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Round 09 - British Grand Prix
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Good race, some nice overtaking by the McLarens
It's a pity the team orders thing is an issue, bit surprised Redbull told them to hold station, since it's slightly unsporting for the redbull image, McLaren seem okay leaving it to the drivers. It's not like Redbull can't afford to drop a few points
Pity about Button dropping out, good to see Ferrari win for a change but they did seem to sacrifice Massa a bit. Would have liked to see one of the top teams try a two stop strategy. Commentry not the best today from Brundle and Coultard, wish the five live commentry was an option on HD0 -
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It was funny too to see how Button was very little quicker than Alonso when he overtook him while Vettel tends to have a coupla seconds a lap in hand when overtaking someone.
Was it not Massa that Button passed? First at the very start and then again later on. I thought the only McClaren to go past Alonso was Hamilton.Great point. I suppose though Horner meant that if the two wiped each other out then there's zero points. Which is fair enough. But to leave the car with issues holding up a faster car, well, why not give Vettel the team order to move over if Webber is still in the hunt?
But what difference would that have made if Webber was allowed pass? Still the same points for the team. Why risk an accident and zero points for no extra reward? Much better to bring home another chunk of points and p1ss off your no. 2 driver.Brundle is grand, when he's not having his sentences finished for him.
That's very annoying alright. DC acting like an over excited kid jumping in all the time interrupting. Brundle and Croftie would be cool as you say.
Bit surprised by the general hate on here for Horner. A billionaire owner looking over your shoulder expecting nothing less than both championships, suspicious mid season rule changes putting you on the back foot, pit-stop problems and tyre troubles in a mixed up difficult race - I think it's very understandable the decision he made not to risk a collision. Championship points = millions of pounds so would anyone here not do the same with that pressure on your shoulders??
It is a team sport afterall. I would say they want to bag as many points as possible while they still have a car advantage. Exact same with the Schumacher years when Ferrari were dominating much more than the Red Bulls are now. Back your best driver, win the titles and then let them race all they want.0 -
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Was it not Massa that Button passed? First at the very start and then again later on. I thought the only McClaren to go past Alonso was Hamilton.
Your right, as above my point stands thoughAndrew76 wrote:But what difference would that have made if Webber was allowed pass? Still the same points for the team. Why risk an accident and zero points for no extra reward? Much better to bring home another chunk of points and p1ss off your no. 2 driver.
Firstly, it would have lent a lot of credence to Christian "There are no team orders at Red Bull" Horner. Secondly, letting Webber past Vettel (who had KERS issues) would have shown us (and Webber) that Webber is still in the title chase would it not. The fact that they elected to allow a slower Vettel hold up a faster Webber sends a clear signal that RB believe Vettel is their only hope this year for the Drivers championship. I agree (ironically), that Horner made the right call without a doubt. I just take issue with the coprporate nonsense that's given as answers to real world questions.
Ted C - "Are there team orders at Red Bull, I thought there wern't?"
Horner - "Blah Blah Blah, team team team, Blah".
Instead of:
Horner - "Of course there are, it's legal this year isn't it? Vettel has a clear advantage, & we chose to streghten his position."
I'd have full respect for the second answer. I have nothing but distain for coprporate bull**** that answers nothing though.Andrew76 wrote:That's very annoying alright. DC acting like an over excited kid jumping in all the time interrupting. Brundle and Croftie would be cool as you say.
I honestly find DC very distracting, the laughing at his own jokes thing takes my attention completely from the race.
Jenson Button - "The left is not locked up guys" (and pulls in to retire)
DC - "I think you'll find it's the right Jenson hahablurglehaha".
Yeah DC, I'm sure your a blast at parties dude :rolleyes:Andrew76 wrote:Bit surprised by the general hate on here for Horner. A billionaire owner looking over your shoulder expecting nothing less than both championships, suspicious mid season rule changes putting you on the back foot, pit-stop problems and tyre troubles in a mixed up difficult race - I think it's very understandable the decision he made not to risk a collision. Championship points = millions of pounds so would anyone here not do the same with that pressure on your shoulders??
It is a team sport afterall. I would say they want to bag as many points as possible while they still have a car advantage. Exact same with the Schumacher years when Ferrari were dominating much more than the Red Bulls are now. Back your best driver, win the titles and then let them race all they want.
Definitely agree with that. It may seem as Horner is a target of my above posts but he's really not. I actually have a bit of time Horner, he's a Red Bull employee & like all managers...they have to "become the company" in a sense. He can't give us his own personal views on things really, so it's quite difficult for him to answer questions. I still think his answers today did not do Red Bull PR any favours. Sometimes, blunt honesty can appeal to people, & I'm one of them.My bad. Point stands though :pac:
IndeedGhost Train wrote: »Vettel was good on top gear, good to see him relaxed and having a laugh
Thought he was a good sport, nice chap with a good sense of humour. More stuff like that, it gives a better insight into the drivers that official stuff. Good lap by him.0 -
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Firstly, it would have lent a lot of credence to Christian "There are no team orders at Red Bull" Horner. Secondly, letting Webber past Vettel (who had KERS issues) would have shown us (and Webber) that Webber is still in the title chase would it not. The fact that they elected to allow a slower Vettel hold up a faster Webber sends a clear signal that RB believe Vettel is their only hope this year for the Drivers championship. I agree (ironically), that Horner made the right call without a doubt. I just take issue with the coprporate nonsense that's given as answers to real world questions.
Ted C - "Are there team orders at Red Bull, I thought there wern't?"
Horner - "Blah Blah Blah, team team team, Blah".
Instead of:
Horner - "Of course there are, it's legal this year isn't it? Vettel has a clear advantage, & we chose to streghten his position."
I'd have full respect for the second answer. I have nothing but distain for coprporate bull**** that answers nothing though.
Everyone knows there has always been team orders (even when officially illegal) so it's not surprising to hear him say they have none last year (maybe they didn't back then) while giving out about the Ferrari's but change his tune this year. He has to say that. It sucks for the fans when we get robbed a good fight but all the big teams do it and rightly so. Corporate nonsense is then norm for F1 teams, esp the big ones with more to lose. Whitmarsh and Domenicali are far worse imo.
I know I'm in the minority but I've a lot of time for Horner, relatively young team principal in with the big fish, always gives interviews good times and bad. Now his team has won the championships he's doing what he can to hold onto it, fair play.
If Webber wasn't being dominated by Vettel then I would agree they should be allowed fight it out until one becomes the clear favourite to win the title. But as much as I like Webber, when you have the likes of Alonso and Hamilton chasing you, history shows you really have to back your top driver while they have the advantage.Jenson Button - "The left is not locked up guys" (and pulls in to retire)
DC - "I think you'll find it's the right Jenson hahablurglehaha".
Thought that was poor form alright. Indeed, Jenson's point still stood regardless.
I still think his answers today did not do Red Bull PR any favours. Sometimes, blunt honesty can appeal to people, & I'm one of them.
Me too, but corporate bs is always there.0 -
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Was surprised to tickets to the new main straight for Sundays race with roving tickets for Saturday.
Fantastic experience. The atmosphere was amazing and I don't think anything could have prepared me for the sheer sound pressure level of those cars. Brilliant!
A few select snaps of the 1200 taken!
The sheer cornering ability is really demonstrated on the last shot.
The start. Great start by Vettel.
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