly?



The stoves will probably be lit 24 hours per day during the winter, just slumbered at night.

The house is difficult to heat .


I would be grateful for:
Suggestions for the type / heat output of stoves
Whether it's a good idea to have a boiler stove


Thanks in advance.

Hi, for your family room I would advice an inset stove as the opening is too narrow for a freestanding stove inside the fireplace opening to get the required clearance for building regs. You need 150mm air space either side of the stove and 300mm above. This is for the air to circulate and let the heat escape.
This room requires about 3kw to heat it, add a bit more if very cold say 4kw. I would buy a woodwarm insert.
http://www.woodwarmstoves.co.uk/products/fireview-range/4kwinsetfireview.ashx
or enigma. http://www.woodwarmstoves.co.uk/products/wildwood-range1/enigma35kwinset.ashx
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=woodwarm+stoves


For your open plan lounge/kitchen/dining room you need a stove with around a 9kw room heat output.

I would suggest the arrow ecoboiler if cost is a factor.
http://www.stratfordboilerstoves.co.uk/models/freestanding-stoves/eb20-he.html

You would probably not use the rads downstairs as the boiler stoves room heat would heat this open plan L shaped space. To be honest I think the slightly smaller arrow would do the job.
http://www.stratfordboilerstoves.co.uk/models/freestanding-stoves/eb16-he.html

I would get a plumber in to confirm the output of the rads but it sounds from the info you have provided the right sized boiler stove.

If your rural and no mains gas then a boiler stove is a great addition/sole heat source. If you have ready access to cheap fuel great but you do need a good supply of it. We pay 60 euro a cubic metre for spruce firewood and personally find you can't beat coal on price. We have no mains gas so coal is cheapest on our boiler stove.

If you have mains gas, consider a dry stove only as no plumbing. This would only heat the open plan room but reduce the gas bill:)
Something like the woodwarm fireview 9kw or enigma 8 freestanding.
http://www.woodwarmstoves.co.uk/products/fireview-range/9kwfireview.ashx
http://www.woodwarmstoves.co.uk/products/wildwood-range1/enigma8kwfreestanding.ashx
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrKR8ELO5ec
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glXbfrNESys

Woodwarm are a great stove but rather dear for a large boiler stove. The Aarrow is a good stove for the money but the woodwarm is better.

Stove Fan:)

coillsaille

Stove Fan wrote: »

Hi:) I personally have never heard of that make. It states 6 kw to water which isn't a lot unless you have a very well insulated and airtight house.
Is it just woodburning? Are you sure you can supply enough cheap wood?
Be carfull of the room heat output if your property is built to near passive levels. It should I hope be good quality considering the price of over 3k in the UK.

There are quite a few contempoary boiler stoves around.

The plumber should calculate the room heat output, ie the heat needed to heat the room where the stove is installed and water heating. The heat from the boiler stove would heat this room. If not topped up with underfloor/rads.
It is very important to buy a boiler stove that matches or is less than the required room heat.
If you bought a stove with a too high room heat output you would then close the fire up hence not heating the buffer tank to the required heat needed.
Manufactures generally quote the two outputs in KW.

Room Heat =
Boiler output=

Buffer tanks or thermal store are a great way to combine heat sources.

Stove Fan:)

Thanks for that Stove Fan. Yes the house is near passive standard and airtight. The plumber is importing the stove directly from Germany, so its costing us under 3k euro.
Funny that you mention it because my main concern about this heating system has been the possibility of overheating in the living room that the stove is in. However plumber says it shouldnt be an issue. It is a big room with a very high vaulted ceiling. There is an open archway leading into the kitchen/dining area and a door leading out to hallway so he says the heat will disperse easily from the room. We also have HRV which he says will help move the heat from the stove around the house. Hope he is right.

sasol

Hi,

I am looking for a bit of advice/opinion.

We have built a new house, which we have been living in for the past two years and we are now finishing off the last room - a large sitting room. It measures 8.5M(Length) X 4.5M(Width) X 2.5M(Height).

We had originally planned to have an open fire in the room and the builder has left a standard opening for this - picture attached.

What we are looking for is a contempory style inset stove, that will obviously keep the room fairly warm. There are 4 large windows in the room, as well as a set of double doors to an outside patio, so I would guess we would need an inset stove of approx 8kw output.

