The Killing [AMC] [** Spoilers **]

don ramo

Skerries wrote: »

did they resolve the murder in the Danish version?

yeah but it was 20 episodes and was suppose to only be one season long, it got a second due to how popular it was, wheras the US one was planned to be more than one season,

TwoShedsJackson

don ramo wrote: »

yeah but it was 20 episodes and was suppose to only be one season long, it got a second due to how popular it was, wheras the US one was planned to be more than one season,

3rd season due late this year too.

brian_t

This starts next Thursday on Channel 4.

It will be interesting to see if the ratings keep up considering that most viewers will probably be aware that there is no conclusion reached in the last episode.

This is an article about it in The Independent.
"It’s a crime to remake a cult hit"
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/features/itrsquos-a-crime-to-remake-a-cult-hit-2304473.html

red dave

Just finished watching this series last night. I enjoyed most of it although I did skip through a lot of the bits with the family in the second half of the series. I felt very underwhelmed after that last episode with the killer not found. That was very dissapointing.

I'll watch the first episode of the 2nd season to see who the killer is. I think it's either the Aunt, the security from the casino, the political assistant guy or the millionairre :rolleyes:

I'm not sure I'll watch any more of it after that. Will make my mind up after the start of the second season I guess.

RolandIRL

just finished watching the finale...felt badly done. the thing about Holder seems like it was just tagged on at the end when they decided "oh, let's make the whole murder a big conspiracy"

seems stupid that Richmond's campaign manager would be involved. she knew the "truth" about Richmond being out the night of the murder and coming back soaked, but didn't say until the end. sorry but that just feels like the writers only made that up for the final episode. no build up to it, just came out of nowhere.

and we still don't know who killed Rosie...won't be watching Season 2 after that finale. feel cheated after the huge red herring :mad:

brian_t

red dave wrote: »

I'll watch the first episode of the 2nd season to see who the killer is.

I wonder if someone will do a poll on whether people think it will be solved in the first episode or drag on till later in the series.
I don't expect it to solved in the first episode.

colly_06

Been watching this on Channel 4, gave in and watched the rest of the season online. Got to say one of the best shows I've ever seen.

I'm guessing that the Mayor might have payed off Holder to turn in that picture to win the election or else he has some beef with him that could relate to his sister. I hope it turns out to be something innocent because I really liked Holder and wouldn't like to see him be a bad guy.

When Sarah inevitably returns back to finish off the case does she stay for the next case in season 2, does the Danish one stay?

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

colly_06 wrote: »

Been watching this on Channel 4, gave in and watched the rest of the season online. Got to say one of the best shows I've ever seen.

I....d.... what?

Tipsy McSwagger

colly_06 wrote: »

Been watching this on Channel 4, gave in and watched the rest of the season online. Got to say one of the best shows I've ever seen.

I'm guessing that the Mayor might have payed off Holder to turn in that picture to win the election or else he has some beef with him that could relate to his sister. I hope it turns out to be something innocent because I really liked Holder and wouldn't like to see him be a bad guy.

When Sarah inevitably returns back to finish off the case does she stay for the next case in season 2, does the Danish one stay?

I have seen the script for the first episode of the new series and the killer is............................

the basketball that the rich guy gave to the mayor;).

don ramo

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

I....d.... what?

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

I have seen the script for the first episode of the new series and the killer is............................

the basketball that the rich guy gave to the mayor;).

people are entitled to there opinons lads, i liked the show also, i didnt expect a conclusion, why the hell anyone expected one is still beyond me, it was planned to be a multiseries show, therefore no tieing off of loose ends in the last episode, plus it works much better when watched in blocks, almost 80-90% of shows drag when watched week by week,

don ramo

colly_06 wrote: »

I'm guessing that the Mayor might have payed off Holder to turn in that picture to win the election or else he has some beef with him that could relate to his sister. I hope it turns out to be something innocent because I really liked Holder and wouldn't like to see him be a bad guy.

