Mayo GAA Discussion Thread

Coillte_Bhoy

km79 wrote: »

he has come out on national radio and given a fairly detailed timeline of events.
I'd be inclined to believe him more than any spiel that will have to come from the county boars after Thursdays meeting

I'll wait till i hear the co boards version of evens before i rush to judgement.

Coillte_Bhoy

Panrich wrote: »

No they did not make a balls of it. They have lied and bypassed an agreed process for their own ends. They have to go and anyone who defends them is as bad as themselves. Cronyism at it's worst has been exposed and you want to forgive and forget.

Cronyism my arse, i think it was just a major balls up. And this 'they have to go' stuff, who will replace them? it will be the same kind of people. And i'm not defending anyone, but i'm not rushing to condemn either till i get more information.

I do think that events got out of hand on Saturday and they (co board) didnt know how to react. I dont think it was a deliberate planned series of events. By the way what news outlet broke the news first? newstalk afaik, surprise surprise

seligehgit

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Well thats McHales take on it, he's hardly an uninterested observer. A right mess allright but i dont think the lads will be under any extra pressure, there is a wave of goodwill behind them in the county. This row will blow over in a couple of weeks

All four former players...fabulous servants of Mayo GAA have been treated appallingly.However Noel Connelly and Pat Holmes at least have the satisfaction of being in situ,the controversy will indeed blow over very quickly.

In contrast Kevin McStay and his proposed selector Liam McHale will not be in situ and will have lots of time to spend in contemplation of their interactions with Mayo GAA officialdom and have a very bitter taste in their mouth.I'm sure they both have long memories.No way to treat two such dedicated past servants of Mayo GAA.

Panrich

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Cronyism my arse, i think it was just a major balls up. And this 'they have to go' stuff, who will replace them? it will be the same kind of people. And i'm not defending anyone, but i'm not rushing to condemn either till i get more information.

I do think that events got out of hand on Saturday and they (co board) didnt know how to react. I dont think it was a deliberate planned series of events. By the way what news outlet broke the news first? newstalk afaik, surprise surprise

Why did Gerry Bourke resign and say that the reason was that the process agreed to twelve hours earlier had been ditched? Interviews were to have been held and specific questions put to each candidate but the next day the job was handed to Connelly and Holmes.

And are you seriously telling me that we couldn't find a few decent and honest men to run our counties affairs and that all we have to replace proven liars are more of the same?

ColeTrain

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

I'll wait till i hear the co boards version of evens before i rush to judgement.

To be fair, whatever they say - they haven't got much credibility left after this.

km79

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

I'll wait till i hear the co boards version of evens before i rush to judgement.

oh they will have a "version" alright!
what version of events co you expect to hear?
that all protocol was followed , interviews were held etc?
I.e. evefy single person who has opened their mouth so far is lying ?
noone is even denying it!

Coillte_Bhoy

ColeTrain wrote: »

To be fair, whatever they say - they haven't got much credibility left after this.

No they havent but im still curious to hear their take on it, im sure everyone is

Coillte_Bhoy

Panrich wrote: »

And are you seriously telling me that we couldn't find a few decent and honest men to run our counties affairs and that all we have to replace proven liars are more of the same?

I think the officers there at present are decent and honest men but they or one or two of them ave amide a complete pigs ear of this. I dont think it was a deliberate 'conspiracy' or anything like that.

Coillte_Bhoy

km79 wrote: »

oh they will have a "version" alright!
what version of events co you expect to hear?
that all protocol was followed , interviews were held etc?
I.e. evefy single person who has opened their mouth so far is lying ?
noone is even denying it!

I want to hear what happened between the Friday night meeting and the phone calls to McStay on Saturday and who made the decisions relating to those calls, who signed off on the statement issued that night, why some members of the exec were called and other weren't etc

Fr Tod Umptious

Seriously McHale need to have a look in the mirror.

His whinge that since he was 18 all he wanted to do was win an All Ireland for Mayo was pathetic.

He has had his chances, he only has himself to blame.

He was the one who went in high and dangerous into the mellee in the '96 replay, giving the ref little choice but to sent him off.
Had he not been so stupid Mayo would have won that day.

He was also part of the setup in '04, how did that work out Liam.


Seriously Liam you had your chance now piss off and stop moaning.

yop

We'll wait until the county board make a statement... if they do!
So they have both made presentations and once was deemed to radical. I wonder in what context exactly. "for the county board", was it the board they wanted changed or was it something to do with the change.
From what i understand and I think I said this earlier, the players wanted buckley to remain, McStay didn't want him, Connelly did. If that is the level of change, well it seems minor but if the players wanted Buckley then they have to have a level of say in this.
Its looking like it has been handled very very badly by the County board, possibly the details were leaked, you don't know what shUI!te goes on with power tug on boards, though if this was a delibrate blocking by the chairman alone then he has to walk, no excuses.

We can't seem to just get on with it, we seem to have spent a lot of time in the eye of various storms over the last 6 months. Wish to fk we could just get on with the end goal and not have another episode of drama coming out from our GAA .

