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    #392
    Yesterday37
    Registered Users Posts: 25 ✭Yesterday37


    Layne Numerous Gun wrote: »
    Seen this is a chipper in Athlone. Wonder would some people from the states find this offensive here?

    Why would you worry whether somebody from the states finding it offensive. If you go to the American south its flown all over the place. I think its naff given its history. But we're all grown ups and adults and we should expect to see things in life that chagrin us.


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    #393
    Foxtrol
    Registered Users Posts: 11,101 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    pickarooney wrote: »
    Foxtrol wrote: »
    Civil Wars are divisive but much more so are ones where one side wanted to continue to enslave one race of people within the country.

    I think it is also a bad comparison due to the high volume of them in the US. There are over 700 confederate monuments in the US which means ancestors of people they wanted to keep enslaved have to see them in their parks, on the way to work or school. They are even put up in cities that didn't even exist when the civil war happened.

    You're not going to suggest that Cromwell didn't want to keep a large portion of (then) Britain enslaved, or worse, and that there are no Irish people passing in front of his statue to this day? There are statues of all manner of racists and imperialists dotted around Britain. How long until they're torn down?

    Which race in Britain did he try to enslave? Did these monuments start appearing more often during periods where that race was fighting for rights?


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    #394
    Foxtrol
    Registered Users Posts: 11,101 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    Yesterday37 wrote: »
    Layne Numerous Gun wrote: »
    Seen this is a chipper in Athlone. Wonder would some people from the states find this offensive here?

    Why would you worry whether somebody from the states finding it offensive. If you go to the American south its flown all over the place. I think its naff given its history. But we're all grown ups and adults and we should expect to see things in life that chagrin us.

    100% but as a grown up you deal with the consequences. If you do choose to fly it you accept that people equally have the right to potentially associate you with neo-nazi/white supremacists or that you're just displaying incredible levels of pig headed ignorance


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    #395
    Water John
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    Not advocating violence. But the drunk American guy who decided to give the Nazi salute in Germany the other day, got a bloody nose for his trouble.


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    #396
    Yesterday37
    Registered Users Posts: 25 ✭Yesterday37


    Foxtrol wrote: »
    100% but as a grown up you deal with the consequences. If you do choose to fly it you accept that people equally have the right to potentially associate you with neo-nazi/white supremacists or that you're just displaying incredible levels of pig headed ignorance

    Look I would never fly it. I would have no prob if the GAA banning it on its grounds. But I found the preface of the OP that people who don't even live here might be offended a bit strange.


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    #397
    Gravelly
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    Water John wrote: »
    Not advocating violence. But the drunk American guy who decided to give the Nazi salute in Germany the other day, got a bloody nose for his trouble.

    Are you trying to insinuate you are going to give a few Cork fans a hiding ya big strong keyboard warrior ya? :rolleyes:

    If you do, will you please give me a shout, I'd give anything to see that.


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    #398
    pickarooney
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    Foxtrol wrote: »
    Which race in Britain did he try to enslave? Did these monuments start appearing more often during periods where that race was fighting for rights?

    The Irish. I don't know when that particular statue was erected.


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    #399
    Foxtrol
    Registered Users Posts: 11,101 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    pickarooney wrote: »
    Foxtrol wrote: »
    Which race in Britain did he try to enslave? Did these monuments start appearing more often during periods where that race was fighting for rights?

    The Irish. I don't know when that particular statue was erected.

    So there there are over 700 Cromwell monuments in Ireland? Must have missed them.

    Yes it is a monument to a divisive figure but it is a bad comparison to make with confederate monuments


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    #400
    pickarooney
    Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 35,264 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    Foxtrol wrote: »
    So there there are over 700 Cromwell monuments in Ireland? Must have missed them.

    Yes it is a monument to a divisive figure but it is a bad comparison to make with confederate monuments

    You know I didn't say anything about 700 monuments to Cromwell anywhere, so why pretend that I did just to dismiss it? That's a pretty foolish thing to do IMO.


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    #401
    Foxtrol
    Registered Users Posts: 11,101 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    pickarooney wrote: »
    Foxtrol wrote: »
    So there there are over 700 Cromwell monuments in Ireland? Must have missed them.

    Yes it is a monument to a divisive figure but it is a bad comparison to make with confederate monuments

    You know I didn't say anything about 700 monuments to Cromwell anywhere, so why pretend that I did just to dismiss it? That's a pretty foolish thing to do IMO.

    From you debating the side that Cromwell was as divisive as the confederate men that are celebrated in monuments I presumed you were also saying you agreed with the comparison of the two sets.

    If you're just talking about divisiveness I can see it being debateable but if you are trying to equate that pic that was added to the thread in overall terms then it's a poor attempt


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    #402
    A Little Pony
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,875 ✭✭✭A Little Pony


    150 years and still the fascination of that war lingers on.


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    #403
    jimgoose
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    We're going to pull down the statue of Chah and Miah outside the County Hall on the Carrigrohane road by way of atonement.


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    #404
    Atoms for Peace
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    Just saw a story on Reddit where one of the protestors (white supremacist) in Charlottesville was wearing a Johny cash t-shirt to the embarrassment of the Cash family who were compelled to issue a statement on the matter.

    What next will country music be disparaged due to it being an overwhelmingly white genre, although it might not be such a bad idea if it means wagon wheel is banned.