id say it goes further than that, holder isnt a bad guy, he requested the bridge photos under lindens badge number knowing that they would phone linden with the photos, so as soon as she got the call she knew something was up,

id say holer is caught up in somthing and has to be very carefull what he does, he a recovering drug addict so someone obviouly has something on him, and is using him,

Tipsy McSwagger

don ramo wrote: »

people are entitled to there opinons lads, i liked the show also, i didnt expect a conclusion, why the hell anyone expected one is still beyond me, it was planned to be a multiseries show, therefore no tieing off of loose ends in the last episode, plus it works much better when watched in blocks, almost 80-90% of shows drag when watched week by week,

No it wasn't. Why else would there be so much outrage after the 'final' episode. It doesn't work well in blocks because it simply doesn't work well at all. The show ended up taking the piss out of the viewer and treating the audience as if they are stupid but it backfired spectacularly.

The Marlboro Man

Just finished watching season 1 of the superior Danish series. Quality viewing!!

It went a bit 'Hollywood' towards the end, but who cares, I guess.

Up there with The Wire....almost.

don ramo

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

No it wasn't. Why else would there be so much outrage after the 'final' episode. It doesn't work well in blocks because it simply doesn't work well at all. The show ended up taking the piss out of the viewer and treating the audience as if they are stupid but it backfired spectacularly.

of course it was planned as a multi series, every series is planned as a multiseries, the original version was 20 episodes long, this was 13 episodes long, 20 doesnt go into 13, if the original was 20 episodes and highly aclaimed why in the name of god would you condense it,

im still wondering why people were outraged, so the murder wasnt solved at the end, so what, theres probably 100 shows that done that over the last 30 years, its called a cliffhanger, fair enough i wouldnt put the killings cliffhanger in my top 10 maybe not even 20, but i wasnt shocked or taken aback when it left the investigation open at the end,

also for every negative review theres a positive, people here tend to pay more attention to the negative,

seadnamac

don ramo wrote: »

of course it was planned as a multi series, every series is planned as a multiseries, the original version was 20 episodes long, this was 13 episodes long, 20 doesnt go into 13, if the original was 20 episodes and highly aclaimed why in the name of god would you condense it,

im still wondering why people were outraged, so the murder wasnt solved at the end, so what, theres probably 100 shows that done that over the last 30 years, its called a cliffhanger, fair enough i wouldnt put the killings cliffhanger in my top 10 maybe not even 20, but i wasnt shocked or taken aback when it left the investigation open at the end,

It wasn't planned as a multi season series and no matter how many times you try to claim it was it doesn't make it so. This has been admitted by the shows own producer for god sake. The fact that the original had 20 episodes is completely irrevalent as the American version was granted 13 episodes and they had no idea, until almost near the end of the season, if they were getting anymore.

As for 90% of TV shows being better watched in blocks, you need to watch better TV shows.

also for every negative review theres a positive, people here tend to pay more attention to the negative,

Bullsh*t. If you can find as many positive reviews of the finale, or the series as a whole, as negative ones, feel free to post them up.

The Marlboro Man

I'm not trying to be a smart arse, but why bother watching the AMC version, when 5 minitues on google will tell you the original (Forbrydelsen) is the one to watch? It's also 'readily' available.

don ramo

seadnamac wrote: »

This has been admitted by the shows own producer for god sake.

As for 90% of TV shows being better watched in blocks, you need to watch better TV shows.

Bullsh*t. If you can find as many positive reviews of the finale, or the series as a whole, as negative ones, feel free to post them up.

ill need a link to go with that

i watch over 35 shows a year while also watching shows that have been finnished for years, and i prefer wacthing them in blocks rather than week to week, i watch a lot of shows week to week but i prefer when they back up,

ill more than welcome any recommendations of these quality shows your on about,

got so many others things id rather be doing TBH

Richard Dower

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

I....d.... what?

