The Killing [AMC] [** Spoilers **]

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seadnamac wrote: »

That was so f*cking hilariously god awful bad that I'm not even angry about it. What an absolute steaming crock of sh*t. Not just the finale but the whole series. A whole boring, long-winded series with as many plot holes as Lost as they don't even tell us who killed her? Shower of cowboys. I won't be watching next season.

Taken from another review, here's a list of things you would have to look past in order to somehow take this show seriously;

• Rosie’s best friend borrows her wig, then has sex with her boyfriend in the school’s dank basement, while bleeding profusely from her nose, while another guy wearing a devil mask records it on his phone.
• Also, a pervy janitor named after the late Lyndon Johnson is watching the whole thing happen.
• Said janitor turns out to be pedophile, jumps out of window, ends up in hospital.
• Rosie's parents don’t call their daughter all weekend, detectives never find out why.
• Other seemingly basic things Holder and Linden don’t do until well after Bennet is cleared: scour Rosie’s computer (as in, not just take a quick look at her internet history); check the fuel levels and mileage of the car in which her dead body was found; call cab companies to see if anyone picked up a girl fitting Rosie’s description.
• Stan buys house without telling his wife.
• A teacher with a track record of dating his students also has an unusually close relationship with Rosie, but there’s nothing untoward going on between them.
• Bennet helps a young Somali girl procure a fake passport so she can flee to Canada to avoid ritual circumcision.
• Somali girl hides out in a meat locker that has been converted into a bedroom, which Linden and Holder happen to discover at the exact same moment as an FBI raid.
• Somali girl also just so happens to have the exact same T-shirt as Rosie.
  Mitch waits a week to do laundry, so doesn’t find Rosie’s T-shirt until after Stan has beat the **** out of Bennet.
• FBI agent leaves truck containing evidence unattended, door wide open.
• Despite the fact that he’s facing murder charges, Bennet is unwilling to tell police what he was really doing the night of Rosie’s murder.
• Mitch leaves her two surviving children in garage while car is running, forgets about them.
• Between the school dance and her shift at the casino, Rosie felt the need to schlep out to Bennet’s house to return a book, even though she would have seen him Monday morning at school.
• Bennet’s wife does not recognize the man who has already confessed to beating her husband into a coma, a man who is also the father of the girl Bennet was accused of killing.
• Everything Holder has been doing all along has been part of an elaborate effort to frame Richmond.
• Not 1 but 2 suspects in Rosie’s killing fall victim to acts of vigilante justice.
• Creepy stalker Belko basically lives with Larsens and is infatuated with Rosie, but has nothing to do with her’s murder.
• Neither does her sadistic ex-boyfriend.
• Neither does Richmond, who is hung up on his dead wife, fixated with brunettes, and often says creepy, threatening things to escorts.

The only criticism in that I take seriously is the on about Holder.
I don't think the finale was terrible just frustrating as one of the big points of the show was who the killer was. I'll happily tune in for the next season.

Richard Dower

TOLDJA!...more bait ans switch from Veena Sud:

The Killing star Mireille Enos has suggested that Stephen Holder (Joel Kinnaman) may not be a corrupt cop.

In the show's first season finale, it appeared that Holder had conspired to frame Darren Richmond (Billy Campbell) for the murder of Rosie Larsen (Katie Findlay).

However, Enos (Sarah Linden) told TV Line: "This is just my own personal [theory] because I hate to think badly of people. [But] I don't think Holder's crooked. I just think he's [an idiot]."

The actress admitted that she has no idea what Holder's true agenda could be.

"[Showrunner] Veena [Sud]'s scripts have surprised me every step of the way," she said. "I've stopped guessing, actually. I just wait for her genius to unfurl."

The former Big Love star also insisted that her own character Linden will continue to be involved in the Larsen investigation, despite boarding a plane to Sonoma in the finale.

"We'll see what happens at the beginning of the next season," laughed Enos. "We don't see the plane take off, so anything's still possible."

http://www.digitalspy.ie/ustv/news/a326223/killing-star-hints-at-second-season-twist.html#article_continue

Tipsy McSwagger

Richard Dower wrote: »

TOLDJA!...more bait ans switch from Veena Sud:

The Killing star Mireille Enos has suggested that Stephen Holder (Joel Kinnaman) may not be a corrupt cop.