We don't have any requirements for the stove to heat rads or water. We want the stove to be able to burn wood/turf/coal.

I am based in the Clare/Limerick area so I will be purchasing in that area. But if anyone has any advice/suggestions/opinions on the type of stove that may suit, and what would be best value for money, they would be much appreciated.

Thanks,
Sasol

Stove Fan

coillsaille wrote: »

Thanks for that Stove Fan. Yes the house is near passive standard and airtight. The plumber is importing the stove directly from Germany, so its costing us under 3k euro.
Funny that you mention it because my main concern about this heating system has been the possibility of overheating in the living room that the stove is in. However plumber says it shouldnt be an issue. It is a big room with a very high vaulted ceiling. There is an open archway leading into the kitchen/dining area and a door leading out to hallway so he says the heat will disperse easily from the room. We also have HRV which he says will help move the heat from the stove around the house. Hope he is right.

The plumber/heating engineer should of calculated the heat loss of the room with the stove and chosen a stove with a room heat output that matches the required heat or less heat output required. Ie chosen a boiler stove with a matching or less room heat than what the room requires to heat it.
Generally being passive build very little heat is required, so really down to the plumber specifying the stove/ heating system.
I don't know anything about Heat recovery ventilation but I wouldn't count on that to circulate the stoves room heat. I would confirm with the HRV manufacturers.

Stove Fan.:)

Stove Fan

sasol wrote: »

Hi,

I am looking for a bit of advice/opinion.

We have built a new house, which we have been living in for the past two years and we are now finishing off the last room - a large sitting room. It measures 8.5M(Length) X 4.5M(Width) X 2.5M(Height).

We had originally planned to have an open fire in the room and the builder has left a standard opening for this - picture attached.

What we are looking for is a contempory style inset stove, that will obviously keep the room fairly warm. There are 4 large windows in the room, as well as a set of double doors to an outside patio, so I would guess we would need an inset stove of approx 8kw output.

We don't have any requirements for the stove to heat rads or water. We want the stove to be able to burn wood/turf/coal.

I am based in the Clare/Limerick area so I will be purchasing in that area. But if anyone has any advice/suggestions/opinions on the type of stove that may suit, and what would be best value for money, they would be much appreciated.

Thanks,
Sasol

Hi, based on your room size your looking for a stove of around 7kw If your insulation is good then personally I feel 6kw would be enough.
Myself it would be a woodwarm fireview 6.5kw inset. Very well made and they work very well.
http://www.woodwarmstoves.co.uk/products/fireview-range/65kwinsetfireview.ashx
Youtube vid.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCMmV4vszEs

There is the Aarrow ecoburn 7kw.
http://www.aarrowfires.com/our-range-of-stoves/ecoburn-range/ecoburn-inset.html

The Esse.
http://www.esse.com/multifuel-stoves/350se/

Boru would be the right output, but don't know the brand.

http://www.mullendomestic.com/Boru-Fiachra-7kW-Inset-Stove

There are quite a few inset fires made but I would highly recommend woodwarm.

www.whatstove.co.uk

Stove Fan:)

sasol

Thanks very much for that information !

Yorky

Thanks Stove Fan - you're a mine of information

Stove Fan wrote: »

Hi, for your family room I would advice an inset stove as the opening is too narrow for a freestanding stove inside the fireplace opening to get the required clearance for building regs. You need 150mm air space either side of the stove and 300mm above. This is for the air to circulate and let the heat escape.
This room requires about 3kw to heat it, add a bit more if very cold say 4kw. I would buy a woodwarm insert.
http://www.woodwarmstoves.co.uk/products/fireview-range/4kwinsetfireview.ashx
or enigma. http://www.woodwarmstoves.co.uk/products/wildwood-range1/enigma35kwinset.ashx
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=woodwarm+stoves

What do you think about the Clearview Vision inset? http://www.clearviewstoves.com/visioninset.htm

They get good reviews on www.whatstove.co.uk

Do you think the Woodwarm is superior?

Woodwarm are a great stove but rather dear for a large boiler stove. The Aarrow is a good stove for the money but the woodwarm is better.

I note the highest water heating output from a Clearview is 45,000 BTU's but it's a big stove.

The Stratford seem to have a higher boiler output & room heat than Woodwarm but are they a quality stove? I don't mind paying for quality (esp. airtight firebox) as a cheaper one could be false economy.

