Cork GAA Discussion Thread

thinkstoomuch1

malascoile wrote: »

Any sign of a training panel for the senior hurlers

I would expect mid January,around the second week ,it be formalised as they are on holidays in a well earned team holiday they had to raise funds for themselves up til then.


I hope it is not the same panel as last year.There should be a few changes.

malascoile

Is there any sign of a training panel for the senior hurlers?

thinkstoomuch1

Straight Talker wrote: »

I don't think managerial failures cost Waterford against Clare the forwards just weren't accurate enough.I would agree that the current Cork team wouldn't be as good as past Cork teams but i would class them as a good team that are a few half backs and a proper full back short of being an all ireland winning team.I thought that they played some great hurling against Dublin particularly in the first half although that was a good old fashioned 15 on 15 shoot out with everyone in their conventional formations.

As for the two games against Clare i thought Cork dominated the last 15 minutes of the drawn game and they nearly snatched the win!However i realise that the Cork forwards were living off scraps in that match and that it would have been daylight robbery if we snatched that one.As for the second game i felt that sloppy goals and bad defending was Corks undoing.They showed great heart and character to come back from 8 points down and the game was level with 10 minutes to go.However i also realise that Clare could have taken their foot off the gas and went to sleep.Clare then got their fourth goal but Cork kept on fighting until the end.I think a bad half back line was our undoing against Clare because Corks half back line is the weakest out of all the main hurling counties.I actually think we have forwards that can cause any team problems.If the half back line and the full back position could be sorted out then i would be quietly confident that Cork will give any team a game.
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I would agree with that regarding Cork.
We are far from average,but last year with absent players,injured players, no depth of real quality on the bench,a starvation of a winning mentality at underage,and a young team that had obstacle after obstacle to face we were beatable.
We improved dramatically with every game ,and got much stronger.

We also lacked a spine at 3 and 6 .
We were a young team.
The fact we got so far ,shows great resilent ,and like Munster Rubgy have shown,it is great to have that abiltity to overcome adversity and setback.Many teams have talent,and no character or backbone.
We have both and JBM and the management deserve immense credit for that and we have a lot of talented players,but we need to compliment that with a strong spine.


I do think the half back line is weak but it is not in need of major surgey ,as the materials are there.Tom Kenny retiring is good news,a great ,great player and a wonderful servant to Cork ,but the time was right to retire.That will help us next year,as he won't be half back.I know Dave Matthews said he still had the legs for the game .Matthews paid him a great tribute,but I would not agree the legs were still their.Tom,will go down as one of the Greatest cork midfielders ever,up their with John Fenton,Gerald Mac etc,so if the legs were still their ,and the management felt that,you would think,midfield would have been where he played this year ,espiceally when he was in hes day better than Lorchan.

The point is they knew he had not the real pace for midfield in the modern game,hence why he was a half back this year.He was never a half back in truth,O Grady realised he was not defensive enough and that is why he was moved.Not dominant enough under the high ball.A great midfielder and should of got an All Star,having said its hard to argue with those that got it ahead of him.

There are 6 aeras of Concern for Cork hurling next year at senior level I feel.

1-Full back.A natural full back ,not a makeshift stop gap.By all means convert a player to full if he has the right attributes.John Browne being the rare exception,corner backs should not be converted ,as their instinct is attack and play the ball and don't have a mindset to mind the square.Mcdonnell,murphy,patrick o mahony,shane o neill are not the answer.Colm Spillane or Jamie Nagle are the best options.
Eoin keane,a few years ago,was an option but injury ,like with Darragh rodgers may have cost us a top full back.

2.Find a perfect foil for Kearney.
Pa cronin,we would get away with in the Leauge,but has no pace for that aera to track back at championship.Lorchan bar the Dublin game ,last two years has consistenly shown he is not a top midfieider.Half back he can be a top player and is already.Mcdonnell(if not half back,is good enough for intercounty but we have an overload of establishf top corner backs with an endless array of future corner backs,Cormac Walsh,maybee at a push Haugney(still major doubts about hes toughness,bags of hurling)and Michael o Sullivan if he is on the panel are options.

Darren mccarthy a superb two seasons,outfield with ballymartle,club team of the year the last two years and an impressive scoring record,could be an option.Their is no shortage of keepers as a replacement sub keeper if we need one.Rob O Shea,along with Coughlan the only two players in the u21 game to play well,and on the panel,and a great minor ,I think up their as leading scorer in the Munster championship a few years ago could be an option.Cormac Murphy ,the only man to hold Lehane ,the last 8 weeks,should be watched with UCC.He is versatile at half back or midfield.

3.The pieces are their at half back,just need to get the balance right,out of Joyce,Egan,Mcloughlin ,Mcdonnell,Nagle etc.Stephen white is not the answer,and never was.
He has been around the panel since 2008 and has not made it in 5 years.You must give others a chance.

Joyce has been tossed between midfield,and half back,and got a real confidence downer when Cronin ,was tried in a challege match against limerick,then waterford and Clare.What saved Cronin against waterford was the monsoon weather that day,to go fast you needed a speed boat.
He's pace was never exposed.I said it then even around that challenge match,he never had the makings of a centre back.
Against Clare in a dry ptich in March,he was like a dog chasing he'sown tail,running after faster Clare lads.Jbm learned that night,and never again played him there again.

For Na piarsaigh Gardiner in the half back line hasnt helped,as joyce is at midfield.Without Gardiner at centre back he could thrive.

The Cork league final,when Gardiner was full forward,after a shaky start,Joyce was immense.He won the world of ball of Cian Mac as the game wore on.
The word is he will be there next year for the club,and that is good for Cork.


The guy has it all for centre back,great reader,good nimble feet,tough and abrasive and takes no prisoners and cocky as well.The boxing back ground shows with him.He was caught in two mindsets last year,a centreback ,and a midfielder.He did not know when to attack or defend.

