Cork GAA Discussion Thread

bennyl10

Jamie Cal wrote: »

So proud lads, so proud. I knew we were the only team to stand up to the Cats in the all-Ireland we did. Best win in years & years.

Yano except dublin who beat them also..

ShamoBuc

bennyl10 wrote: »

Yano except dublin who beat them also..

Dublin only landed a few punches.......it took the Rebels to Knock them out.;)

Thinkstoomuch

Amprodude wrote: »

Best Cork win since the All Ireland final 2005.

Absoultety,with out ,murphy,Pebbles,sweetnham,cadogan,Niall mac from last year,a truly truly,astonising moment.

This is our all backs 1978 moment withoubt a doubt.

rebeve

beeroclock wrote: »

As JBM says Cork teams are like mushrooms they can come up overnight

Tis been a satisfying Sunday to say the least

Twas frank that said that .

Thinkstoomuch

rebeve wrote: »

Twas frank that said that .[/quote

Think it orignally came from a KK man,paddy grace.

Jbm said many times he does not believe it,it is rubbish he said.

The_Kew_Tour

what a ****ing day

get in ya beauty.

spider77

Thinkstoomuch wrote: »

Dublin be tough,but beatable.But i want limerick.Galway win today,an open draw.

I want limerick again.Unfinished business.They do not want us again.

You will have to wait until the final to have a go off us great win today.

Jamie Cal

bennyl10 wrote: »

Yano except dublin who beat them also..

The All-Ireland's a whole different animal, boss.

Amprodude

bennyl10 wrote: »

Yano except dublin who beat them also..

Well technically they did no doubt in Lenister championship but ......it wasn't a do or die situation as both teams were still in championship no matter if they won or not. Dublin and Kilkenny would be going through back door no matter if they lost in Leinster and still had a second chance.

This wasn't an option today. It was knock out.

Nonoperational

Over the moon.

Canyon86

Canyon86 wrote: »

Hurling

The last time cork were written off for a slaughtering against clare, look what happened, cork gave a solid performance,

I belive that the build up will suit cork really as there is less pressure than that facing Killkenny,

The cats are after four tough tough games so they ll be battle rady but at the same time tired!

lets seeeeeee

I told ye folks.. up the fcuking rebels :):)

Thinkstoomuch

Nonoperational wrote: »

Over the moon.

I remember when Cork won in 99,and at the end of the Sunday game,they played snippets of every team that won the all ireland in 9o's,as it was the end of the century and showed all the teams that made Croke park their fields of Gold.It played the song as the Sound track to it"fields of gold.

Thurles like 1984 was our fields of gold today.As good as an all ireland,when you see where this team came from.


So proud of Cork,nothing greater to be walking about town tngt,with a cork jersey, collar out,proud as punch.

Whats great to see is many ,are wearing the old Esat jersey,back to the old days of 99.

JBM and management deserve sum credit,and Matthews has done a fine job also.

Amprodude

Canyon86 wrote: »

I told ye folks.. up the fcuking rebels :):)

We need to be written off again against Dublin.

Thinkstoomuch

Canyon86 wrote: »

I told ye folks.. up the fcuking rebels :):)

In fairness you did,fair play.I felt their was a perferomance but with a weak bench bar 2,i thought we would be short.

Thinkstoomuch

Amprodude wrote: »

We need to be written off again against Dublin.

Suits cork down to ground.We played them ten times,they won just 2 ,i think.

This is a different team though.They have the weight of the Hill on them.

We beat in a qualfier in the park in 08,i think,they have 8 panel involved,we have around 4,if i am right.

Their a big physical team,so Croke park on a dry day,is what we need.

We can think about them,from 2mrrow,today is such a great day,we enjoy today first.

Amprodude

Thinkstoomuch wrote: »

I remember when Cork won in 99,and at the end of the Sunday game,they played snippets of every team that won the all ireland in 9o's,as it was the end of the century and showed all the teams that made Croke park their fields of Gold.It played the song as the Sound track to it"fields of gold.

Thurles like 1984 was our fields of gold today.As good as an all ireland,when you see where this team came from.


So proud of Cork,nothing greater to be walking about town tngt,with a cork jersey, collar out,proud as punch..

Whats great to see is many ,are wearing the old Esat jersey,back to the old days of 99.

JBM and management deserve sum credit,and Matthews has done a fine job also.

Remember that so well about the Sunday Game in 99. It was brilliant. I think they went back to the 80's as well.

Thinkstoomuch

spider77 wrote: »

You will have to wait until the final to have a go off us great win today.

Be sum final,and if was to be beaten by any team,id rather it be Limerick,close ties with limerick.

A lot of hurling to be played yet by both sides.

beeroclock

rebeve wrote: »

Twas frank that said that .