I also meant to say I want both stoves to have a dedicated air supply ducted directly to the appliance.

Where is the best place to buy a stove from? www.stovesonline.co.uk seem to have a comprehensive range. Are they competitively priced?

Finally, , where is the best place to get the chimney lining parts from. I've found a few companies in the UK online which are competitively priced but don't know what the quality is like.

Here are some photos of the fireplaces, chimneys etc and a floor plan http://s238.photobucket.com/albums/ff250/Kilnadrain/Fireplaces/

cordni

Hi stoveman, I am hoping you may be able to help me. I am in the process of getting my stove in. so far I have had the fireplace taken out. the walls reskimmed, and blocks layed for the new hearth. tomorrow morning I am getting my tiles laid. I have bought black polished porceline 60x60. I am deciding how they should be laid. I may be wrong but I think I read before that the stove should not sit on top of a single tile, that its better if it sits between tiles. I wonder if you could give your input. For the my preferred layout the stove would sit in the centre of one of the tiles, but obviously I don't want to do this if it is more prone to cracking.

Stove Fan

Yorky wrote: »

Thanks Stove Fan - you're a mine of information

What do you think about the Clearview Vision inset? http://www.clearviewstoves.com/visioninset.htm

They get good reviews on www.whatstove.co.uk

Do you think the Woodwarm is superior?
I note the highest water heating output from a Clearview is 45,000 BTU's but it's a big stove.

The Stratford seem to have a higher boiler output & room heat than Woodwarm but are they a quality stove? I don't mind paying for quality (esp. airtight firebox) as a cheaper one could be false economy.

I also meant to say I want both stoves to have a dedicated air supply ducted directly to the appliance.

Where is the best place to buy a stove from? www.stovesonline.co.uk seem to have a comprehensive range. Are they competitively priced?

Finally, , where is the best place to get the chimney lining parts from. I've found a few companies in the UK online which are competitively priced but don't know what the quality is like.

Here are some photos of the fireplaces, chimneys etc and a floor plan http://s238.photobucket.com/albums/ff250/Kilnadrain/Fireplaces/

Hi, the clearview inset are a very very good make but personally I think woodwarm beats it for price and the woodwarm still works just as well.

The Aarrow is a reasonable brand for quality but of course woodwarm and Clearview are much better. If you have unlimited funds buy woodwarm or clearview.

Unfortunately on the woodwarm and the aarrow ecoboiler they don't have the external air supply option:( I take it your remodelling the house and want this option.

You will struggle to find large quality boiler stoves with the external air supply.
The clearview 650 and 750 have this option:D Clearview have a reputation for building the rolls royce of stoves:D Everyone loves them generally and they hold their used value well in the UK etc.
You may well seriously consider this stove.
Might be an idea to email clearview to see what the stoves room heat is with the 45,000btu boiler installed in the 750 stove. If under 9kw then it's fine:)

As you want an inset stove as well with external air supply how about a contura I4 for your inset stove? You could get it installed against brick etc.
http://www.contura.eu/English/Stoves/Inserts/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KDUmgpuERk
There is a chap who installs stoves in the UK and he raves about the I4, it even has an external air supply:). Their customer service is supposed to be top notch too.

I would always say shop around, I remember clearview stoves being competitive here on price. You could ask clearview for dealers here.

Cant help with suppliers because I have only ever bought a stove in the UK. The company was expensive for delivery.

Stove Fan:)

Stove Fan

cordni wrote: »

Hi stoveman, I am hoping you may be able to help me. I am in the process of getting my stove in. so far I have had the fireplace taken out. the walls reskimmed, and blocks layed for the new hearth. tomorrow morning I am getting my tiles laid. I have bought black polished porceline 60x60. I am deciding how they should be laid. I may be wrong but I think I read before that the stove should not sit on top of a single tile, that its better if it sits between tiles. I wonder if you could give your input. For the my preferred layout the stove would sit in the centre of one of the tiles, but obviously I don't want to do this if it is more prone to cracking.

Hi,

Basically get the tiler to tile the hearth so that there are equal cuts on the edges of the hearth/inner opening. Ie symetrical.
eg, place two tiles equally in the centre of the opening and tile outwards either side. Don't start tiling at one side and have the cut on one side only.
They shouldn't crack if fired in a kiln or heat rated.