The 1st game in the All Ireland Final summed it up,he got a ball last minute at centre back and ran ,and ran and ran with it.He played like a midfielder.I don't blame him,as all year he rotated between half back and midfield.

How can you command or control a aera,if your not given the time to grow in to it,and your playing with two different mindsets in the one game.

It is no coincendce Corks best half back display all year was against kilkenny in knowlan Park,wave after wave of ball came down on them due to an ineffective half forward line.
That day they were immense,they didn't just survive, they won that battle,and that day it was even with Stephen White,badly caught for a point and exposed quite a bit.
The other two were a Colussus in that unit.Mcloughlin and Joyce hurled ball after ball.He blew Larkin who was going straight through for a goal ,with a shoulder the Rock would have been proud of.Those two have to start,and then egan, or mcdonnell for the last spot.

Watch Joyce as well, he's body language tells it all.That day a few Cork lads walked off,and I got the sense,they were relieved ,that it wasnt a mauling and job well done.Joyce was like a bull,you could see the anger in him,he was burning with fire.He didn't give a f**k that Cork came close,he hated loosing.

I have seen that fire,that hunger,that Roy Keane mentality before with him. In 2012, in the u21,in the Pairc,Tipp won by a point,after a superb man of the match display by him,he was shattered at the end ,he looked the most devasted player on the ptich.

He has the hunger that is second to none.They are the type of guys you want to lead you from the back.Centre back is he's only poisiton,as even though he ain't slow,he doesnt have real pace for corner back or midfield.You don't need blinding pace for centre back as Brian Hogan and Brian Cococoran proved.

4.Find the perfect six forwards,as in not the most skiful,but the right balance between power,ball winning abilty,power ,athlesicm,pace,with fast nippy ,swift hands with super fast hurling up front,and forwards that can score ,goals and points.
The raw materials is their ,Aidan Walsh Seamus Harnedy, Pa Cronin,Conor Lehane, Sthephen Moylan,Luke O Farell,Pa Horgan,,Alan Cadogan,Jamie Coughlan, and Paudie Sullivan.

Pa O'Callaghan should be with Michael Cahalane on the extended training panel,not necessairly playing,but seen as the last two and further two years,they will play under a manager,that has failed the last 3 years ,at Intercounty,they must get a change ,and for the 1st time ever play in a top management set up for Cork.Their talents at the very least deserve it.

Their is plenty of talent their,so thanks very much Michael Cussen and Cathal Naughton for yere commitment and efforts,but not what we are looking for, I hope is what happens.


Jamie Coughlan,Alan Cadogan,Sthephen Moylan,and Paudie Sullivan all should be ahead of him.It is no harm to have a big panel as Clare proved.With close or around 12 forwards all with realistic chances going for six positions is what Cork need,unlike last year no forward guaranteed a place.Cody said that he doesnt give a damn about reputuations,it is attuide he worries about.

5.This is out of Corks control,but a bit of luck with injuries would be nice.
6.Playing sub standard teams like Wexford,Laois,Offaly,and Antrim won't tell us much about the new players we bring in.Limerick being 1st out,its likely and rightfully so we put the strongest team out,as it is a must we win for promotion.But that is Corks only real test.
In to a league quater final against a team battle hardened team far from ideal.

Also playing on the 15th februrary is a dissaster for the us in terms our lads are not back training till mid januray,as their on a well deserved team holiday at the start of January.Their back on the 13th,four weeks then to a crucial ask on the players.Limerick are bound to be ahead of Cork in fitness.


Playing at home,is playing in the comfort zone against below standard teams.No real test.Just a short spin to the Pairc,no hostile atmsophere,but very much a carnival jovial atmosphere.Players get no benfit ,as their not tested in those games.


Last year,Corks defining game was against Waterford away in the lashing rain in Waterford,with no real Cork crowd,they had to deep physically and mentally to make a great comeback and earn the draw.That day ,the character and hunger of the side was born.We have no such tests next year away from home.I would have loved to got Wexford away from home.

This no matter how others blow it up is the league final.Wexford may catch limerick at home,but we wont be beaten by them in Cork.The hardest thing with Antrim is the logistics with respect to them,we should win that .I mean no malise against Antrim,I would love to see them do well,and we always had a good relationship with jerry wallis, ,justin macarthy all coaching there ,and now James Loughrey with the Footballers.Even recently, Pat Horgan,Nash,cronin,paudi sullivan were at a youth presenation in Cushendall.

And kevin ryan will do great work with them ,but the game with Cork will be too early for them.

Laois may have suprised Galway in the past,and won't let in ten goals like last time against us,but their too too early in their development to beat cork.Their style will suit Cork down to the ground.


That is how easy with respect to them ,Laois will be,like Antrim.They have good managers,but it will take them time,a long time,as they have to build from the bottom up.

Cork have heart ,talent,hunger,a great management and captain ,and with Nash,shane o neill,Harnedy ,Cronin,Lehane,Kearney,Horgan,and Joyce established leaders and leaders for the future,the expierence and belief from last year means were in a much better place than last year,but as Nash and Jbm said,noboddy can rest on their laurels,silverware defines a team,and a lot of work has been done but a lot remains to be done.We must win while JBM is in charge,as if we don't we are in for a long long wait.And next year is 9 and counting without one.

In fact if we dont win it next year ,it will over be over ten years without an All Ireland and we have to go back to 1954-1966 for the longest famine in over 40 years.
Awful reading for a Cork Fan and really blows holes in the rubbish some will say ,Cork have no given right to be winning all irelands .With that attuide it is no wonder we are not where we should be at the top or very close to it.

thinkstoomuch1

Cadogan and Cahalane are meant to be in linking up with the hurlers.It is defies all logic if true,particulary with Cahalane,coming back from a very serious hip injury .If that it is true ,Cork have five dual players on both panels.

ShamoBuc

Cork should have enough strength in depth to manage 5 dual players properly. These players will be playing and training at club level and county level. In the league especially, mixing the players won't be a problem - for most of them we k now what they can do already. The championship is another matter, but again depending on opponents - players won't have to play every weekend. It's all about common sense and good management - I think we'll be fine.

thinkstoomuch1

Best of Luck to the Cork Ladies Football team in the Irish team of the year award tonight.Some stiff opposition,and to win it,but a tremendous achievement to be nominated in such company like Leinster,and Clare.

Great to see Eammon Ryan interviewed and Nollaig Cleary,and on her wedding night.Two great Cork Legends.

zetecescort

Noel O'Leary married today also.

thinkstoomuch1

There is a very good read in the Tribune,where Patrick kelly and Connor O sullivan give insights in to the drawn and replayed all ireland hurlings finals at different stages of the games,with Input from Brian Gavin as well.

denishurley

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

There is a very good read in the Tribune,where Patrick kelly and Connor O sullivan give insights in to the drawn and replayed all ireland hurlings finals at different stages of the games,with Input from Brian Gavin as well.

How I wish you were right, I still miss it!

The Times (where it actually is!) is probably the best now for GAA coverage

thinkstoomuch1

denishurley wrote: »

How I wish you were right, I still miss it!

The Times (where it actually is!) is probably the best now for GAA coverage

My mistake I still have it in my brain.Ya a superb paper in its day,a good piece today,and the honesty of Gavin,Kelly,and Conor Sullivan was very good.

The Examiner ,credit where due ,done a great supplement on Midelton last Tuesday.

The_Kew_Tour

I think Examiner is better.

thinkstoomuch1

On TG4 tommorrow night at 8.30,their is a Hurling special,a review of the year with Diarmuid Lyng,John Allen and Liam Rush.

JBM is interviewed also.

slingerz

Cadogan to rejoin the hurling panel for 2014, just confirmed by the Echo.

willietherock

slingerz wrote: »

Cadogan to rejoin the hurling panel for 2014, just confirmed by the Echo.

As a dual player?

thinkstoomuch1

willietherock wrote: »

As a dual player?

Yup ,it will end in dissaster.
Cahalane ,is being asked also,and will review it after the spring,when he recovers from injury.
What next ,Colm O Neill,Mark Collins,Kevin canty.

Straight Talker

I was just saying there that you would have to wonder if Aidan Walsh and Eoin Cadogan don't have much confidence in the footballers new management team if their going down the dual player route.Of course maybe the two lad's just want to try both the hurling and football but i just couldn't imagine Jim Gavin in Dublin allowing dual players.

thinkstoomuch1

Straight Talker wrote: »

I was just saying there that you would have to wonder if Aidan Walsh and Eoin Cadogan don't have much confidence in the footballers new management team if their going down the dual player route.Of course maybe the two lad's just want to try both the hurling and football but i just couldn't imagine Jim Gavin in Dublin allowing dual players.

One player was a bonus,walsh was a huge boost,but now Cork want to be selfish in the extreme of more dual players.

There is a lot of cheerleading,with for this,and I understand why,as people want Cork to win a hurling title.That is fair enough.I do as well.

In all honesty , common sense needs to be applied though.Back in the 90s when you played two games in Hurling in Munster(even then bar Tipp ,you werent guaranteed a tough game with the rest,with an even year you got a walkover to the final as you had the Ulster champions in a semi final,then the final,and in the football you had kerry,and just two more games,Cork had at best two duals players in those teams,Denis Walsh,and Teddy Mac.
Even then,a time made for dual stars,Cork never had 3 or 4.They did not take the biscuit.


Munster football is not as hard as the hurling,but you loose to kerry,which could realstically happen,you have back door games anywhere up the country.


Logistics,proximity of game,recovery times all make it impractible for five or even 3 dual players etc to work,and perform to high standards in not just one,but both codes.

It sets an awful,awful statement to both panels,and is awful for morale,as players busting there balls,loose heart when they loose place to dual players for big games yet when the dual stars cant play a certain game or for just one half the others are called on.Rotation of players on a part time basis ,is not good for moral,team unity,character and an understanding of team systems etc.

Noel O Leary said that in 2003,,the moral of the u21 football team was poor ,as John Gardiner and Setanta,were put straight on the panel,without any training done,as they were preparing for an all ireland final with the hurling.

Such was that fiasco,cork tried to get the game waterford postponed even right up to the day of the game just to facilate two players that yes had lots of talent as footballers,but had never trained. properly ,all year ,and there was better players on the bench,and Waterford rightly so refused.The game went ahead,and Cork lost.Is the same fiasco going to happen this year with the Seniors with dual players?

If there is a clash do we ask for postponement of games?we wouldnt and rightfully so get them.


Cahalane ,id be suprised if he went for dual codes,surley to god hes old man will advise against,as he has had a majior surgery on both hips at just 21,will find it hard as it is to establish himself with the footballers ,in a team that are very much in transisiton.The last thing he needs is extra mileage.The amount of cruciate injuries,ankle,and now hip injuries,Cork have had in both codes is huge.Cahalane at 21,,like coughlan in the hurling ,is very young to have those problems.Harnedy has been lucky,that he's is not serious.Thank god for that.


Wexford announced said,during the week,and it is alarming,four young players had Double hip operations .Mileage the players have now at underage is alarming.

Cork need to look it ,in the future as at minor and u21 we have too many dual players ,Mark Sugrue,Trevor Horgan,Michael Cahalane,Alan Cadan,Peter Kelliher,Killan O Connor,Kieran Histon ,Jamie Wall,Rickard Cahalane ,the kingston lads,the list is huge.
And that is not taking in to acount club demands.It is no wonder the players are getting so many injuries.At u21,the only plus is the football is over in May,when the Hurling starts,however the minor cross paths.Even in Schools ,like Hamilton,Rochestown,they are asked play both codes.Players at a young age are trying to do both,on top of the leaving cert.