In the show's first season finale, it appeared that Holder had conspired to frame Darren Richmond (Billy Campbell) for the murder of Rosie Larsen (Katie Findlay).

However, Enos (Sarah Linden) told TV Line: "This is just my own personal [theory] because I hate to think badly of people. [But] I don't think Holder's crooked. I just think he's [an idiot]."

The actress admitted that she has no idea what Holder's true agenda could be.

"[Showrunner] Veena [Sud]'s scripts have surprised me every step of the way," she said. "I've stopped guessing, actually. I just wait for her genius to unfurl."

The former Big Love star also insisted that her own character Linden will continue to be involved in the Larsen investigation, despite boarding a plane to Sonoma in the finale.

"We'll see what happens at the beginning of the next season," laughed Enos.
"We don't see the plane take off, so anything's still possible."

http://www.digitalspy.ie/ustv/news/a326223/killing-star-hints-at-second-season-twist.html#article_continue

I think we all are.

I wouldnt count on Linden & Holder to catch the killer since there not even intelligent enough to get in out of the rain.

seadnamac

Here she is again, she hasn't a f*cking clue, even comparing her show to The Sopranos...

http://www.avclub.com/articles/the-killings-showrunner-is-flattered-by-your-hatre,58003/

Risteard

Just finished watching it there.

Thought the series was alright up until the final episode. Not brilliant but it was something to pass the time. The last episode just annoyed me though and has pretty much put a taint on the rest. Just about everything pointed to him being the killer, no alibi, wet coming back, other woman said it he was Orpheus, e-mails went straight to his computer and still finds a way to get him out of it.

Chances are I'll probably watch next season, just to see what happens but it doesn't exactly leaving me wanting more like Sopranos, Wire or Breaking Bad had/have.

Also on the Danish version will watching this have ruined it for me or is it still watchable?

Sudden Valley

Not a bad series but a really disappointing finale. I do feel some sympathy for the writers and would agree that it would be hard for them to create another completely new storyline as compelling next season. I remember this being a problem with the show Murder One a few years ago.

I watched the US version directly after watching the Danish one and enjoyed both so would definitely recommend anyone to watch the original now, if they haven't already done so. The characters, for the most part, and final resolution was better in the original. I think the only problem i'd find with the original, having watched this version, is that there were way more red herrings in the plot and way too much time spent on the politics scene of Copenhagen (a bit like season 4 of the Wire). But the last few episodes of the season (18-20) were way more satisfying than the last few of the US version. The dedication of the Danish Linden (Lund) totally reminded of McNulty in the Wire (without the self destructive tendencies).

Richard Dower

seadnamac wrote: »

Here she is again, she hasn't a f*cking clue, even comparing her show to The Sopranos...

http://www.avclub.com/articles/the-killings-showrunner-is-flattered-by-your-hatre,58003/

:mad: - it's the brazen barefaced arrogance of the woman!.....she is seriously hurting AMC's reputation with her wild claims, totally ignoring what critics and fan are all in agreement with, she's a hack!!

AMC need to fire this idiot pronto! :mad:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/race/killing-showrunner-responds-finale-backlash-204728

don ramo

Sudden Valley wrote: »

Not a bad series but a really disappointing finale. I do feel some sympathy for the writers and would agree that it would be hard for them to create another completely new storyline as compelling next season. I remember this being a problem with the show Murder One a few years ago.

I watched the US version directly after watching the Danish one and enjoyed both so would definitely recommend anyone to watch the original now, if they haven't already done so. The characters, for the most part, and final resolution was better in the original. I think the only problem i'd find with the original, having watched this version, is that there were way more red herrings in the plot and way too much time spent on the politics scene of Copenhagen (a bit like season 4 of the Wire). But the last few episodes of the season (18-20) were way more satisfying than the last few of the US version. The dedication of the Danish Linden (Lund) totally reminded of McNulty in the Wire (without the self destructive tendencies).

it was a season final, is the end of the case, no, why are people acting like the case was solved, it called a cliffhanger people, the case isnt finnished, the original series was 20 episodes long, and was only intened to run for one season, and got a second season due to popularity, wheras the US version is/was planned to run for multiple seasons, multiple seasons means cliffhangers, which means no resolution to a case at the end of a season, also richmond probably was planned for being the killer if the show got pulled, so maybe it was re-edited after it was renewed, just film the scenes and tack it on if its renewed,

on another note the prostitute that said she was with orpheus said he talked about building a stadium in seattle, richmond doesnt want to buiild a stadium, but the billionare fella does,

mikemac

Annoyed with this show

Going to give the Danish show a go, hoping it isn't ruined for me and it seems it isn't

seadnamac

don ramo wrote: »

it was a season final, is the end of the case, no, why are people acting like the case was solved, it called a cliffhanger people, the case isnt finnished, the original series was 20 episodes long, and was only intened to run for one season, and got a second season due to popularity, wheras the US version is/was planned to run for multiple seasons, multiple seasons means cliffhangers, which means no resolution to a case at the end of a season, also richmond probably was planned for being the killer if the show got pulled, so maybe it was re-edited after it was renewed, just film the scenes and tack it on if its renewed,

on another note the prostitute that said she was with orpheus said he talked about building a stadium in seattle, richmond doesnt want to buiild a stadium, but the billionare fella does,

You're jumping to conclusions there and it's actually completely false. If you read the interview that was posted earlier, Veena Sud said that is the ending they had planned from the start, that there was no alternative ending and that they had no idea whether they would get a second season. It wasn't promoted as a multi season show, it was promoted as 'Who Killed Rosie Larsen?'.

Richard Dower

plus 1 above, http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2011/06/the_killing_is_a_holistic_jour.html

she confirms once again no alternate endings

http://blogs.amctv.com/the-killing/2011/06/veena-sud-interview.php

Richard Dower

seadnamac wrote: »

You're jumping to conclusions there and it's actually completely false. If you read the interview that was posted earlier, Veena Sud said that is the ending they had planned from the start, that there was no alternative ending and that they had no idea whether they would get a second season. It wasn't promoted as a multi season show, it was promoted as 'Who Killed Rosie Larsen?'.

What annoys me about people who defend the show is this.....WHY did sooooo many people come to the same conclusion?, that they all thought the killer would be revealed in the season finale?

It's not something that suddenly popped up, people thought all season it was the BASIS for the bloody show! :mad:

But Sud and AMC are now spinning, ooh we never said we find out in ep. 13 or this bullcrap ooh we asked the question "who killed Rosie Larsen?", it's spin!!

I'm sure they are loving the controversy and thinking....yay us!....we'll have huge ratings next season when everyone tunes in to see who killed Rosie....

WRONG!....they lost a huge amount of viewers, the viewers who only stuck with it to see who killed Rosie.

http://warmingglow.uproxx.com/2011/06/veena-sud-isnt-helping

don ramo

seadnamac wrote: »

You're jumping to conclusions there and it's actually completely false. If you read the interview that was posted earlier, Veena Sud said that is the ending they had planned from the start, that there was no alternative ending and that they had no idea whether they would get a second season. It wasn't promoted as a multi season show, it was promoted as 'Who Killed Rosie Larsen?'.

of course she said that, she has to, shes not gonna come out saying "we made a sh1te show and wrapped everything up quickly cause we knew we werent getting a second season" now is she, every tv show is planned as a muti season show,

and i did read the article, bar to collosal overexagereation of comparing it to the sopranos she had some valid points, for every 1 angry person creating a sh1t storm about it its then making 3 or 4 aware of the show and generating interest in it,

don ramo

Richard Dower wrote: »

the viewers who only stuck with it to see who killed Rosie.

and they most likely will tune in next season to find out, the internet only accounts for a fraction of the actual viewship, people who say there casual viewers dont disscuss the show at lenght on the internet, its the casual viewers that keep shows running, so untill next season its impossible to say what will happen, sure look at heroes that was kept alive for ages thanks to the casual viewers who just kept coming back for more and more, every show has an appeal and all this talk only boradens the awareness of the show,

ixoy

I still feel that there's not enough material here for a second season without forcing it dramatically. The murder investigation is closing in and then, suddenly, there's a huge extra element that they appear to have missed out on. It feels forced, a cheat. It certainly doesn't feel planned and I thought that'd be something we'd expect from a show which seemed to bill itself around the one murder.
We need more - "Twin Peaks" showed how you could use one murder to unravel the secrets of a whole town. "The Killing" has barely uncovered anything of any note.

