Orange Order

CommuterIE

How should the Republic react to the intimidation shown to Nationalists by their pathetic 'uhhh lets march through Nationalist areas to provoke them' mentality... sickening! Scumbags have no reason to walk these routes but to symbolize repression

RMD

It's not so much oppression, Catholics aren't exactly "oppressed" in the North anymore. I'd see it as a more "we can do it so we will, it's our right". Incredibly childish bollox if I say so myself.

luckyfrank

BAN all marchs the whole lot is a load of bollox, nationalist unionist the whole lot

Marching season my arse !!

CommuterIE

RMD wrote: »

It's not so much oppression, Catholics aren't exactly "oppressed" in the North anymore. I'd see it as a more "we can do it so we will, it's our right". Incredibly childish bollox if I say so myself.

They have absolutely no right to march through a Nationalist area with their flutes or flags... what happened tonight is a direct result of the Orange Order being absolute idiotic dickheads

Cathal O

I dont think its the problem of the every day unionist, its the Orange order itself i have a problem with. Its archaic views on modern society are laughable and childish, to such an extent it does not recognise its own partys government body - the parades commission.

The view is that - we have been here for so long, nooone can stop us.
One word - childish

sollar

Without marching and king billy they have no culture to speak of, it revolves around a battle that took place in 1690 and in a place that is now part of a foreign country to them.. the boyne.

KeithAFC

CommuterIE wrote: »

They have absolutely no right to march through a Nationalist area with their flutes or flags... what happened tonight is a direct result of the Orange Order being absolute idiotic dickheads

They didn't march through a nationalist area.

Cathal O

KeithAFC wrote: »

They didn't march through a nationalist area.

Can i ask you keith, why do the OO not recognise the parades commission?

CommuterIE

Cathal O wrote: »

Can i ask you keith, why do the OO not recognise the parades commission?

Oh god, I thought he was banned

KeithAFC

Cathal O wrote: »

Can i ask you keith, why do the OO not recognise the parades commission?

I don't know. I ain't in the Orange Order. Just giving out the facts that they don't march through Ardoyne.

Cathal O

KeithAFC wrote: »

I don't know. I ain't in the Orange Order. Just giving out the facts that they don't march through Ardoyne.

Well as you are very vocal part of the orange/ loyalist community on this site i would have expected you to know one of the main policys of such an organisiation. Apologies

KeithAFC

Cathal O wrote: »

Well as you are very vocal part of the orange/ loyalist community on this site i would have expected you to know one of the main policys of such an organisiation. Apologies

I would need to be in the Orange Order to know exactly the problems with the parade commission they have. They obviously have a problem with it. A number of people in the political set up do aswell. So it isn't just the Orange Order.

Cathal O

KeithAFC wrote: »

I would need to be in the Orange Order to know exactly the problems with the parade commission they have. They obviously have a problem with it. A number of people in the political set up do aswell. So it isn't just the Orange Order.

Name a popular party/ organisation that specifically stated that it does not RECOGNISE it, not merely have problems with it.
NAME ONE

KeithAFC

Cathal O wrote: »

Name a popular party/ organisation that specifically stated that it does not RECOGNISE it, not merely have problems with it.
NAME ONE

Of course political parties recognise the parades commission but the Orange Order and the actual band scene is bigger and is more powerful than that organisation. That is why it looks weak. The band scene is much bigger than the DUP. So the DUP will always watch what they say. The party could easily end over night.

Cathal O

KeithAFC wrote: »

Of course political parties recognise the parades commission but the Orange Order and the actual band scene is bigger and is more powerful than that organisation. That is why it looks weak. The band scene is much bigger than the DUP. So the DUP will always watch what they say. The party could easily end over night.

I said that the OO are the only archaic organisation that doesnt recognise the parades commission, you said that there were others,i asked you to name one ORGANISATION (not just party) and you cant, have i finally won an argument over the infamous keith YAAAAAAASSSSS :cool:

KeithAFC

Cathal O wrote: »

I said that the OO are the only archaic organisation that doesnt recognise the parades commission, you said that there were others,i asked you to name one ORGANISATION (not just party) and you cant, have i finally won an argument over the infamous keith YAAAAAAASSSSS :cool:

No. I said there is parties which disagree with certain things the parades commission do. Big difference. The Orange Order disagree with them and don't recognise them but people in the DUP disagree with them too. I didn't say they didn't recognise them.

Cathal O

KeithAFC wrote: »

No. I said there is parties which disagree with certain things the parades commission do. Big difference. The Orange Order disagree with them and don't recognise them but people in the DUP disagree with them too. I didn't say they didn't recognise them.