They introduce training bans ,which are no benefitThey need to look at the volume and proximity of games.
Any of those players above,when they see it done at senior will if asked want to do doth both for Cork if they got the chance down the line.A statement needs to be made from the top down,the Dual Era is over at senior bar like anything in life the odd exception to the rule.


In rubgy,the IRFU have a player welfare policy,big international stars have a limit of games and must have rest time.In GAA , we dont decrease games but add to the number by incorpating dual codes at Senior level as well.


Jbm said ,that he would of asked Sheehan ,so that would have been 3.We all know Cuthbhert is,for it.

Sheehan playing two codes ,based on a good minor career ,is a bit much.He has a better chance of making it in Aussie rules than he would have a dual star,as he has the time to work one code,full time rather than mix and match both back here.Very worrying ,that Jbm had him in line for the panel ,and also Cuthbhert allowed it.It concerns me,both managers think it can work.

John cleary no way would allow so many dual lads.I am a huge fan ,of JBM,and hope it works,but I have doubts and I am suprised JBM is going for a lot of dual stars.
The way JBM talked in the paper,it sounded like he wants to stay with Cork for a few more years,and that is good news.There is no way he won't be offered a new year contract.


What next ?colm o neill,Mark collins,kevin canty ,all hurled for Cork.


Cadogan came back,the fact he is a student now,not a sales man ,will mean he has the time to keep the hurling touch in to a degreeunlike in 2012,,but the problem is he is now 27,,injuries affecting him a lot more,and Note,he is not recovering as fast either as before when he gets injured.This was clear as day this year,he was hampered by injuries.

There is no benefit bringing Cahalane and Cadogan back unless they have a realistic chance to start.If cadogan starts at centre back,what does that do for confidence and moral of joyce,egan et who stand to loose out.Colm Spillane ,who has it seems put injuries behind me the last year,that hindered hes involmement in 2012 against tipp at U21, has intercounty written all over him,he has the hurling and aggression.He won't get much chance with cahalane and Cadogan back.
Cadogan is the type ,that such is he's agression and drive,he could be thrown in ,and he will compete most days,but up against the real top teams like clare who's touch is just super,he will need he's touch to be the same.

What happens when Cork have clashes with both codes.Cadogan opted for Munster final against clare over Offaly the night before.He said during the week,he will be accepting more responibilites in the football team to help the young lads,so he will again preference football.


Cork have two games clashing,it means suddenly we have no full back,centre back,and a half forward in the hurling.How in the f***k can you motivate a lad to come in to the team,as a replacement player and grab the chance,when it is not like he is replacing a lad that had a bad game,he is just starting as the lads are unavaible and as soon as there back,the next game he is out.


Alan Cadogan could make a serious push for the hurling ,but again he is on the football.Madness,when he is not established on either one.
Cadogan would bring a ruthless and mean streak to the Cork defence and its unlikely he would allow the clare lads waltz through like in the all ireland final.He would have a role to play,but only if he was just hurling alone.He is with the footballers so ,he should be left their.

The other point with Cadogan,he even at club level was never in the form he was in 2009 when he got man of the match in thurles against Tipp in he's debut.
He was outstanding,the amount of ball he won ,and the hunger he showed was unreal.He held Corbett and Mcgrath very well that day.

As soon as he joined the football,in 2010,the hurling went downwards.

He was okay against Galway in the all ireland semifinal.The game that showed how far off the pace was against Tipp down the Pairc.Bonner Maher ,absoultley ,destroyed him under the high ball ,and yeah you could say hes touch was off,but realistically whether he had ball work done or not,he shouldnt have been cleaned out in the air the way he was.

Maher got on the ball 17 times,made six scores and also created the Goal (wouldnt blame him for that,kenny was marking him then),but that day even though cadoagan hurlerd a lot of ball,he was at the end of the day,in hes primariy role as a defender well beaten in truth by Maher.
Overall in 2012,he's touch and hurling was very much below he's standard.

We have no guarantee which Cadogan we get?will the Cadogan of 09,a long time ago ,or the Cadogan of 2012 show up.He has little hurling done at club since either due to injury.

Davy fitz has about six or seven lads that could play football for clare,it is extremely unlikely he will any do both,and if Podge Collins is allowed to do both,he will just do football for the league.

Are dublin making waves for Ciaran kilkenny to go hurling,and Conal Keaney to go back to the footballers.They have accepted where they are,and life has moved on without them,and kilkenny may well play hurling down the line for Dublin,but is highely unlikey JIM Gavin would tolerate dual players when this team are on the cusp of great times ahead.


It is quite clear our football manager has no problem with dual stars,as if he did why pick eoin keane and alan cadogan ,when they were already on the hurling panel.

Walsh,Eoin Cadogan, he allowed,would have allowed sheehan ,by jbm comments also.It is a poor statement of intent ,by a new football manager that is trying to build a team ,that allows hes main full back ,in an aera(cork are short)a half back for the future join hes only midfielder ,as a dual player.As if it wasnt hard enough for them,build a new team,with little proven expierence in the management set up bar the outstanding record of the physical trainer,and now with ldas doing both.


All the uproar,and frustration about the Club game being played too late is forgotten as well.It is hard enough as it is with dual club players ,but with with more intercounty players at both codes it doesnt help the existing problem.


Ollie baker was right in that the dual player era was over .Walsh was our best chance of making it work for a year next year and we should of been happy with that.Now its turning in to a farce,a free for all.


Dual players is not like picking your fantasty football team ,where you put names down on paper and watch them pick up points for your team.These are not just names on a paper that in a fantasy world,it is the perfect dream,but in the harsh reality of an already overly congested inter county hurling and football season,combined with other demands ,injuries ,team systems,morale and spirit of the team ,the realistic chances in all honesty of anything more than one dual star working are slim to none,as too many variables come in to the equation,that lets be honest ,at the end of the day,they won't balance out.

The way people are talking,why not contact london Irish,see if we get tomas o leary back hurling in june,when the rubgy ends on loan,get Darren sweetnahm also ,Colm o Neill,Mark Collins, can do both and sure why not get Daniel Goulding ,he played in a cork intermediate hurling finals,he got 3 balls of Donuagh duane , Jesus he must be intercounty standard for Cork.
Thats a fantasy world,unfortunately Reality always prevails.


We are on the cusp of great times with the Hurlers,the potential is there in abundance with the footballers if the management can deliver,we don't need to risk with it dual players that comprise both teams where we thrive for success in both,but in the end could fall well short in both codes.
I really ,really hope it works,but I fear it is going to backfire and hinder both teams.

thinkstoomuch1

Here is a list of Every Football and Hurling game played at
Inter County Senior football and Inter County Senior Hurling by Cork in the Waterford Crystal,Mcgrath Cup,Hurling and Football leagues and championships played in 2013.

This is separte to training sessions,weekends away,players on either panels would be involved in ,in regards staking a claim.


There is a huge amount of clashes,and games week after week or close to it ,for dual players.Yes ,they wouldnt be expected to play full parts of every game,but the panel would still attend games,as part team building,etc .

The Fotballers had a total of 21 games,the Hurlers had a total of 19 games.

6th January Mcgrath Cup footballers v CIT at CIT Cork 1-15 CIT 0-10

13th January Mcgrath Cup football v Tippereary Cork 1-9 Tippereary 2-9

19th of January Hurling Waterford Crystal V UCC in the Mardyke Cork 3-20 to UCC 1-16

26th of January Waterford Crystal v WIT Pairc Ui Rinn Cork 4-16 to WIT 1-8
27th of January football challenge 0-13 to Laois 0-13 at Stradbally

1st of February
Waterford Crystal hurling in Sixmilebridge Cork 2-11 to Clare 0-20

2nd of February football league Croke Park Cork 2-9 to Dublin 1-18
8th of February Hurling challenge Togher Cork 1-16 to Limerick 1-14

9th of February football League. Pairc Ui Rinn Cork 2-9 to Kildare 2-10
13th February Football challenge Cork 0-16 to Munster 2-9 at Mallow
23 rd of February Hurling league Pairc Ui Rinn Cork 0-26 to Tippereary 1-11

3rd of March football league in Newry Cork 0-12 to Down 0-10

10th of March hurling league Dungarvan Cork 15 to Waterford 0-12
Same Day Football league in Omagh Cork 0- 14 to Tyrone 0-8

16th March football league Pairc ui Rinn Cork 0-12 to Donegal 0-10
Same day after that game ,Cork hurlers in the league. Cork 1-16 to Clare 1-22

24th of March football league in Tralee Cork 0-7 to Kerry 0-11
Same day in the Hurling League Pearse Stadium Cork hurlers 2-12 to Galway 2-12
31st of March Hurling league Knowlan Park Cork 2-12 to Kilkenny 0-20

7th of April football League Pairc Ui Chaoimh Cork 0-10 to Mayo 0-11
14th of April Relegation Hurling play off Cork 2-22 to Clare 0-31 extra time

2nd of May football challenge in Dungarvan Cork 1-18 to Wexford 2-11
4th of May hurling challenge Kilworth Cork 3-15 to Limerick 1-17
11th of May football challenge Portmarnock Dublin Cork 3-13 to Derry 2-11
12th of May hurling challenge Cloughduv Cork 5-15 to Tippeary 3-21
14th of May football challenge in Pairc Ui Chaoimh Cork 3-15 to Tippereary 0-8
17th of May football challenge in Portlaoise Cork 3-16 to Laois 1-18

25th of May Munster senior football Cork 2-12 to Limerick 0-9 in the Gaelic grounds

1st of June, Football Challenge match in Pairc Ui Chaoimh Cork 2-12 to Fermanagh 0-9
4th of June hurling challenge at Mallow Cork 1-14 to Galway 1-18
16th of June Munster football Ennis Cork 1-20 to Clare 1-11
23rd of June Senior munster hurling at the Gaelic Grounds Cork 0-23 to Clare 0-15

7th of July Munster football final Killarney Cork 0-17 to Kerry 1-16

14th of July Munster hurling final in the Gaelic Grounds cork 0-15 to Limerick 0-24
27th of July football qualifer in Croke Park Cork 1-17 to Galway 1-16
28th of July All Ireland hurling quater final Thurles Cork 0-19 to Kilkenny 0-14


3rd of August football quater final in Croke Park Cork 0-14 to Dublin 1-16
11th of August hurling semi final in Croke Park Cork 1-24 to Dublin 1-19

8th of Septemember All ireland hurling final Croke Park Cork 3-16 to Clare 0-25

28th of Septemember All Ireland Hurling replay Croke Park Cork 3-16 to Clare 5-16

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1st Round Duhallow Invitational Games

Kenmare District bt Clonakilty
Duhallow bt Rathmore/Kilcummin
Muskerry bt East Kerry
Douglas v St. Kierans still to be played

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thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

My mistake I still have it in my brain.Ya a superb paper in its day,a good piece today,and the honesty of Gavin,Kelly,and Conor Sullivan was very good.

The Examiner ,credit where due ,done a great supplement on Midelton last Tuesday.

Saw that alright about Midelton thinkstoomuch. I thought it was good in fairness.

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thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Here is a list of Every Football and Hurling game played at
Inter County Senior football and Inter County Senior Hurling by Cork in the Waterford Crystal,Mcgrath Cup,Hurling and Football leagues and championships played in 2013.

This is separte to training sessions,weekends away,players on either panels would be involved in ,in regards staking a claim.


There is a huge amount of clashes,and games week after week or close to it ,for dual players.Yes ,they wouldnt be expected to play full parts of every game,but the panel would still attend games,as part team building,etc .

The Fotballers had a total of 21 games,the Hurlers had a total of 19 games.

6th January Mcgrath Cup footballers v CIT at CIT Cork 1-15 CIT 0-10

13th January Mcgrath Cup football v Tippereary Cork 1-9 Tippereary 2-9

19th of January Hurling Waterford Crystal V UCC in the Mardyke Cork 3-20 to UCC 1-16

26th of January Waterford Crystal v WIT Pairc Ui Rinn Cork 4-16 to WIT 1-8
27th of January football challenge 0-13 to Laois 0-13 at Stradbally

1st of February
Waterford Crystal hurling in Sixmilebridge Cork 2-11 to Clare 0-20

2nd of February football league Croke Park Cork 2-9 to Dublin 1-18
8th of February Hurling challenge Togher Cork 1-16 to Limerick 1-14

9th of February football League. Pairc Ui Rinn Cork 2-9 to Kildare 2-10
13th February Football challenge Cork 0-16 to Munster 2-9 at Mallow
23 rd of February Hurling league Pairc Ui Rinn Cork 0-26 to Tippereary 1-11

3rd of March football league in Newry Cork 0-12 to Down 0-10

10th of March hurling league Dungarvan Cork 15 to Waterford 0-12
Same Day Football league in Omagh Cork 0- 14 to Tyrone 0-8

16th March football league Pairc ui Rinn Cork 0-12 to Donegal 0-10
Same day after that game ,Cork hurlers in the league. Cork 1-16 to Clare 1-22

24th of March football league in Tralee Cork 0-7 to Kerry 0-11
Same day in the Hurling League Pearse Stadium Cork hurlers 2-12 to Galway 2-12
31st of March Hurling league Knowlan Park Cork 2-12 to Kilkenny 0-20

7th of April football League Pairc Ui Chaoimh Cork 0-10 to Mayo 0-11
14th of April Relegation Hurling play off Cork 2-22 to Clare 0-31 extra time

2nd of May football challenge in Dungarvan Cork 1-18 to Wexford 2-11
4th of May hurling challenge Kilworth Cork 3-15 to Limerick 1-17
11th of May football challenge Portmarnock Dublin Cork 3-13 to Derry 2-11
12th of May hurling challenge Cloughduv Cork 5-15 to Tippeary 3-21
14th of May football challenge in Pairc Ui Chaoimh Cork 3-15 to Tippereary 0-8
17th of May football challenge in Portlaoise Cork 3-16 to Laois 1-18

25th of May Munster senior football Cork 2-12 to Limerick 0-9 in the Gaelic grounds

1st of June, Football Challenge match in Pairc Ui Chaoimh Cork 2-12 to Fermanagh 0-9
4th of June hurling challenge at Mallow Cork 1-14 to Galway 1-18
16th of June Munster football Ennis Cork 1-20 to Clare 1-11
23rd of June Senior munster hurling at the Gaelic Grounds Cork 0-23 to Clare 0-15

7th of July Munster football final Killarney Cork 0-17 to Kerry 1-16

14th of July Munster hurling final in the Gaelic Grounds cork 0-15 to Limerick 0-24
27th of July football qualifer in Croke Park Cork 1-17 to Galway 1-16
28th of July All Ireland hurling quater final Thurles Cork 0-19 to Kilkenny 0-14


3rd of August football quater final in Croke Park Cork 0-14 to Dublin 1-16
11th of August hurling semi final in Croke Park Cork 1-24 to Dublin 1-19

8th of Septemember All ireland hurling final Croke Park Cork 3-16 to Clare 0-25

28th of Septemember All Ireland Hurling replay Croke Park Cork 3-16 to Clare 5-16

Looking back at the hurling replay, To concede 5-16 in a final and still be in it up to the 72min was unbelievable. I would be slightly hopeful that Cork can come back in 2014 and finish the job. Obviously a few new players are needed. We have a good record of winning All Irelands on the 4th year of the decade after loosing year before.

thinkstoomuch1

Not long to go,just days for the start of the season.Next weekend in Mallow, the Mcgrath cup v LIT.

The hurling panel should be named in January.


Winners play ucc or ul in the semifinal.
Probarbly thursday before ,the team is named,and while its only Lit,we will get some idea of the direction were going by the team named.


You cant read too much in to big wins,but the least requirement is a win,as in all honesty we should be winning the games against college teams.If we were to beaten by kerry in the final that is different.


But cork should be getting to the final,unlike last year,these lads have been training already from Novemeber bar this week,being the week off.

I remember Cork playing Tippereary in this last year and been beaten,by a blanket defence ,and not learning one thing from the game.

Its enevitable,the team will loose games,but there must be a mininum threshold of performance set.

For example,i dont expect us to beat Mayo or dublin away in the league,a tall order for most teams,however ,no matter how many new players we have,game likes,westmeath and derry at home,are games simply,we should not be loosing.


And Lit next saturday fall in to that list.I would greatly fear for us this year in the football to be honest.Winning an all ireland,is way off,we would do well to win munster,stay up in the league and get to an all ireland semifinal.


That should ,or around that be the minium level of performance expected of management this year,but like most Cork jobs,their is no mininum expected standard set.This management team needs time yes,but I guarantee you like all before them,if results are not up to scratch,they will be given long terms if they want them.


As regards the Hurling ,the potential is there,but this dual lark and the fact that Cadogan seems to be identifed as the answer at 3 or 6 is worrying in that ,they are basically saying they have little face in joyce or spillane or even egan etc.



Cadogan hurling has to be 100 per cent against Clare,and Kilkenny,anywhere near 70 per cent that it was even if that in 2012,,and he will be in trouble.Agression and physicality is grand to a point,but against these teams where touch is their top class,he needs to be the same.He needs a lot ,of hurling,very little done the last year,i can't see it happening with football he's priority.