don ramo

ixoy wrote: »

I still feel that there's not enough material here for a second season without forcing it dramatically. The murder investigation is closing in and then, suddenly, there's a huge extra element that they appear to have missed out on.

the second season will start a new investigation for linden and holder, and theyll finnish out the larson case while there working on the new case, blending one case into the next,

personally i think it better the way theyre doing it, building up one case while finnishing another so there shouldnt be much a lull with the build-up of the next case, its difficult spending 6 episodes a season dedicated to the build up of one case,

season one its unavoidable, i think dexter suffered from building up cases, while dexter is a good show i think its played out very safe, wrapping everything up nice and neatly (for the most part) in the last episode of each season and then a fresh start the next season, the first few episodes of each season tend to be a bit boring, hopefully that wont happen here,

seadnamac

don ramo wrote: »

of course she said that, she has to, shes not gonna come out saying "we made a sh1te show and wrapped everything up quickly cause we knew we werent getting a second season" now is she, every tv show is planned as a muti season show,

and i did read the article, bar to collosal overexagereation of comparing it to the sopranos she had some valid points, for every 1 angry person creating a sh1t storm about it its then making 3 or 4 aware of the show and generating interest in it,

http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/whats-alan-watching/posts/interview-the-killing-showrunner-veena-sud-on-the-season-finale

That's the interview I was talking about. She explicitly states this was always going to be the ending even though she didn't know there would be a second season. If there was there is no reason for her to lie about it, it would make sense and might actually show that she had some sort of a clue what she was doing from the start.

seadnamac

don ramo wrote: »

and they most likely will tune in next season to find out, the internet only accounts for a fraction of the actual viewship, people who say there casual viewers dont disscuss the show at lenght on the internet, its the casual viewers that keep shows running, so untill next season its impossible to say what will happen, sure look at heroes that was kept alive for ages thanks to the casual viewers who just kept coming back for more and more, every show has an appeal and all this talk only boradens the awareness of the show,

I think you're way off here to be honest. The only thing keeping people interested in the show was to find out who the killer was. The non-resolution wouldn't be such a bad thing if the show was otherwise good but it's blatantly not. Terribly written, cardboard characters and endless worthless plot twists. I don't see the viewership coming back next year. They'll most likely do what I'll do and just read a review of the first episode to find out who did it and then never bother with it again.

don ramo

seadnamac wrote: »

http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/whats-alan-watching/posts/interview-the-killing-showrunner-veena-sud-on-the-season-finale

That's the interview I was talking about. She explicitly states this was always going to be the ending even though she didn't know there would be a second season. If there was there is no reason for her to lie about it, it would make sense and might actually show that she had some sort of a clue what she was doing from the start.

its called showing confidence in your show, this show is potentially worth millions for her, if i was running a show i would say that stuff too even if i didnt believe it, i believe that that is how she wanted to end season 1,

i was only saying if you took away the 3 or 4 minutes at the end of the last episode it would have been richmond being the killer and linden would be flying off to her new life, that was the back-up plan or vice versa, but thankfully she got her second season and it played out the way she stated so she got her cake and ate it, happy days, roll on season 2:D

it could have happened that rubicon got renewed and then this would never have stood a chance as the budget wouldnt be there for it,

seadnamac

Something else about the show overall that stands out to me is in the finale they're trying to pull the old Mystic River switch where just as we find out the suspect (Richmond) is/might be actually innocent, at the same time he's apparently being killed by someone who doesn't realise this and is seeking revenge. All well and good except they've already f*cking done it like four episodes earlier with Bennet Ahmed, where we find out he's not the killer at the same time as he's being beaten half to death for revenge. The exact same f*cking MAJOR plot device used twice in a 13 episode series! And Richmond will probably survive this one too! Who wrote this f*cking sh*t??

Richard Dower

seadnamac wrote: »

Something else about the show overall that stands out to me is in the finale they're trying to pull the old Mystic River switch where just as we find out the suspect (Richmond) is/might be actually innocent, at the same time he's apparently being killed by someone who doesn't realise this and is seeking revenge. All well and good except they've already f*cking done it like four episodes earlier with Bennet Ahmed, where we find out he's not the killer at the same time as he's being beaten half to death for revenge. The exact same f*cking MAJOR plot device used twice in a 13 episode series! And Richmond will probably survive this one too! Who wrote this f*cking sh*t??