Sound, thought it was JBM

Roll on ye dubs (in both outings)

Thinkstoomuch

Amprodude wrote: »

Remember that so well about the Sunday Game in 99. It was brilliant. I think they went back to the 80's as well.

Played the song on Cd in the car,nearly brought me to tears,relive it all.

They did,they showed Seanie great goal in thurles in 84.

Thinkstoomuch

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Cork manager Jimmy Barry Murphy
The great, redemptive pilgrimage hasn't quite recommenced in Cork.
Few men know better than Jimmy Barry-Murphy how the county's hurlers had a name, historically, for claiming sudden ownership of summer. Jim Barry's line of '66 still gets lazily recycled, a gentle but bogus wisdom that never really held up to serious scrutiny.
The notion of Cork hurlers having the gift of rising "like mushrooms" overnight belongs in the realm of make-believe, particularly in a dominion familiar with black and amber stripes.
"A load of rubbish," sighs Barry-Murphy. "It just doesn't happen. At least, not unless the opposition are average. And, right now, they aren't!"
For a man whose time as a player was more a movie than a career, it would be understandable if the lost glory of Cork hurling offended his natural view of the world. But if Barry-Murphy has always been the epitome of sophistication in battle, he is also hostile to any notion of entitlement.
Perhaps his return for a second stint as Cork manager articulated that humility best. For this, palpably, was no case of a golden ticket awaiting collection. Cork's last All-Ireland U-21 title was delivered in '98, their last minor crown three years later. The culture of winning has been lost.
And now, as he prepares a just relegated senior team for championship, there is no doubting the prevailing vibe within the county. Cork haven't even reached a senior Munster final since '06, cultivating what Barry-Murphy terms "a lot of negativity" as they now attempt to bridge that gap.
THREADBARE

Tomorrow's opponents, Clare, have beaten his team three times already this season. That the third of those defeats was delivered through a threadbare, extra-time verdict seems to cut no ice with the sceptics. For it doomed Cork to an accursed drop into Division 1B of the National League.
It was as if they left the league in ankle-chains.
If there was an over-reaction to that predicament, it didn't necessarily surprise Barry-Murphy. "No one likes to be relegated," he says evenly. "And there seems to be terrible negativity about playing in 1B, but I wasn't looking at it that way at all.
"We did it before when I was manager in 98/99. We were relegated and toured the country, played all the counties. We played Meath in Trim and won a very tough game. Played Laois in Rathdowney and they beat us. So, that doesn't worry me.
"In actual fact, I believe it can give you a chance to bring younger players through, give them a chance to develop and see how it goes. As it happens, I thought we had quite a good league this year. We lost to Kilkenny by two points in Nowlan Park. A draw there and we'd have made the semi-final.
"It was that fine a line."
In '99, Cork built on the experience to become All-Ireland champions. That memory, though, seems quaint to the point of eccentricity now. For hurling is played on profoundly different terms today, lives being lived to a more complex beat.
Through the winter, stories of disharmony within Barry-Murphy's management team stalked their every move. Social media was ablaze with rumour, half-truths and an assortment of elaborate fictions. Barry-Murphy's decision to let some decorated old soldiers go seemed to deepen the lust for bad news.
Much of what passes for gossip in Cork hurling is still framed today in the Civil War language of the strikes. And, for those trying to move towards a better future, this obsession with the past is bewildering.
As Barry-Murphy sees it: "I'm not on social media, but people tell me things, they show me things on phones I don't particularly want to see. I mean, earlier in the year there was a lot of negativity in Cork based on online websites within the county. When I heard what was being said, I was appalled.
"But I attach no credence to it because the people writing that stuff don't put their name to anything. So, I just dismiss those people without even a thought. There's a lot of that in Cork though. When you've had the strikes and all that, with a massive amount of comment in relation to pro and anti, you still hear that stuff from people.
"'So-and-so is with the strikers ... ' that kind of thing. When I took up this job, I had no interest whatsoever in that and I didn't get involved in any of it. My only interest was and is in Cork hurling.
"I'm quite old-fashioned I suppose. I mean, you do get a lot of 'did you hear ... ' over something someone will have said on Twitter. A player tweets and the tweet is then put to you by the media. That's fair enough, because it's in the public domain then.
"But it drives me mad. It's something I find frustrating in that you have tittle-tattle being followed up by people you'd expect better from."
The fundamental creed of Barry-Murphy's Cork today is one that covets trust then. His decision to move on without iconic figures like Sean Og O hAilpin, John Gardiner and – maybe most pertinently – Donal Og Cusack was interpreted as some kind of mission statement.
Cusack's departure drew Twitter criticism Barry-Murphy's way from, among others, last year's centre-back, Eoin Cadogan. The manager doesn't pretend to be indifferent to such calls.
"No I don't portray myself as a hard man at all, far from it," he reflects. "I don't like doing that. But if I feel a decision has to be made for the benefit of the panel or the team, whether that's substituting players in big games or not starting players or leaving players off the panel, I'll do it.
"There's a lot of players around Cork I'll tell you wouldn't be thinking too nicely of me for what I've done over the years. But my conscience is clear. If I'm wrong, I'll live by it no problem. It's all about trusting your judgment."
ENERGY