The panel will tell us a lot,what was learned from last year.If the same faces as last year are there ,its not good.There must be a clearout of at least three from last year.

thinkstoomuch1

Cork team being named for Sunday tonight.Ist team under ,Cuthbhert,and thank God,its unlikely to be a dummy team.

thinkstoomuch1

CORK SENIOR FOOTBALL TEAM V LIT (MCGRATH CUP) 31/12/2013
The Cork Senior Football team to play LIT in the McGrath Cup at 2pm on Sunday in Mallow will line out as follows:

1. Ryan Price O’Donovan Rossa
2. John McLoughlin Kanturk
3. Eoin Cadogan Douglas
4. Noel Galvin Ballincollig
5. James Loughrey Mallow
6. Alan Sheehan Dohenys
7. Kevin O’Driscoll Tadhg MacCárthaigh
8. Aidan Walsh Kanturk
9. Fintan Goold Macroom
10. Colm O’Driscoll Tadhg MacCárthaigh
11. Mark Sugrue Bandon
12. Andrew O’Sullivan Castletownbere
13. Daniel Goulding Éire Óg
14. Donncha O’Connor Ballydesmond
15. John Hayes Carbery Rangers

Subs:
16. Ken O’Halloran Bishopstown
17. Colin Lyons St. Finbarr’s
18. Sean Murphy Ballydesmond
19. Micheál Ó Laoire Naomh Abán
20. Kevin Crowley Millstreet
21. Killian O’Connor Mallow

This will be manager Brian Cuthbert's first competitive game at the helm, and while there are a number of new faces named in the squad, most have played football for Cork at some level. Of the starting fifteen, Eoin Cadogan, Aidan Walsh, Daniel Goulding, Donncha O'Connor and John Hayes played in the 2010 All-Ireland Final, while Fintan Goold was also involved that year.

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The Cork Senior Football team to play LIT in the McGrath Cup at 2pm on Sunday in Mallow will line out as follows:

1. Ryan Price O’Donovan Rossa
2. John McLoughlin Kanturk
3. Eoin Cadogan Douglas
4. Noel Galvin Ballincollig
5. James Loughrey Mallow
6. Alan Sheehan Dohenys
7. Kevin O’Driscoll Tadhg MacCárthaigh
8. Aidan Walsh Kanturk
9. Fintan Goold Macroom
10. Colm O’Driscoll Tadhg MacCárthaigh
11. Mark Sugrue Bandon
12. Andrew O’Sullivan Castletownbere
13. Daniel Goulding Éire Óg
14. Donncha O’Connor Ballydesmond
15. John Hayes Carbery Rangers

Subs:
16. Ken O’Halloran Bishopstown
17. Colin Lyons St. Finbarr’s
18. Sean Murphy Ballydesmond
19. Micheál Ó Laoire Naomh Abán
20. Kevin Crowley Millstreet
21. Killian O’Connor Mallow

This will be manager Brian Cuthbert's first competitive game at the helm, and while there are a number of new faces named in the squad, most have played football for Cork at some level. Of the starting fifteen, Eoin Cadogan, Aidan Walsh, Daniel Goulding, Donncha O'Connor and John Hayes played in the 2010 All-Ireland Final, while Fintan Goold was also involved that year.

thinkstoomuch1

Team picked pretty strong,bar a few weak aeras.
Great to see Noel Galvin get a run,a very good,tough defender.
Gould at midfield,and Mark Sugrue is postitve.I just pray to Jesus Sugrue is not called up by JBM,for the Hurling now ,as we don't need another dual star.
John Mcloughlin ,is not intercounty,you would have hoped they would have learned from he's games last year and in the league against kerry.Even 6 weeks ago ,for Kanturk against Glanworth in Mallow he was exposed time and again for lack of pace.

Andrew the Butcher O Sullivan had enough games last year and failed to impress.He is not at this level.Sheehan at centre back,I worry for.Sunday should tell us a bit more.
What is good to see and credit the management for bringing Kevin Crowley in as a sub,and Michael O Laoire who wasnt in the panel named.
O laoire is a fine footballer.
John hayes,expect him to get four or five points,these games he thrives,but shouldnt be on the panel as in Championship he is not tough enough for it.

An interesting sub player is Killan O Connor Mallow,a dual minor this year,a big strong, u21 the next 3 years.
Be interesting to watch him,plays at centre forward.Highly unlikey to make the cut with so many other top foqwards ahead of him.
You would wonder was it a token jesture,two mallow lads there to draw the locals but in fairness this lad can play and score.Very good in both games against kerry this year.Loughrey wears the Mallow jersey and automatic choice,but is not home grown ,so Killian is the ist mallow man to wear the red since Cian O Riordain back in 2008 I think when he was great against kerry under lights in pairc u rinn.

Cathal vaughan got four points against east kerry the weekend in the duahallow cup,but is involved with them and so I would say that is why he is not involved sunday.


A good strong team named overall.The next goal is to see cork aim to kick more.I wouldn't be too bothered if we had a lot of sloppy passes Sunday,as long as the attitude is to kick first we can improve on the rest.

Application may not and understandably so be perfect,but we must see desire,and intent to move the ball in to space and at pace on Sunday.That would bring a tear to my eye,as we have not done that in years.
That would do for Sunday.
As the games wear on,we can and should expect to see progress.

No idea what LIT will field,but Cork should be winning this well,and everyone gets a run.Anything less or if we see slow,lateral laboured handpassing will be a major dissapointment.

Cant wait for 2pm Sunday.

A very happy and safe 2014 to all .

slingerz

Cathal Vaughan is with CIT for the McGrath Cup

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thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Team picked pretty strong,bar a few weak aeras.
Great to see Noel Galvin get a run,a very good,tough defender.
Gould at midfield,and Mark Sugrue is postitve.I just pray to Jesus Sugrue is not called up by JBM,for the Hurling now ,as we don't need another dual star.
John Mcloughlin ,is not intercounty,you would have hoped they would have learned from he's games last year and in the league against kerry.Even 6 weeks ago ,for Kanturk against Glanworth in Mallow he was exposed time and again for lack of pace.