Yup....a sucker born every minute, i see Veena Sud and co. have been doing more spin recently, "we didn't mean to mislead" :rolleyes:

http://www.tvguide.com/News/Killing-Finale-AMC-Hell-Wheels-1035794.aspx

Tipsy McSwagger

don ramo wrote: »

of course it was planned as a multi series, every series is planned as a multiseries, the original version was 20 episodes long, this was 13 episodes long, 20 doesnt go into 13, if the original was 20 episodes and highly aclaimed why in the name of god would you condense it,

im still wondering why people were outraged, so the murder wasnt solved at the end, so what, theres probably 100 shows that done that over the last 30 years, its called a cliffhanger, fair enough i wouldnt put the killings cliffhanger in my top 10 maybe not even 20, but i wasnt shocked or taken aback when it left the investigation open at the end,

also for every negative review theres a positive, people here tend to pay more attention to the negative,

I might be wrong but I would guess that a tv show is commissioned on the strength of it's pilot. If the test audience likes it then the network might commission one season. If it becomes popular then it will get more seasons. The Killing was definitely supposed to be one series (13 divided by 1). The cliffhangers fast became boring and just a reason to rule someone out who they were pointing the finger at. If you want to see real cliffhangers that will make your balls shrivel up then watch Breaking Bad. Even in the first episode of The Killing I got that sense of dread that something was wrong and this would be a poor show (

Linden's surprise going away party was badly done

).

seadnamac

don ramo wrote: »

ill need a link to go with that

i watch over 35 shows a year while also watching shows that have been finnished for years, and i prefer wacthing them in blocks rather than week to week, i watch a lot of shows week to week but i prefer when they back up,

ill more than welcome any recommendations of these quality shows your on about,

got so many others things id rather be doing TBH

Are you for real? We already had this argument a whole two pages ago and I gave you the link then.

don ramo

seadnamac wrote: »

You're jumping to conclusions there and it's actually completely false. If you read the interview that was posted earlier, Veena Sud said that is the ending they had planned from the start, that there was no alternative ending and that they had no idea whether they would get a second season. It wasn't promoted as a multi season show, it was promoted as 'Who Killed Rosie Larsen?'.

seadnamac wrote: »

http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/whats-alan-watching/posts/interview-the-killing-showrunner-veena-sud-on-the-season-finale

That's the interview I was talking about. She explicitly states this was always going to be the ending even though she didn't know there would be a second season. If there was there is no reason for her to lie about it, it would make sense and might actually show that she had some sort of a clue what she was doing from the start.

this interview where she stated that the ending was always planned that way, so you think she planned an ending like that and she in no way wanted a second season

seadnamac

don ramo wrote: »

this interview where she stated that the ending was always planned that way, so you think she planned an ending like that and she in no way wanted a second season

Jesus. They had one season. One. 13 episodes. They had no idea whether or not they were getting a second season. They wrote one season with that specific ending. That's all they had planned. There has been lots of links posted in this thread that confirms this. I'm not posting them for you again, go back and find them.

don ramo

seadnamac wrote: »

Jesus. They had one season. One. 13 episodes. They had no idea whether or not they were getting a second season. They wrote one season with that specific ending. That's all they had planned. There has been lots of links posted in this thread that confirms this. I'm not posting them for you again, go back and find them.

of course all they got was one season thats how shows work, you get one season and you plan to have more, i was on about the showrunners planning for more than one season, which any smart person would do, thats why it ended the way it did, i wasnt saying it was ordered for multiple season, i way saying that the showrunners were planning it for multiple seasons, obviously it has to be renewed by the networks, its all down to them if they give another season,

there are countless show that got cancelled after one season leaving cliffhangers, its the risk any showrunner takes,

Richard Dower

^ and if AMC cancelled it?....yeah, we'd be fuc*ed!!...no resolution, no answer as to who killed Rosie.....*THAT* is the point!!!!!!!!!!

AMC only renewed after episode 12 fgs!, bottom line....Sud and AMC agreed to make a show which had a high probability of cancellation, a show that was about one thing...who killed Rosie, they played the public, everyone belived it was one killing per season and at the end you'd find out who dun it.