Coillte_Bhoy

yop wrote: »

We'll wait until the county board make a statement... if they do!
So they have both made presentations and once was deemed to radical. I wonder in what context exactly. "for the county board", was it the board they wanted changed or was it something to do with the change.
From what i understand and I think I said this earlier, the players wanted buckley to remain, McStay didn't want him, Connelly did. If that is the level of change, well it seems minor but if the players wanted Buckley then they have to have a level of say in this.
Its looking like it has been handled very very badly by the County board, possibly the details were leaked, you don't know what shUI!te goes on with power tug on boards, though if this was a delibrate blocking by the chairman alone then he has to walk, no excuses.

We can't seem to just get on with it, we seem to have spent a lot of time in the eye of various storms over the last 6 months. Wish to fk we could just get on with the end goal and not have another episode of drama coming out from our GAA .

What various storms? There was a one or two day controversy over Limerick but we actually did get on with things regarding that issue. genuinely not sure what you mean

Barlett

yop wrote: »

We'll wait until the county board make a statement... if they do!
So they have both made presentations and once was deemed to radical. I wonder in what context exactly. "for the county board", was it the board they wanted changed or was it something to do with the change.
From what i understand and I think I said this earlier, the players wanted buckley to remain, McStay didn't want him, Connelly did. If that is the level of change, well it seems minor but if the players wanted Buckley then they have to have a level of say in this.
Its looking like it has been handled very very badly by the County board, possibly the details were leaked, you don't know what shUI!te goes on with power tug on boards, though if this was a delibrate blocking by the chairman alone then he has to walk, no excuses.

We can't seem to just get on with it, we seem to have spent a lot of time in the eye of various storms over the last 6 months. Wish to fk we could just get on with the end goal and not have another episode of drama coming out from our GAA .

Exactly...I think the position of Buckley is the key factor and what they actually mean when speaking about 'continuity', most likely both had to put forward the make up of their backroom team and McStay wanted a clean out while Connelly wanted to retain Buckley.

UnitedIrishman

Don't think there is any way the chairman survives this. If the report is true and he basically done his own solo run to inform McStay that Connelly and Holmes would be getting the job, and the rest of the county board say that they had no knowledge of him doing this - then his position is completely untenable.

It's unfortunate because I think they got the right men but clearly in the wrong way. If they knew they were going to give it to Connelly and Holmes then why didn't they just go through the interview process and then inform him?

From what I've heard, the players weren't keen on McHale coming in due to some articles he had written about the team in the last couple years for one of the national papers. Connelly/Holmes were also keen on keeping on Donie Buckley and the players wanted that continuity in the squad.

km79

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Seriously McHale need to have a look in the mirror.

His whinge that since he was 18 all he wanted to do was win an All Ireland for Mayo was pathetic.

He has had his chances, he only has himself to blame.

He was the one who went in high and dangerous into the mellee in the '96 replay, giving the ref little choice but to sent him off.
Had he not been so stupid Mayo would have won that day.

He was also part of the setup in '04, how did that work out Liam.


Seriously Liam you had your chance now piss off and stop moaning.

that is EXTREMELY harsh !!!! he was probably the Mayo lad who did least in that melee. Meath were delighted to see him go ......why ? cos he was an excellent player.A bit like Ciaran McDonald he was not appreciated as much as he should have been as he did not fit the mould of a stereotypical footballer.
I find the borderline hatred of him baffling. A lot of people kept saying he would not be welcomed by the players BUT nobody put forward a reason why apart from their own dislike of him.
He owes Mayo nothing

realweirdo

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Sorry? What doubts are there and by whom? You're way out of order here if you cant back tha up

FFS...the word was last week he couldn't commit fully to the managerial job and wasn't interested. This week he's signed up to a co-managers job.

What is the difference here? Manager, Co-Manager, either he's at every training session, putting in the work going to club games, going to watch young players or scouting opponents, or he isn't. The co-manager job is surely as time consuming as a full managerial job. Unless they are going to split duties in which case it could be a right mess.

I will go look for his quote on why he wasn't interested in the full managerial job. I am just going on what was reported. Again, stop shooting the messenger here!

realweirdo

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Seriously McHale need to have a look in the mirror.

His whinge that since he was 18 all he wanted to do was win an All Ireland for Mayo was pathetic.

He has had his chances, he only has himself to blame.

He was the one who went in high and dangerous into the mellee in the '96 replay, giving the ref little choice but to sent him off.
Had he not been so stupid Mayo would have won that day.

He was also part of the setup in '04, how did that work out Liam.


Seriously Liam you had your chance now piss off and stop moaning.

So you'd rather a manager or assistant that didn't care if Mayo won an AI or not? Get real. He's passionate about winning an AI and you see this as a negative? Seriously?

Defiler Of The Coffin

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Seriously McHale need to have a look in the mirror.

His whinge that since he was 18 all he wanted to do was win an All Ireland for Mayo was pathetic.

He has had his chances, he only has himself to blame.

He was the one who went in high and dangerous into the mellee in the '96 replay, giving the ref little choice but to sent him off.
Had he not been so stupid Mayo would have won that day.

He was also part of the setup in '04, how did that work out Liam.