Andrew the Butcher O Sullivan had enough games last year and failed to impress.He is not at this level.Sheehan at centre back,I worry for.Sunday should tell us a bit more.
What is good to see and credit the management for bringing Kevin Crowley in as a sub,and Michael O Laoire who wasnt in the panel named.
O laoire is a fine footballer.
John hayes,expect him to get four or five points,these games he thrives,but shouldnt be on the panel as in Championship he is not tough enough for it.

An interesting sub player is Killan O Connor Mallow,a dual minor this year,a big strong, u21 the next 3 years.
Be interesting to watch him,plays at centre forward.Highly unlikey to make the cut with so many other top foqwards ahead of him.
You would wonder was it a token jesture,two mallow lads there to draw the locals but in fairness this lad can play and score.Very good in both games against kerry this year.Loughrey wears the Mallow jersey and automatic choice,but is not home grown ,so Killian is the ist mallow man to wear the red since Cian O Riordain back in 2008 I think when he was great against kerry under lights in pairc u rinn.

Cathal vaughan got four points against east kerry the weekend in the duahallow cup,but is involved with them and so I would say that is why he is not involved sunday.


A good strong team named overall.The next goal is to see cork aim to kick more.I wouldn't be too bothered if we had a lot of sloppy passes Sunday,as long as the attitude is to kick first we can improve on the rest.

Application may not and understandably so be perfect,but we must see desire,and intent to move the ball in to space and at pace on Sunday.That would bring a tear to my eye,as we have not done that in years.
That would do for Sunday.
As the games wear on,we can and should expect to see progress.

No idea what LIT will field,but Cork should be winning this well,and everyone gets a run.Anything less or if we see slow,lateral laboured handpassing will be a major dissapointment.

Cant wait for 2pm Sunday.

A very happy and safe 2014 to all .

Ha that is gas. funny that you think he would play a game like that over Cork.

Cork should win this handy but will also show what a number of players are like. Can't see Alan Sheehan, two O'Driscolls making the cut. Was wondering where Ray Carey was but I suppose he wont play this due to Clyda involvement. He could do with this came.

I like this competition because you get to see plenty of players in action with Cork and with the colleges also. There will nearly be more Cork players playing with CIT, UCC and UL than Cork themselves. I thought Sugrue and Kevin Crowley would be playing with their college though.

thinkstoomuch1

Yeah ,I would have thought Sugrue and Crowley would have been with the College also.
Vaughan would in all possibilty get more of a test against East Kerry ,than he would against LIT.

I agree totally with Sheehan,no where near intercounty,a solid season if even that with Douglas,not up to this level.
In games like Sunday the opposistion will be so piss poor ,that the game shouldn't play players on the Cork team if they play well,judgement must be reserved for tougher tests ,but at the same time,if players cant perform in these games ,they shouldn't be getting chance after chance.
Lit,i would imagine be made up of mostly Clare and Limerick lads with maybe a Galway,Mayo or Kerry lad in there.


Ray Carey is with Clyda,they have Kilteragh in a two weeks.He has been superb at full back for Clyda,and I have praised him for them many times here.However,intercounty is a completly different kettle of fish,and I don't think he is at that level.
Superb in 2009,he was tenacious,sticky,i thought he was a clone of Anthony Lynch.If he had started the final instead of the awful kieran o connor,but for injury ,Cork would have won.
For whatever reason,he never recaptured that form,2010,and was dismal ,and exposed time and again.

He looks great for Clyda ,due to they play 12 men behind the ball,meaning he is less exposed to fast ball in to hes aera ,and he is isnt as turned as much ,as clyda defend space rather than orthdox man to marking,and in intercounty the pace Dublin,kerry,and mayo counter attack,added with the Black card,he could and would exposed sooner or later,as with less of the blanket style defence next year there will be space.To counter that ,you must have good ,corner backs,than can defend first and foremost.


Good to see O Leary on the bench,superb in 2011 with Walsh at U21,,he is deemed light in stature by some,but then Kevin Canty,and Eoin Keane are no different,and leary has way better footballing skills than those two put together,and laoire appreciates and plays in to space.Could be a great foil for walsh.Deserves a chance anyway.


Anybody want to see how football should not be played,and has the stomach to watch a painful hour of it,and how Cork went against the basics of good attacking play,then watch tG4 at 7ish,they are showing Cork v Galway,in a game we were truly haunted to win.

People had expected us to stroll it,I had said in the lead up we would struggle ,such was the lack of direction under Counihan last year.


Noel galvin is good news and has it all and himself or Jamie sul ,with Shields in one corner are the best options for corner back.
Mcloughlin would struggle on the Cork Junior team,to be honest.


O'Driscoll brothers deseve a chance,particulary colm,who I would rather see half back than half forward.Sugrue had a great season with the u21 team last year and deserves a chance.

An interesting choice and a turn of the tables is Pryce in goal.Normally we loose lads to other codes,but we have got him from soccer.
He won a Munster youth medal with with Cork City as a goal keeper and was second to Mark Mcnulty with the 1st team so it was always going to be hard to break in to the team.

Hes agility as you would expect is very good.The only worry is,he has stated many a time,soccer is he's first choice over gaelic,and if a club comes calling mid summer will he go.

If the commitment is gaelic ,then yes he could be an addition to the panel,but with Dual players lost to hurling,we must not be a risk of loosing more.

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thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

An interesting choice and a turn of the tables is Pryce in goal.Normally we loose lads to other codes,but we have got him from soccer.
He won a Munster youth medal with with Cork City as a goal keeper and was second to Mark Mcnulty with the 1st team so it was always going to be hard to break in to the team.

Massive exaggeration to say that he was even that high in the pecking order