They deliberately mislead the viewers.

Richard Dower

don ramo wrote: »

of course all they got was one season thats how shows work, you get one season and you plan to have more, i was on about the showrunners planning for more than one season, which any smart person would do, thats why it ended the way it did, i wasnt saying it was ordered for multiple season, i way saying that the showrunners were planning it for multiple seasons, obviously it has to be renewed by the networks, its all down to them if they give another season,

there are countless show that got cancelled after one season leaving cliffhangers, its the risk any showrunner takes,

We're not talking about a normal show, this is AMC....the premise of the show was a seralised show about a singular killing, everything AMC did to promote the show was geared toward the premise you'd find out who killed Rosie by episode 13.

don ramo

^ fair enough you feel hard done by, i dont, it doesnt bother me that it wasnt wrapped up in a nice neat little package, and shows they had a confidence in the show they made,

there might have been a backlash but chances are it wont affect the viewing numbers massively next season, or i could end up eating my words, suppose well just have to wait,

DeepBlue

don ramo wrote: »

there might have been a backlash but chances are it wont affect the viewing numbers massively next season, or i could end up eating my words, suppose well just have to wait,

Chances are you're probably correct.
After all Lost spent 6 seasons promising "the answers you'll all been waiting for" with each promo and still didn't give a friggin' answer at the end of it.*


*Ok, slight exaggeration but you know what I mean. :pac:

The Black Oil

Caught up with this recently, haven't read the thread yet. Anyway, some thoughts.

I liked the near constant rain and overcast look. Let me guess, they shot it in Vancouver, yeah? I think the pacing was pretty good overall, seemed about right for the slow grind of police work, no fancy forensic wizardry. I liked how the shadow of suspicion shifted over the course of the case - Jasper, emo boy, the teacher, then Stan's assistant and lastly Richmond. But you pretty much always knew it wasn't who they were investigating, which can become frustrating. Glad they held off Stan kicking the teacher around for a while, could easily have gone for that too early, it was inevitable, though. Jamie in Richmond's campaign was quite a dick, but you probably need an operator like that. Richmond sleeping with the other campaign person was a little eye roll inducing.

Michelle Forbes, when you have an actress of this calibre you should give her a bit more to do. Granted, she did feel like more than a grieving mother, but was still lacking something from the writing department. However, after the end of ep 10 she learned about Stan's financial bother, which rounded her character out a bit more.

One main grumble I had from early on was that it conforms to the traditional cliffhanger type thing (even moderately so) at the end of episode to maintain your interest. I'd prefer if it just ended with a few scenes that just 'are', rather than trying to sell you the next ep. Not sure about how the writers were trying to create some of the layers in the show. Good to see the subject of female genital mutilation at least being mentioned in a fairly mainstream drama.

I did find the ending a bit 'ah, for ****'s sake'. I skimmed the reviews section on Wiki before finishing (without spoiling) and gleaned it would be either decent or quite frustrating. I'm happy there wasn't a clean resolution, that would have been pretty much impossible. The Somali community and other stuff didn't really go away and other ripples meant this was something big, maybe human trafficking and more. I'm OK with that.

At least Linden and Jack caught their flight this time. Rosie's character should have been served with better details on who she was, particularly given that we were pretty invested in how they found (and how long it took) her body. Apart from how she was as a student and her hiding stuff from her folks, what did we know? Her character was too vague. They could have done with a few pointed interrogation scenes, though they never really had evidence to bring anyone into the station. I got slightly sick of the 'you have no right!!' line being trotted out.

Must check out the original.

brian_t

The Black Oil wrote: »

Must check out the original.

The original "The Killing" is repeated on BBC4 at 10.00pm from Sunday to Thursday starting this Sunday 21st August.

Autosport

In the first few episodes it was interested kept you hooked but now I just couldnt care less who murdered Rosie, Dont think i'll bother watching the end of the season. :rolleyes: