Green Bay Packers Thread

OldMrBrennan83

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Patww79 wrote: »

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would it though? a new area settles a lot of people. I'd rather us get him than the pats

Billy86

Only on a one year 'prove it' deal which could work well while the rookies get used to things, but even as is we are really overcrowded at WR with some very difficult cuts to make (so much so I wouldn't be shocked to see us move someone like 6'6 Michael Brown to TE). We have too much money at WR as is and if it involves and painful cuts in other positions I would leave it, as I would if it were a choice between say Dez or getting help at OLB from someone like Elvis Dumervil.

So I'd take it... but only if it's a one year, cheap 'prove it' deal that doesn't weaken any other positions. Attitude I can get past, having a reputation for an absolutely terrible attitude is the only reason we ever got Charles Woodson, he himself said GB was the very last team and place in the entire league he wanted to go at the time but had no other offers despite being a 29 year old three time all pro with no notable injury history.

Blut2

If his ego was kept in check him + Graham would be great options for Rodgers to throw to. Is there enough cap space for him though?

OldMrBrennan83

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cheap prove it deal makes sense as many aint rushing for him

Billy86

Patww79 wrote: »

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I'm happy enough with Graham over Nelson because a) it gives us someone deep over the middle which is huge (esp since the last time bar Cooks we had someone like that was Finlay, also with Philbin as OC), and b) I think we can expect Graham to be a bit more like he was in NO than in Seattle as due to the systems.

I was as big a Jordy Nelson fanboy as there was but he did appear to be beyond his best and does turn 33 in a fortnight. I think he could still do well in a slot type of role, but his days of getting a thousand yards at 13+ per catch are probably done. It will hurt this year but I don't feel so down on if we can develop some of that young talent at WR (all deep ball types), and also because of the potential of our RBs to help offset.

ScummyMan

No thank you. Dez doesn't solve any problems for us, we still need speed to stretch the field on the opposite side to Adams, and Dez isn't providing that.

You could argue that his monster ego causes more problems than he solves.

Billy86

Marcedes Lewis (TE) signed - one of the better blocking TEs in the league and should be able to contribute 30-40 catches as well. He turned 34 last week so it's likely just a one year deal but sounds good to me. With all the physical freaks at WR who knows, it might allow us to convert one of those 6'5 guys to TE with them only needing to take a few snaps here and there this year rather than getting thrown right in at #2. Should help the run game too, we seem to be building for a more balanced offense this year.

Brendan Bendar

Michael Clark 6’ 6’ wide receiver retired.

I had great hopes for that guy.

nasty_crash

Jake Ryan with serious looking knee injury - looks like draft pickup burks could be playing earlier than thought!

Billy86

And Kentrell Bryce too, who was getting the starting snaps at SS apparently (though wasn't really expected to keep it, he is a quality backup), which means if Burks is further off it stops us popping Josh Jones back into the ILB role short term. I've heard a bit of talk of trying Fackrell out there since he's actually done OK in coverage but is otherwise a pretty terrible OLB when it comes to anything even vaguely pass rush related.

nasty_crash

Ryan confirmed acl - out for season! Pity cos he did come on last year with martinez beside him

ScummyMan

Sucks for him in a contract year.

That being said, and not to sound cold, he was probably the most replaceable starter we had. He was decent against the run but a liability against the pass. I'd like to see us kick the tyres on someone like Bowman, for experience alone.

nasty_crash

would certainly be an aggressive move for packers to make if they did go for bowman and do feel that he would be an upgrade at the position.... id like to see it but time will tell!

Jofspring

Khalil Mack.......

Some bookies in America have made Packers favourites to get Mack if he doesn't stay with the Raiders. Having two first round picks next season gives the Packers some decent bargaining if they do go into talks. Would be a serious signing for the Packers.

Blut2

Hes not just favourite to go to the Packers if he doesn't stay with the Raiders with the bookies - hes now favourite to be playing for the Packers over any other team, including the Raiders, next season (!):

Team Khalil Mack will be on by the end of the October:

Packers +300
Raiders +400
Jets +700
Bills +700
Redskins +700
Steelers +1000
Giants +1000
Any other +400

Theres lots of talk over on reddit about Perry and one of the 1st rounders going to Oakland in return for Mack to the Packers. Obviously all rumours at this stage but it'd be a great way to improve the defense now, while Rodgers is still performing at his peak.

OldMrBrennan83

Would be serious money given what he's looking for.

digzy

What’s the ‘personal issues’ Cole Madison is dealing with?

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Patww79 wrote: »

Would be serious money given what he's looking for.

Doesn't matter. If you are serious about a short you need a top free agent signing or two.and let's be honest clay Matthews is a name these days not a presence

OldMrBrennan83

I'd go with that if it was a roster with one glaring need as the missing piece. Hopefully training camp unearths some things but it doesn't look like a roster missing one piece carrying over from last year.

nasty_crash

yeah but bringing in Mack improves the defense across the board....

He will take double teams that will free up daniels clarke and mo to dominate inside... In turn giving the qb less time - and will strengthen our secondary as a result.

He is going to look for about 17 mill a year - currently we have about 7 million in cap space this year. If we defer some of the wages until next year - Matthews 11.5 mill against the cap wont be there next year and he will surely get a restructured deal if he is resigned not getting near 11.5 mill

Brendan Bendar

Hundley traded to Seattle in a gum chewing contest with Carroll

In exchange for a 6th round pick.

I’d go with that. Kizer now the back up, with Boyle as third string.

Yep.... sounds good.

ScummyMan

Daylight robbery to get anything for him

OldMrBrennan83

ScummyMan wrote: »

Daylight robbery to get anything for him

Kizer though. That's poor at backup.

ScummyMan

Patww79 wrote: »

Kizer though. That's poor at backup.

Meh, I think if Rodgers goes down we're screwed anyway. I think Kizer has much higher upside, at this stage we know what Hundley is.

Blut2

ScummyMan wrote: »

Meh, I think if Rodgers goes down we're screwed anyway. I think Kizer has much higher upside, at this stage we know what Hundley is.

+1. Kizer was a 21 year old rookie thrown into the Brown's dysfunctional system last year. I don't think we can read too much into his season.

Give him 2 or 3 years at back-up maturing physically and mentally, and learning from Rodgers, and we could see an entirely different player emerge.

Billy86

I'm torn on Kizer. He looked awful last year but he was a 21 year old rookie in probably the worst team in nfl history. This year though I don't think he is at all ready... Maybe in 2 or 3 he might be better.

I would have preferred a hoyer type experienced journeyman at backup but woukd easily take Kizer over Hundley who looked just as poor if not worse in a much better team in his 4th year in the league. He doesn't really belong in the NFL and a 6th is a steal for him. So Kizer and a 6th for Hundley and a 4th is definitely good business.

Anyone else hope to hear Mack traded for when they clicked the thread?

OldMrBrennan83

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Meh, I think if Rodgers goes down we're screwed anyway. I think Kizer has much higher upside, at this stage we know what Hundley is.

Well that's true. As horrendous as Kizer is, there's nobody available that makes this team win in place of Rodgers. Might as well go with the young lad, we already know Hundley will never have it.

OldMrBrennan83

Word appearing that Rodgers is extended now too.

4 years, $134m, with over $100m guaranteed money.



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