Tonight With Vincent Browne Thread v2.0

Technocentral

Harry Angstrom wrote: »

Mary Lou seems to forget that Hamas are the equivalent of the IRA bastards that caused havoc on this island for 30 years. Birds of a feather and all that.

Your right, why don't people lie down and get murdered in silence by countries that invade them and take their land, I can never understand that.

Harry Angstrom

Our man in Havana wrote: »

Oh Lord! Susan Phillips is hardly impartial.

Neither is Vinnie, in all fairness, considering he took a cheap shot at Judaism there.

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Nice slip of the words by Vinny on FG/SF - they are united in their opposition to abortion.

Technocentral

Harry Angstrom wrote: »

Neither is Vinnie, in all fairness, considering he took a cheap shot at Judaism there.

Nothing got to do with religion he's critising the stealing of land and murder by the Israeli state.

Harry Angstrom

Technocentral wrote: »

Your right, why don't people lie down and get murdered in silence by countries that invade them and take their land, I can never understand that.

Yes, and why don't the Israelis just lie down and take those rocket attacks from Hamas? :rolleyes:

Hamas know full well that if they send one rocket into Israel, the Israelis will respond tenfold. It's pretty obvious that Hamas are fomenting anti-Israeli sentiment. In fact, the cynic in me might think that Hamas are doing this deliberately so that the Israelis will retaliate by killing innocent Palestinians who are caught in the crossfire.

Why do so many Irish people look upon the Middle East situation in black and white terms, ie Israel=Monsters, Palestine/Hamas=Saints?

It's a hell of a lot more complex than that simplistic nonsense.

BaZmO*

Harry Angstrom wrote: »

Why do so many Irish people look upon the Middle East situation in black and white terms, ie Israel=Monsters, Palestine/Hamas=Saints?

It's a hell of a lot more complex than that simplistic nonsense.

They're as bad as each other in fairness. What most people have a problem with is Israel's disproportionate and indiscriminate response.

Technocentral

Harry Angstrom wrote: »

Yes, and why don't the Israelis just lie down and take those rocket attacks from Hamas? :rolleyes:

Hamas know full well that if they send one rocket into Israel, the Israelis will respond tenfold. It's pretty obvious that Hamas are fomenting anti-Israeli sentiment. In fact, the cynic in me might think that Hamas are doing this deliberately so that the Israelis will retaliate by killing innocent Palestinians who are caught in the crossfire.

Why do so many Irish people look upon the Middle East situation in black and white terms, ie Israel=Monsters, Palestine/Hamas=Saints?

It's a hell of a lot more complex than that simplistic nonsense.

True but if Israel gave back the Palestinians land and stopping treating Gaza like a refugee camp it would help, I equally despise Hamas but even if they were wiped out the Palestinians will always rightly fight for their freedom.

RayM

Harry Angstrom wrote: »

Why do so many Irish people look upon the Middle East situation in black and white terms, ie Israel=Monsters, Palestine/Hamas=Saints?

I've yet to see encounter any Irish people who look upon Hamas as being "saints".

Seems to be quite a few (usually very right-wing) Irish people who consistently refuse to criticise Israel though...

Technocentral

RayM wrote: »

I've yet to see encounter any Irish people who look upon Hamas as being "saints".

Seems to be quite a few (usually very right-wing) Irish people who consistently refuse to criticise Israel though...

Israel should withdraw to pre 1967 borders and then if Islamic extremists like Hamas continue to attack them I'd support them wiping Hamas out. Its all just a matter of fair play.

Harry Angstrom

RayM wrote: »

I've yet to see encounter any Irish people who look upon Hamas as being "saints".

Seems to be quite a few (usually very right-wing) Irish people who consistently refuse to criticise Israel though...

I'm far from right wing, my friend.

Answer me this? How come I've yet to see ANYBODY in the Irish media criticise Hamas? After all, they do govern the Gaza Strip, elected by the majority of Palestinians. People are very quick to bandy about "State sponsored terrorism" when it comes to Israel but strangely enough, not when it comes to the Palestinians :rolleyes:

As I said already, Hamas know full well that if they strike Israel, the Israelis will strike back tenfold. Think about it.

Technocentral

Harry Angstrom wrote: »

I'm far from right wing, my friend.

Answer me this? How come I've yet to see ANYBODY in the Irish media criticise Hamas? After all, they do govern the Gaza Strip, elected by the majority of Palestinians. People are very quick to bandy about "State sponsored terrorism" when it comes to Israel but strangely enough, not when it comes to the Palestinians :rolleyes:

As I said already, Hamas know full well that if they strike Israel, the Israelis will strike back tenfold. Think about it.

You don't mind Israel ignoring more resolutions from the UN to withdraw from peoples land than any other Country ever then?

BaZmO*

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/comment/robert-fisk-opening-the-gates-of-hell-and-40-years-of-other-middle-east-cliches-3297149.html

He's not getting into the rights and wrong of this ongoing war, he's pointing out the hypocrisy.

RayM

Harry Angstrom wrote: »

I'm far from right wing, my friend.

Answer me this? How come I've yet to see ANYBODY in the Irish media criticise Hamas? After all, they do govern the Gaza Strip, elected by the majority of Palestinians. People are very quick to bandy about "State sponsored terrorism" when it comes to Israel but strangely enough, not when it comes to the Palestinians :rolleyes:

As I said already, Hamas know full well that if they strike Israel, the Israelis will strike back tenfold. Think about it.

Saturday's Irish Times editorial criticised Hamas. You'll certainly struggle to find anybody in the Irish media defending them. Israel, on the other hand...

COYW

Technocentral wrote: »

The days of religious people projecting their morals on other people in this country are over, if you don't want abortion even if it leads to your death that's your choice but no.more imposing those views on everyone else

I agree with you and I think that most people, particularly those of us who are young adults, would not let the church have any influence on our vote, if an abortion referendum was held tomorrow.

The motion brought forward by SF was utterly nonsensical. Nothing more than some grade 'A' tabloid politicking to get some media time for the party.

Technocentral wrote: »

Your right, why don't people lie down and get murdered in silence by countries that invade them and take their land, I can never understand that.

Hamas knew exactly what they were doing. They have been firing rockets into Israel for months now and Israel got sick of it. Once Israel started their action, Palestine and its supporters started looking to the rest of the world for sympathy.

Not surprised that Mary Lou supports Palestine at all. She probably thinks that Israel should stand back and let Hamas fire rockets all day long. I think that Israel should halt its action too and let neutral observers in to monitor activity in the region. I hope I am wrong but I think a significant war will erupt in that region soon.

Our man in Havana

Great line from Ming.

Archbishop McQauids crozier is around Enda Kenny's neck!

Fair play to ya Ming!

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Ming is always worth watching on this show.

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There's no right winger on tonight - meaning less entertainment.

I wouldn't be surprised if James Reily steps down over this.

Skid

Our man in Havana wrote: »

Great line from Ming.


Fair play to ya Ming!

I think it was a cheap, attention seeking soundbite.

I don't think Enda Kenny is bethrothed to anyone in the Catholic Church.

His actions are a combination of political cowardice and poor judgement, nothing to do with religion.

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Skid wrote: »

I think it was a cheap, attention seeking soundbite.

I don't think Enda Kenny is bethrothed to anyone in the Catholic Church.

His actions are a combination of political cowardice and poor judgement, nothing to do with religion.

Maybe Enda will come on the show and refute that allegation so

grey_so_what

Skid wrote: »

I think it was a cheap, attention seeking soundbite.

I don't think Enda Kenny is bethrothed to anyone in the Catholic Church.

His actions are a combination of political cowardice and poor judgement, nothing to do with religion.

Enda is in hiding.

The only time I see him is climbing C/Patrick.......:mad:

M cebee

Skid wrote: »

I think it was a cheap, attention seeking soundbite.

I don't think Enda Kenny is bethrothed to anyone in the Catholic Church.

His actions are a combination of political cowardice and poor judgement, nothing to do with religion.

jeez it was brutal appealing to the husband like that

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Skid wrote: »

I think it was a cheap, attention seeking soundbite.

I don't think Enda Kenny is bethrothed to anyone in the Catholic Church.

His actions are a combination of political cowardice and poor judgement, nothing to do with religion.

Surely his religious beliefs forms the basis of his political cowardice and poor judgement i.e. that he is anti-choice.

Our man in Havana

The church still exerts plenty of control over government in this country.

Skid

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Surely his religious beliefs forms the basis of his political cowardice and poor judgement i.e. that he is anti-choice.

It is more complicated than that. Pro-Life views extend far beyond members of the Catholic Church. And many agnostics and atheists would class themselves as anti-choice.

And to be fair to Enda Kenny, he has spoken out against the Catholic Church in the past.

grey_so_what

Skid wrote: »

It is more complicated than that. Pro-Life views extend far beyond members of the Catholic Church. And many agnostics and atheists would class themselves as anti-choice.

And to be fair to Enda Kenny, he has spoken out against the Catholic Church in the past.

This is the grey area the politicians (all parties) are afraid to face up to.

I don't see any massive change in the near future.

Unfortunately.

Callan57

Skid wrote: »

It is more complicated than that. Pro-Life views extend far beyond members of the Catholic Church. And many agnostics and atheists would class themselves as anti-choice.

And to be fair to Enda Kenny, he has spoken out against the Catholic Church in the past.

It's the insidious indoctrination that is at the root of the problem.
Anyone hear Olivia O'Leary on Drivetime on Tuesday evening?

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Skid wrote: »

It is more complicated than that. Pro-Life views extend far beyond members of the Catholic Church. And many agnostics and atheists would class themselves as anti-choice.

And to be fair to Enda Kenny, he has spoken out against the Catholic Church in the past.

But his views on this probably come from his Catholic beliefs. So his own judgement on this is being influenced by his religion.

Whilst he criticised the Catholic Church, he pointed out that he was speaking "as a Catholic" when he made that speech.

I wouldn't underestimate the influence of Catholicism in many of our TDs, particularly those in FG.

Bodhran

Our man in Havana wrote: »

The church still exerts plenty of control over government in this country.

For example...?

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Bodhran wrote: »

For example...?

Abortion laws, the education system, hospitals, a prayer said in the Dail etc.

Our man in Havana

Bodhran wrote: »

For example...?

Our bull**** divorce rules.