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    #405
    nlrkjos
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    My son fly's the confederate flag at matches because its just another bit of colour in a sea of colour, if fact he's getting a bigger one now since all this "ban the flag" stuff cropped up. What beats the crap out of me is that two tools from Limerick who wear shopping bags over their heads started off a lot of this round of bull. It's a flag flown at Cork matches for years, nobody gives any credence to the racist connotations, its just some colour....and we always bring a bit of colour to games.


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    #406
    OldMrBrennan83
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    #407
    Water John
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    Well, I think, The Paper, called it right, in their editorial today.
    Time to move on. We have a special name in Cork for those that don't.


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    #408
    kylith
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    nlrkjos wrote: »
    My son fly's the confederate flag at matches because its just another bit of colour in a sea of colour, if fact he's getting a bigger one now since all this "ban the flag" stuff cropped up. What beats the crap out of me is that two tools from Limerick who wear shopping bags over their heads started off a lot of this round of bull. It's a flag flown at Cork matches for years, nobody gives any credence to the racist connotations, its just some colour....and we always bring a bit of colour to games.

    Great. If some lads from Sligo show up with an Isis flag they can have a good laugh about how edgy they are.


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    #409
    Foxtrol
    Registered Users Posts: 11,101 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    nlrkjos wrote: »
    My son fly's the confederate flag at matches because its just another bit of colour in a sea of colour, if fact he's getting a bigger one now since all this "ban the flag" stuff cropped up. What beats the crap out of me is that two tools from Limerick who wear shopping bags over their heads started off a lot of this round of bull. It's a flag flown at Cork matches for years, nobody gives any credence to the racist connotations, its just some colour....and we always bring a bit of colour to games.

    Is this your son??

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=go5vxx20uQc


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    #410
    Atoms for Peace
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,888 ✭✭✭Atoms for Peace


    Foxtrol wrote: »
    Which race in Britain did he try to enslave? Did these monuments start appearing more often during periods where that race was fighting for rights?

    He enslaved the Irish.


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    #411
    Grayson
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    Atoms for Peace wrote: »
    What next will country music be disparaged due to it being an overwhelmingly white genre, although it might not be such a bad idea if it means wagon wheel is banned.

    That's it, bring Garth Brooks into this. That's all we need.


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    #412
    Foxtrol
    Registered Users Posts: 11,101 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    Atoms for Peace wrote: »
    Foxtrol wrote: »
    Which race in Britain did he try to enslave? Did these monuments start appearing more often during periods where that race was fighting for rights?

    He enslaved the Irish.

    Which is why the comparison of him to confederate monuments is terrible. You'd need over 700 memorials of Cromwell in Ireland for it to make any sense.


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    #413
    nlrkjos
    Registered Users Posts: 378 ✭✭nlrkjos


    Water John wrote: »
    Well, I think, The Paper, called it right, in their editorial today.
    Time to move on. We have a special name in Cork for those that don't.

    and a special name for PC moralisers too Langers of the highest order !;)


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    #414
    lazybones32
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,647 ✭✭✭lazybones32


    My old man saw a black man in Toulouse wearing a confederate bandana. He chuckled to himself.


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    #415
    pickarooney
    Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 35,264 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    Foxtrol wrote: »
    Which is why the comparison of him to confederate monuments is terrible. You'd need over 700 memorials of Cromwell in Ireland for it to make any sense.

    What is this number you keep bandying about as though it was an argument in itself?


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    #416
    Foxtrol
    Registered Users Posts: 11,101 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    pickarooney wrote: »
    Foxtrol wrote: »
    Which is why the comparison of him to confederate monuments is terrible. You'd need over 700 memorials of Cromwell in Ireland for it to make any sense.

    What is this number you keep bandying about as though it was an argument in itself?

    The low end of the estimate of confederate monuments. It ranges anywhere up to 1,500.

    I'm using it to show how the 'look there's one Cromwell statue somewhere and it doesn't annoy me' is a stupid comparison to attempt to make


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    #417
    A Battered Mars Bar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 419 ✭✭A Battered Mars Bar


    I actually think Cork people are just genuinely thick. From driving around parts of Cork county you'd always see confederate flags amast outside houses and in cars.

    They must think it's a symbol of being a rebel or unique but at the end of the day I find most Cork people to be special little snowflakes with an inferiority complex mixed with chip on shoulder.


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    #418
    Water John
    Registered Users Posts: 21,226 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Thanks.


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    #419
    ShamoBuc
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    A Battered Mars Bar wrote: »
    I actually think Cork people are just genuinely thick. From driving around parts of Cork county you'd always see confederate flags amast outside houses and in cars.

    They must think it's a symbol of being a rebel or unique but at the end of the day I find most Cork people to be special little snowflakes with an inferiority complex mixed with chip on shoulder.


    :pac::pac::pac:


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    #420
    Ninthlife
    Registered Users Posts: 2,258 ✭✭✭Ninthlife


    Does this mean the Dukes of Hazzard will never be shown on tv again :(


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    #421
    Gravelly
    Registered Users Posts: 4,119 ✭✭✭Gravelly


    Ninthlife wrote: »
    Does this mean the Dukes of Hazzard will never be shown on tv again :(

    Not a hope, shure t'would be the very same as reopening Bergen Belsen to show a rerun of it. Didn't it turn the whole country into nazis the last time it was shown, in fact it probably caused WW2.


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