He still loves the energy of a hurling summer then, but loathes that hunger for an angle.
The Cork panel has a policy of not tweeting anything in relation to team matters, albeit such strictures can never exactly be watertight. He describes the current group as "intensely dedicated" and eschews any temptation to lament the psychological cuts suffered through a combination of winter defections, injuries and – in team-captain Pa Cronin's case – illness.
If relegation defined Cork's league campaign, it didn't truthfully represent their form. In a famously tight division, they paid for draws with Waterford and Galway and a narrow loss to Kilkenny.
They beat Tipperary by 12 points at Pairc Ui Rinn before suffering the one, categorical setback of the campaign, a six-point loss to Clare at the same venue.
That game hurt because, at the time, it left unanswered questions.
"We'd been quite comfortable in that game without playing brilliantly," recalls Barry-Murphy. "Then Clare came out and literally ran riot in the second half. We didn't seem to have an answer to them and that was a worry. But we spoke about that and addressed it.
"I was very impressed with Clare. They're superbly coached and superbly fit. Davy Fitzgerald has done a very good job with them."
The subsequent relegation play-off carried a faint thread of recidivism in that Cork, again, failed to close out a game they could have won. But the margins this time were miniscule. "It was anyone's game," he remembers. "Had one or two things gone our way, we'd have escaped."
To some degree, the relentless drain of personnel has clouded accurate assessment of progress on Barry-Murphy's first 18 months back at the helm.
Cork ratcheted their fitness work under Dave Matthews to accommodate a decent league run last season, the strategy carrying them all the way to final day and a bruising reality check against Kilkenny. Cork's efforts were the equivalent to tossing paper airplanes at a tank.
"Blown away by naivety mainly on the part of the back-room team," reflects Barry-Murphy. "I took a lot of the blame for that myself because I should have realised that, when there's silverware on display, the Kilkenny boys develop a different mindset. But that was a great lesson for us I thought."
Cork would finish the year edged out of an entertaining All-Ireland semi-final by Galway. Objectively, there seemed a good deal more positives than negatives. It just didn't feel that way in Cork.
"We were very competitive in that game against Galway, but that seemed to have been lost somewhere in the meantime," says Barry-Murphy. "Now maybe time will tell that they (the sceptics) are right.
"But I thought last year was very encouraging and we're hoping that the young players who came through will be better again this year."
He watches Kilkenny stockpile trophies and proclaims nothing but admiration for what they do. Indeed, he is bemused by those who allude to Kilkenny's physicality as some kind of dark side taken to an art form.
"I'm a huge fan of Kilkenny's," says Barry-Murphy. "I mean I've read a lot of stuff about them playing on the edge and all the old cliches about being over the top. To me, it's a load of rubbish. They're a fantastic team. I think they're tough, hard and playing to the maximum of their abilities, something they achieve by massive dedication to hurling.
"That's what I want to get in Cork. That's my only ambition. I mean people talk about Jackie Tyrrell, whom I think is a magnificent corner-back, being over-physical. It's rubbish. Tommy Walsh, the same.
"The one advantage they have is their total focus is on hurling. That's a massive factor. We'd love to have that in Cork and it's what we're trying to attain.
"I mean, realistically, you can think of three or four players who would be in our match-day panel for Clare this weekend if we only played hurling. But that's life in Cork. When you take on the job, you know all these minuses.
"That said, I love the way Kilkenny play the game. I like the manly way they take it. And I love the way they take their defeat when they're beaten and just get on with it. That's the way I want to be."
He believes that, in time, Cork can again be in a position to challenge the stripey men, but only if they commit to doing so on their own terms. "You play the cards you've been dealt," he says. "I don't think we can play their style of hurling. We've a different type of player.
"I mean I constantly hear people in Cork pining for 'big, strong men.' Big, strong men who are useless hurlers? That's the alternative and we don't want that. So, we're trying to develop something that suits our players.
"But it's hard to get there, because we're coming from a long way down."
The lack of recent underage success creates a psychological obstacle, though one – he suspects – to be occasionally over-stated. Many of the current Cork squad lost a Munster U-21 semi-final in extra-time to Tipp's All-Ireland winning team of 2010.
If there is ground to make up in their minds, Barry-Murphy doesn't regard it as a job for a sports psychologist.
"We don't have one in our set-up," he says candidly. "I think there are enough of us around the team who have won All-Irelands. Every one of us has won All-Ireland medals, we've all played at the highest level, we've all coached. I think we know enough to get inside the players' heads now.
"That's just my opinion. Some people around me might think I'm very old-fashioned, but I just have my own way of doing things. I mean I read all the cliches, control the controllables and all that. Maybe I'm wrong. Time might tell that they need this type of thing but, as far as I'm concerned, I think I can do that."
He doesn't anticipate a huge Cork following in Limerick tomorrow, even if Tipperary's recent eviction has levelled the playing-field in Munster. Indeed, Barry-Murphy says he was surprised that maroon so visibly dominated red on the Croke Park terraces last August.
"It probably confirmed that people don't really see us as being serious contenders again," he says. "Because Cork fans, to be fair, are like everybody else. I'm not going to bluff around it here, they're great supporters when we're winning.
"There'd be a huge buzz now if they thought we had a chance of winning the All-Ireland. But they're not entirely fools either. I mean maybe we simply won't be good enough to beat Clare. If that's the case, there's nothing you can do about it.
"But we've got some very promising players and I really am excited by them. And I'd certainly be hopeful we'll give a very good account of ourselves."