Stove Fan:)

cordni

Stove Fan wrote: »

Hi,

Basically get the tiler to tile the hearth so that there are equal cuts on the edges of the hearth/inner opening. Ie symetrical.
eg, place two tiles equally in the centre of the opening and tile outwards either side. Don't start tiling at one side and have the cut on one side only.
They shouldn't crack if fired in a kiln or heat rated.

Stove Fan:)

thanks stoveman, so are you saying if I have one single tile in the centre which the stove sits on and then symetrical tiling either side it is ok. Hopefully I am being clear in my description but if the stove sits on the single tile is it not more likely to crack ??

Stove Fan

cordni wrote: »

thanks stoveman, so are you saying if I have one single tile in the centre which the stove sits on and then symetrical tiling either side it is ok. Hopefully I am being clear in my description but if the stove sits on the single tile is it not more likely to crack ??

Sounds fine for the stove to sit on one tile and other tiles either side:D It shouldn't crack if the tiles are suitable for a hearth.
It really depends on what layout the tiles look best at. Get the tiler to show you the different tile laying arrangment options.

If you a worried about the tiles cracking then if the layout works then tile so the stove sits on two tiles and what your happy with:).

Stove Fan:)

cordni

Stove Fan wrote: »

cordni wrote: »

thanks stoveman, so are you saying if I have one single tile in the centre which the stove sits on and then symetrical tiling either side it is ok. Hopefully I am being clear in my description but if the stove sits on the single tile is it not more likely to crack ??

Sounds fine for the stove to sit on one tile and other tiles either side:D It shouldn't crack if the tiles are suitable for a hearth.
It really depends on what layout the tiles look best at. Get the tiler to show you the different tile laying arrangment options.

If you a worried about the tiles cracking then if the layout works then tile so the stove sits on two tiles and what your happy with:).

Stove Fan:)

Thanks stoveman. You've been great help as usual. I will post before and after pics when finished

cordni

cordni wrote: »

Stove Fan wrote: »

cordni wrote: »

thanks stoveman, so are you saying if I have one single tile in the centre which the stove sits on and then symetrical tiling either side it is ok. Hopefully I am being clear in my description but if the stove sits on the single tile is it not more likely to crack ??

Sounds fine for the stove to sit on one tile and other tiles either side:D It shouldn't crack if the tiles are suitable for a hearth.
It really depends on what layout the tiles look best at. Get the tiler to show you the different tile laying arrangment options.

If you a worried about the tiles cracking then if the layout works then tile so the stove sits on two tiles and what your happy with:).

Stove Fan:)

Thanks stoveman. You've been great help as usual. I will post before and after pics when finished

Hi stoveman went for one big tile in centre and it looks great. Closest thing to a granite look without the price. Final stage of project happening on Wednesday when the stove is put in place. Guy says I can't get flue with access for chimney cleaning as opening not high enough. Don't believe this is the case so going to push him on this

Stove Fan

cordni wrote: »

Hi stoveman went for one big tile in centre and it looks great. Closest thing to a granite look without the price. Final stage of project happening on Wednesday when the stove is put in place. Guy says I can't get flue with access for chimney cleaning as opening not high enough. Don't believe this is the case so going to push him on this

Hi:), it will be great to have a stove for this winter:D If the stove can be swept through the stove it should be acceptable. Have a read of the stove manual and see if they say a sweeping hatch is needed or if they mention how to remove the baffle plate for sweeping.

Stove Fan:)

The Bull

Hello Stove Fan and all here.

I am looking for some help from u Stovefan or feedback from people who have stoves fitted in there homes ie price and how efficient they find them. There is a number of different models on the market and without feedback from people that have them in there homes it is hard to judge which is the best set up for our house. We have a open fire in our house and was thinking of fitting a solid fuel stove (Turf) which would provide heat for the house. The following is a list of the rads we have in the house:

Downstairs
Utility 1 x 600 double rad
Hall 2 x 1200 single rads
Bedrooms: 2 x 1600 singles rads
En suite: 1 x 1000 single rad
Bathroom: 1 x Towel rad and 1 x 1000 double rad
Kitchen: 1 x 1400 Double rad
Dining: 1 x 2000 Double rad
Living room 2 x 1400 single rads This is the room the stove is going so these rads will prob not be needed.