So could you answer me my original question instead of answering a question that you made up by yourself ?
Thank You

RMD

CommuterIE wrote: »

They have absolutely no right to march through a Nationalist area with their flutes or flags... what happened tonight is a direct result of the Orange Order being absolute idiotic dickheads

Unfortunately it happens every year. They're certainly a pack of overly conservative idiots, a progressive mentality is alien to most of it's members. I agree to they have absolutely no right to march by Ardoyne as they're clearly not wanted there, evident by the pretty much annual 12th riots. Whether it be Republican or Loyalist, the marches should be kept to areas where they're wanted and wont cause problems.

sollar

RMD wrote: »

the marches should be kept to areas where they're wanted and wont cause problems.

They wouldn't get their kicks then and would lose interest.

pablomakaveli

There was an article in todays Examiner about the Orange Order and OO members in the South specifically. They're looking to open more Orange Lodges in the south and aspire to parade in Dublin in the coming years.

the guy being interviewed said that because gays and foreign minorities are allowed to parade in Dublin that they should be allowed too. But of course the gay rights march isnt a sectarian one.

I really dont want to see that sectarian organization spread in the Republic.

RMD

sollar wrote: »

They wouldn't get their kicks then and would lose interest.

That's the sad thing about these parades, theres a certain contingent involved on both sides who only want to parade to wind up the other side. Really ruins what could be something good and which wont cause problems.

KeithAFC

RMD wrote: »

That's the sad thing about these parades, theres a certain contingent involved on both sides who only want to parade to wind up the other side. Really ruins what could be something good and which wont cause problems.

What is your point though? The vast vast majority of parades, be it lead by the Orange Order or a normal band parade organised by the bands are good and pass off with no bother. It is no different to many other situations in the world.

Lonesome Boatman

why do they keep marching where there not wanted

march in loyalist areas instead of the same triumphalist nonsense year after year

or do they just enjoy winding nationalists up

Cookie33

If the Orange Order just left the nationalist areas and only parade in the loyalist areas, nationalists would eventually start rioting in loyalist areas too. Also one street could be loyalist and the next nationalist. What do you propose the parade to do? teleport themselves through the nationalist area?

Blackjack

There's a parade in Rosnowlagh every year, on the Saturday before the 12th.
Never any hassle at it, never any major news about it.

The Orange side don't demand to walk down anyone's road, and the Nationalists don't object because, well, there is no reason to - it's not the usual type of Parade that insists on spilling the bile where it's not welcome.

Perhaps if a similar attitude were to be adopted elsewhere, there would be less trouble each July.

On the other hand, many border counties do exceptionally well from the Tourist trade as many from both traditions escape the crazy behaviour that is passed off as "tradition" each July.

Cathal O

Why do the OO not communicate to parties or the commission in charge of such marches. It s my opinion that they do not speak to leading figures in SDLP or SF in troubled areas of marching to help calm violence as they believe they are more of a presence in the face of adversity. No other reason would explain it. They prefer being faced with a hostile opposition to replay king billies 'heroic' win 300 years ago.

Now i can expect the usual reasons of not wanting contact with SF, but both SDLP, independant nationalsits and the Parades commission have also offered talks, but they have been declined, but WHY????

RMD

KeithAFC wrote: »

What is your point though? The vast vast majority of parades, be it lead by the Orange Order or a normal band parade organised by the bands are good and pass off with no bother. It is no different to many other situations in the world.

My point is we both know what will happen when Loyalist marches go by Ardoyne, yet they still do it every year knowing it will lead to rioting. Therefore there's clearly a contingent in these bands who do it just to piss off the Republicans, otherwise they'd change the route.

Jelle1880

The reason (imo) why several Orange marches still go past Nationalist areas is:

1. They have done it for decades, the routes themselves are a part of it.
2. Some of them probably like winding up 'the enemy'
3. A lot of them believe that if they give in now, soon the marches will be gone completely because more and more rules will be applied, limiting their options (as has happened in Glasgow).

RMD

So should we let them march contentious routes which we know will lead to large scale rioting resulting in thousands of pounds of damage just so the Order will be happy?

StupidLikeAFox

CommuterIE wrote: »

How should the Republic react to the intimidation shown to Nationalists by their pathetic 'uhhh lets march through Nationalist areas to provoke them' mentality... sickening! Scumbags have no reason to walk these routes but to symbolize repression

They shouldnt react, nobody should, these people thrive on reactions. They should be let march down that street for one day a year and be ignored. I guarantee the novelty would wear off if they werent pissing people off

Jelle1880

I don't know RMD, do you believe that this will stop the rioting ?
I don't.

Maybe some of those 'Republicans' (I doubt most of them could point out Dublin on a map) could chill the **** out as well, instead of acting tough in their make-believe IRA world.

If you saw the BBC NI coverage you would have seen that the main march passed peacefully and thousands upon thousands of people were having a great day.