Sud has established a pattern, i'll BET you my snazzy laptop the season 2 will roll like this. The Richmond reset - Belko has already been established as slow, so they'll use that just justify one of two possibilities:

1. the gun isin't loaded or misfires
2. the safety catch is on

Both IDIOT level plot twists in the vein of Veena Sud that can be explained away by Belko's mental ability, ergo lack of. OR....someone will jump on him right before he shoots.

As for Holder.....IT'S A RED HERRING!!!!!!!! :mad: ....i'm telling you now she'll NEVER have the balls or the writing skills to make Holder a bad guy!!
They'll reset that plot just shut people up + once again throw another usless herring in.

I also think the Rosie killing will take 5-7 episodes to resolve next season, plus...the new murder will be linked to Rosie and the political angle, guaranteed!

Conor108

AMC pres responds to 'The Killing' finale criticism

AMC president and general manager Charlie Collier broke his silence on last week’s finale of The Killing, saying the network didn’t anticipate such a strong backlash among some viewers and critics.

“We underestimated the passion of viewers have for closure within this season,” Collier says. “It was never our intention to misguide the viewer. The audience has an important voice, we heard them and don’t take them for granted.”

The critically acclaimed first season of The Killing teased viewers with the tagline for its central mystery “Who Killed Rosie Larsen?” then declined to solve the case in the finale, instead rolling the story into next season in a last-minute twist. The show plans to introduce a new mystery at the start of season 2 and then solve the Larsen case.

Collier spearheaded the network’s rise to become a top outlet for quality drama series, ordering shows like Mad Men, Breaking Bad, and The Walking Dead. He says if the network could have done anything differently, it would have been to do more to prevent viewers from expecting the murder to be solved in the season closer. “I stand by [showrunner] Veena Sud, and risk-taking is what we do; cliffhangers are a staple of TV and a huge part of mysteries,” Collier says. “If I could do anything differently, it would be to manage expectations.”

Link

don ramo

Collier wrote: »

"cliffhangers are a staple of TV and a huge part of mysteries"

:pac::pac::pac:

Richard Dower

don ramo wrote: »

:pac::pac::pac:

Sud claims The Killing is "different" but a cliffhanger is a standard network tv practice, so how is her show any different to sundry others on the air? :rolleyes:

don ramo

Richard Dower wrote: »

Sud claims The Killing is "different" but a cliffhanger is a standard network tv practice, so how is her show any different to sundry others on the air? :rolleyes:

really you think thast what she talking about when she said that :rolleyes:

expectationlost

passion? people are barely hanging on that's the problem

don't they usually solve one issue but then reveal a bigger problem isn't thats how its done, that could easily have been done with the killing get rosie's killer and then reveal that this mightn't be the first time, and surely that previous murder she's so hung up on has to be connected...

X-Calibre

Jesus I was incredibly surprised coming on here seeing the backlash. I just finished watching the first season and loved it. Maybe I've just viewed this series more casually than others but I haven't been annoyed by any of these red herrings and pieces of new evidence that come out of nowhere. For me, every episode has flowed nicely into the next and it's all tied together with great writing and acting. On topic of the acting, there is seriously some of the best acting from the leads I've seen in a tv show.

I'm staying away from all these articles posted because I'd rather not let some people on the internet sway my views. That list of reasons not to watch this show a couple of pages ago was a bit of a joke. As someone said there was only 1 or 2 points I might agree with. I'm going to happily watch season 2 and I'm sure most people who are in an uproar about it probably will as well. In fact, I think I recall Richard Dower moaning around halfway through the season saying he won't be watching it anymore. And here we are at the end, and the reactions are twice as bed - but he's still watching! The show must be doing something right!

Richard Dower

Try watching week to week.....it'll build up over time. I watched to see who killed Rosie!!!!!!!!!!!!!....no other reason, i didn't even bloody get that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TwoShedsJackson

Do yourselves a favour and just watch the Danish version.

Skerries

did they resolve the murder in the Danish version?