Upstairs

Hall Landing 1 x 1200 Double rad
Bedrooms 3 x 1200 double rads
Bathrooms 2 x Towel rads

Ideally we are looking for some help as to what sort of stove would be suitable for our setup. I know there are stoves that can go up to 25 to 30 KW but some of these seem very big. I would like a nice stove that doesn't take a truckload of turf/coal each evening to heat the downstairs at least. We are currently not using the upstairs area so we could get away with a lower output stove. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance

Stove Fan

The Bull wrote: »

Hello Stove Fan and all here.

I am looking for some help from u Stovefan or feedback from people who have stoves fitted in there homes ie price and how efficient they find them. There is a number of different models on the market and without feedback from people that have them in there homes it is hard to judge which is the best set up for our house. We have a open fire in our house and was thinking of fitting a solid fuel stove (Turf) which would provide heat for the house. The following is a list of the rads we have in the house:

Downstairs
Utility 1 x 600 double rad
Hall 2 x 1200 single rads
Bedrooms: 2 x 1600 singles rads
En suite: 1 x 1000 single rad
Bathroom: 1 x Towel rad and 1 x 1000 double rad
Kitchen: 1 x 1400 Double rad
Dining: 1 x 2000 Double rad
Living room 2 x 1400 single rads This is the room the stove is going so these rads will prob not be needed.

Upstairs

Hall Landing 1 x 1200 Double rad
Bedrooms 3 x 1200 double rads
Bathrooms 2 x Towel rads

Ideally we are looking for some help as to what sort of stove would be suitable for our setup. I know there are stoves that can go up to 25 to 30 KW but some of these seem very big. I would like a nice stove that doesn't take a truckload of turf/coal each evening to heat the downstairs at least. We are currently not using the upstairs area so we could get away with a lower output stove. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance

Hi, based on your 15 rads if I have that right plus towel rads, your looking for a stove with a 22kw boiler to heat upstairs and downstairs and to heat the hot water.

If you just heat the downstairs rads you need a stove with a rated boiler output of 12-13kw to include 2-3kw for domestic hot water.

The upstairs zone if I'm right comprises 4 rads and two towel rads?

If this is the case the upstairs rad output etc is 9kw.

I take it your living room isn't huge as it is heated by the two rads of around 3kw.

You will really struggle to find a stove with a low heat output to the room and high boiler output.

What is the room size where the stove is going and any doors leading off to other rooms? What is insulation like and age of house?

Stove Fan:)

cavan4sam

hi stovefan
thanks for all your information i'm putting in a stove at the minute and i'm torn between blacksmith forge and stanley erin , what other stoves would you reccomend similar size and money , also i'm lookin to source some slate for my hearth approx 54x24 and some ideas how to fit it ,
thanks in advance

Stove Fan

cavan4sam wrote: »

hi stovefan
thanks for all your information i'm putting in a stove at the minute and i'm torn between blacksmith forge and stanley erin , what other stoves would you reccomend similar size and money , also i'm lookin to source some slate for my hearth approx 54x24 and some ideas how to fit it ,
thanks in advance

Hi, to be honest out of the two it would be stanley.

Are these boiler or non boiler stoves? If so how many rads/ What is your room size where the stove is going and insulation levels? Do you have double doors to other rooms?
How much are these stoves?
No idea on the slate:( I used brick in ours:)

Stove Fan:)

cavan4sam

i have 18 rads but i'm only heating 10 with it as i've them zoned , its a well insulated timber frame house 4 yrs old ,room is 4.5 x 4.5 2.4m ceilings , double doors to another room 4.5x8
i think the blacksmith is 1450 and the stanley is 1600
also toying with idea of triple coil cylinder for future solar

Stove Fan

cavan4sam wrote: »

i have 18 rads but i'm only heating 10 with it as i've them zoned , its a well insulated timber frame house 4 yrs old ,room is 4.5 x 4.5 2.4m ceilings , double doors to another room 4.5x8
i think the blacksmith is 1450 and the stanley is 1600
also toying with idea of triple coil cylinder for future solar

It really depends on the size of the rads and if doubles or singles but your smaller room needs about 3.5kw and the larger room around 6kw.