Thinkstoomuch

Right at the start,is the mushroom theory.First said by KK chairman Paddy grace,then by Jim Barry,and then Corks own crowd believed the hype and rubbish.

Rebel Fan

Just back from the match, a great victory, I haven't stopped smiling since half 3 today!!! A special word for the Kilkenny supporters, very disappointed but very gracious in defeat, the greatest team of all time draws to a close I think. As for us, it was a great win but nothing won yet. Dublin will be a big game but I have a sneaking feeling well beat em, we look like a team on a roll now. Backs won the game for us today, Kilkenny didn't get a sniff, we were immense. Glad to see we've ditched the running game and gone back to the traditions of cork hurling, quick ball into the corners and the forwards there to do damage. Roll on Sunday week and a full house at Croke park, JBM doing the business again hopefully, CORCAIGH ABU!!!!!!!!!

TheBigGreen

Great weekend to be a Cork man!

Footballers still winning without playing well, Dublin will be a huge test. Hurlers are flying and will win the AI now.

Corcaigh84

Amprodude wrote: »

Hard to believe Cody has never beaten JBM in championship.

Believe it boy - JBM = God!

Thinkstoomuch

The greatest win ever against them,better than 78,and 04 and even 1966 as then we either had expierenced Corks teams or in 66 6 U21 all ireland medal winners.

With all our injuries,the team we played,and where we came from the greatest of them all.

The question every Cork man will be asked is where were you on the 28th of July 2013.

Heaven and Thurles.

realdanbreen

realdanbreen wrote: »

I'm a Tipp man and I think that Cork @10-1 are great value to win the all Ireland.
A very average Waterford team playing badly sholud have beaten Kilkenny on Saturday night.:cool:

I actualy got Cork @ 12-1 at the time!:D

Thinkstoomuch

At least we still have a team to talk about for the next two weeks with the hurlers.

We would have a chance with the footballers,if CC was half the manager JBM was.

Realt Dearg Sec

Congratulations on the win yesterday, well deserved. Ye had us beaten over every blade of grass really, so while I still think Barry Kelly was criminally bad yesterday, that shouldn't take from your win at all. Enjoy it.

Moving to Cork in September now, so hopefully Dublin will beat ye out the gate in a couple of weeks so I wont have to listen to the sound of Cork men when they're winning. Ye are, of course, welcome to all the football All Irelands ye like. Go nuts.

Thinkstoomuch

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

Congratulations on the win yesterday, well deserved. Ye had us beaten over every blade of grass really, so while I still think Barry Kelly was criminally bad yesterday, that shouldn't take from your win at all. Enjoy it.

Moving to Cork in September now, so hopefully Dublin will beat ye out the gate in a couple of weeks so I wont have to listen to the sound of Cork men when they're winning. Ye are, of course, welcome to all the football All Irelands ye like. Go nuts.

Why mention Kelly,then if it shoudnt take from our win.

Bitter KK men,who make comments like that,make this win sweeter than all the rest.

The fact is me included believed we wont win the all ireland this year at the start of the year.Even after yesterday,i did not say we would.

We can beat Dublin but it will be very hard.

Whatever happens,from where Cork hurling is at ,a dire underage structure,partially funded development squads,a five year hurling plan that relies too much on already over burdened Volunteers,missing 7 key players from last year,no all ireland underage winner yesterday,from where we came from to beat KK ,and out hurl them ,makes this year a huge success.

I want all irelands but when you seer our problems,and failure by our board to acknowlege them,to knock KK out is up their with winning an all ireland.

JBM on hes own is practially keeping Cork hurling alive,as a hammering yesterday,and we would loose more players to the football.

Beaten fair and square by the better team yesterday.

Rightwing

Well done Cork. Basically wiped the floor with KK. JBM outsmarted Cody.

I'm afraid it's Cork's all ireland to lose now.