Seriously Liam you had your chance now piss off and stop moaning.

That's completely out of order. As if he tried to get himself sent off. He's been a great servant for the county and if he ever does get another chance to come on board with the team I'll be behind him 100%.

Whatever you think of him he didn't deserve the treatment he got from the board.

km79

realweirdo wrote: »

So you'd rather a manager or assistant that didn't care if Mayo won an AI or not? Get real. It's passionate about winning an AI and you see this as a negative? Seriously?

soms people just never liked him and never will.
Too much of a fancy Dan was a line I heard a few times
never understood that attitude
wonderful footballer

realweirdo

Barlett wrote: »

Exactly...I think the position of Buckley is the key factor and what they actually mean when speaking about 'continuity', most likely both had to put forward the make up of their backroom team and McStay wanted a clean out while Connelly wanted to retain Buckley.

I seriously doubt this. McStay wasn't even properly interviewed. I doubt he told anyone of his plans before being formally interviewed. I'd prefer to hear his verson of events than people speculating.

Its a red herring, the County Board trying to cover themselves once more. It isn't working. They've made a hash of it and the brave thing to do would be for the County Board to own up to it.

realweirdo

km79 wrote: »

soms people just never liked him and never will.
Too much of a fancy Dan was a line I heard a few times
never understood that attitude
wonderful footballer

Nonsense, McHale was anything but a fancy Dan. He was a core element of the Mayo team from the late 80s to the mid 90s.

How easily Mayo fans forget. He's put more into the Mayo jersey than most other people in Mayo. He doesn't have to justify himself to anyone.

Defiler Of The Coffin

realweirdo wrote: »

I seriously doubt this. McStay wasn't even properly interviewed. I doubt he told anyone of his plans before being formally interviewed. I'd prefer to hear his verson of events than people speculating.

Apparently he gave a presentation to the county board but it was dismissed as being 'too radical'. Listen to the Off The Ball podcast from earlier on if you want to hear more.

yop

realweirdo wrote: »

I seriously doubt this. McStay wasn't even properly interviewed. I doubt he told anyone of his plans before being formally interviewed. I'd prefer to hear his verson of events than people speculating.

This is a red herring, the County Board trying to cover themselves once more. It isn't working. They've made a hash of it and the brave thing to do would be for the County Board to own up to it.

McHale comments here,
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/liam-mchale-kevin-mcstays-presentation-was-too-radical-for-mayo-county-board-30610085.html

McStay made a presentation, so he did get a change to tell them of his plans.

yop

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

What various storms? There was a one or two day controversy over Limerick but we actually did get on with things regarding that issue. genuinely not sure what you mean

Got 2 texts this evening from non Mayo lads and even reading the forums all i can see is how we spent the year going on about ticket issues in the hyde, ref performances, not been allowed to play in Croker for the semi, that kerry had an advantage in Limerick etc.
While I think we had a valid case in all of the above, we are painting ourselves as been the eternal moaners.

km79

yop wrote: »

McHale comments here,
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/liam-mchale-kevin-mcstays-presentation-was-too-radical-for-mayo-county-board-30610085.html

McStay made a presentation, so he did get a change to tell them of his plans.

to tell who ? not the interview panel that had been selected Friday night anyway

wirelessdude01

Defiler Of The Coffin wrote: »

Apparently he gave a presentation to the county board but it was dismissed as being 'too radical'. Listen to the Off The Ball podcast from earlier on if you want to hear more.

When did this presentation happen?

seligehgit

km79 wrote: »

soms people just never liked him and never will.
Too much of a fancy Dan was a line I heard a few times
never understood that attitude
wonderful footballer

Totally agreed,Liam McHale was one of the finest footballers we have ever produced,entirely dedicated to the Green and Red.

Fr Tod Umptious

I'm not doubting his contribution to Mayo football, but he is a great man to have an opinion after the fact.

I thought his thing on the radio tonight was pathetic.
As I said he has had his chances over the years and failed.

I remember him on Newstalk a few days after the '06 final giving out about Mickey Moran and co and how poorly they did things, thankfully the presenter had the sense to read out a text reminding McHale that he himself was part of the equally bad '04 setup.

ColeTrain

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Seriously McHale need to have a look in the mirror.

His whinge that since he was 18 all he wanted to do was win an All Ireland for Mayo was pathetic.

He has had his chances, he only has himself to blame.

He was the one who went in high and dangerous into the mellee in the '96 replay, giving the ref little choice but to sent him off.
Had he not been so stupid Mayo would have won that day.

He was also part of the setup in '04, how did that work out Liam.


Seriously Liam you had your chance now piss off and stop moaning.

Jesus did Liam block you at the basket a few times?

Coillte_Bhoy

realweirdo wrote: »

I seriously doubt this. McStay wasn't even properly interviewed. I doubt he told anyone of his plans before being formally interviewed. I'd prefer to hear his verson of events than people speculating.

Its a red herring, the County Board trying to cover themselves once more. It isn't working. They've made a hash of it and the brave thing to do would be for the County Board to own up to it.

Of course he did, McHale said so this evening