Myself I would go for a boiler stove with no more than 6kw room heat.
You should though calculate the radiator outputs as the stoves boiler mentioned may be too small.
http://www.traderadiators.com/acatalog/Compact_Radiators.html

Something like this.
http://www.stratfordboilerstoves.co.uk/models/freestanding-stoves/eb12-he.html

The forge produces 6kw to room:) and 15kw to water.
http://www.blacksmithstoves.ie/product-forge.html


The erin produces 6kw to room 13.2kw to water.
http://www.waterfordstanley.com/stanley-stoves/room-heat-central-heating/solid-fuel/erin-stove.aspx

They are both very evenly matched. Just make sure the boiler is large enough to heat all 10 rads.

Stove Fan:)

The Bull

Stove Fan wrote: »

Hi, based on your 15 rads if I have that right plus towel rads, your looking for a stove with a 22kw boiler to heat upstairs and downstairs and to heat the hot water.

If you just heat the downstairs rads you need a stove with a rated boiler output of 12-13kw to include 2-3kw for domestic hot water.

The upstairs zone if I'm right comprises 4 rads and two towel rads?

If this is the case the upstairs rad output etc is 9kw.

I take it your living room isn't huge as it is heated by the two rads of around 3kw.

You will really struggle to find a stove with a low heat output to the room and high boiler output.

What is the room size where the stove is going and any doors leading off to other rooms? What is insulation like and age of house?

Stove Fan:)

Hi Stove fan the house is insulated ok and is about 4 years old. The Living room will have the stove and is 5.1m x 4.8m and has a door off the hall and another door off to the Dining area which is open plan along with the kitchen.

I have looked at two options at the min. One is the

Stratford EB16HE which has 13 kw to water and 2.5-8kw to room.Cost 1775

the other is

Olymberyl Aidan Boiler Stove 18kw i seen for sale on Done deal. http://www.donedeal.ie/for-sale/heating/3557169

What would your opinion be on the Aidan 18kw ? and have u come across it before. The price range is alot better at 1100 euro compared to the stratford?

Also whats ur thoughts on the Stratford 16kw or maybe you could recommend other options?

cavan4sam

thanks stove fan i've a price for stanley erin in enamel for 1590 so leaning towards it , would love to be able to switch between upstairs and downstairs as with oil but plumber says its not possible as its a pressurized system and i dont know enough about it , but the stanley erin will heat upstairs no problem

Stove Fan

cavan4sam wrote: »

thanks stove fan i've a price for stanley erin in enamel for 1590 so leaning towards it , would love to be able to switch between upstairs and downstairs as with oil but plumber says its not possible as its a pressurized system and i dont know enough about it , but the stanley erin will heat upstairs no problem

Hi, I didn't know it's a pressurised system:eek:. This makes a huge difference to installing a boiler stove safely into the heating system. Solid fuel stoves can potentially explode due to water expanding and turning to super heated steam especially when installed to a sealed system where the massive expansion has nowhere to go. This is why standard solid fuel boiler manufacturers insist on open vented for safety as any steam/ pressure in the system is released through the feed and expansion tank. This tank allows any water lost to feed cold water to the boiler and cools the system down.

In the installation manual it says on page 10 under plumbing it must be installed to an open vent system ie open to atmosphere not sealed/pressurised system.
http://www.waterfordstanley.com/media/200832/erinboilermanual.pdf
I would phone stanleys technical number and see if what the plumber is planning to do is safe. If they say it's ok then fine, but personally most manufacturers insist on being an open vent system with cold feed and vent tank in the loft.
If you want to install a stove the only options are an open vented thermal store. This may well involve expensive replumbing. Or buy a stove that is suitable to install into pressurised systems. These have a secondary coil inside the boiler which flows cold water through to cool the boiling water in the boiler.
Something like this.
http://www.stovesonline.co.uk/wood_burning_stoves/Woodfire-F12-boiler-stove.html
http://www.broseleyfires.com/Link-Up-Systems.html
http://www.stovesonline.co.uk/wood_burning_stoves/Woodfire-12i-boiler-stove.html

When installing a boiler stove it must be failsafe even in an overheat situation and open vented unless designed for pressurised systems.
I personally would get other plumbers in too look. You may be able to convert your existing oil boiler to open vented. Again phoning the manufacturers technical line may provide the answer.
Personally though the easiest and cheapest/ safest option is to install a non boiler stove:)

Stove Fan:)

cavan4sam

thanks again , i'm not sure what would be involved in changing it to an unpressurised system , its a condensing oil burner i have as oil source, i'll get another plumber to have a look ,