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Smithwicks Man wrote: »A proprietary box?
It sounds like so much hassle when I just want to see all the Serie A games and the other Premiership games
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What broadcasters show them all ?
Satellite space, its limited.
Hardly that much!!!
At 90-100 minutes per match, all ten games from any matchday could easily be shown within a 24 hour period on just one channel (some games even twice!).
There are even rights-holders who had enough capacity to show every game live.
Because, of course, many Premier League rights-holders have dedicated sports channels, some even with dedicated Premier League channels - although thanks to the 3pm restrictions just one channel would probably suffice for the next 3 years...
I could give you a rundown of broadcasters fully utilising the 380 match contract based on last season but that won't apply to this season.
Anyway iba has already responded to your request for an example, which apparently doesn't count because you say the channels were not receivable in Ireland (actually they were - via satellite with a minimum 1.8m dish focused on 26East or alternatively using IPTV). So, only channels that you can receive count? No wonder you're not aware that there are broadcasters who make the most of the rights that they pay for
Anyway, TV2 Norway have already said they plan to show all 380 matches next season utilising three channels - TV2 Sport Premium 1, TV2 Sport Premium 2 & TV2 Sport Premium 3.
And to the original point: PL rights across the world are these days sold on a 380 match basis, even if some channels don't plan on showing every game. If a broadcaster has paid for access to all 380 games why wouldn't it be mentioned in a press release?
Although that specific phrasing is probably used because there used to be a clause that no team could be featured by a broadcaster more than 37 times. So, saying a rights-holder has "exclusivity" is not the same as saying they have rights to "all 380 games".0 -
radiowaves wrote: »Hardly that much!!!
At 90-100 minutes per match, all ten games from any matchday could easily be shown within a 24 hour period on just one channel (some games even twice!).
There are even rights-holders who had enough capacity to show every game live.
Because, of course, many Premier League rights-holders have dedicated sports channels, some even with dedicated Premier League channels - although thanks to the 3pm restrictions just one channel would probably suffice for the next 3 years...
I could give you a rundown of broadcasters fully utilising the 380 match contract based on last season but that won't apply to this season.
Anyway iba has already responded to your request for an example, which apparently doesn't count because you say the channels were not receivable in Ireland (actually they were - via satellite with a minimum 1.8m dish focused on 26East or alternatively using IPTV). So, only channels that you can receive count? No wonder you're not aware that there are broadcasters who make the most of the rights that they pay for
Anyway, TV2 Norway have already said they plan to show all 380 matches next season utilising three channels - TV2 Sport Premium 1, TV2 Sport Premium 2 & TV2 Sport Premium 3.
And to the original point: PL rights across the world are these days sold on a 380 match basis, even if some channels don't plan on showing every game. If a broadcaster has paid for access to all 380 games why wouldn't it be mentioned in a press release?
Although that specific phrasing is probably used because there used to be a clause that no team could be featured by a broadcaster more than 37 times. So, saying a rights-holder has "exclusivity" is not the same as saying they have rights to "all 380 games".
Space. Transponder space I was referring is what would be required for dedicated HD channels for ALL Live games.
I am fully aware of what is claimed and what is offered/what can be offered.
I fully understand that you could show full games back to back on one frequency, but it might be difficult doing that for live programming without a time machine for all your subscribers.
Access/Rights to 380 games does not mean that they will be broadcast live. What one broadcaster in Europe broadcasts ALL games live on one satellite platform last season? NONE. 3pm games. Court ruling within Europe in March 2012 precluded that. Read up.
What satellite broadcaster outside Europe offered 380 games that can be accessed via what could be called an acceptable sized dish ?
The only relevance to have access to 380 live games is if you can receive them.
Now outside of having to use dodgy VPN services to access those IPTV streams from outside Europe (ADMC I gather), you would have needed a 3m dish (1.8m ! lol) at least to access BADR6 and still be reliant on good weather.
TV2, Norway. Read up on the cost. ALL games LIVE? 3pm's? No. (wasnt this pulled on Viasat in March last year following EU Courts decision affecting all EU countries ?).
Abu Dhabi TV a free to air operator owned by the royal family had to use Showtime and local TV to distribute its channels at the time because of the PL stipulations that it couldn't be unencrypted. Money was no problem as the royal family have loads!0 -
Space. Transponder space I was referring is what would be required for dedicated HD channels for ALL Live games.
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I fully understand that you could show full games back to back on one frequency, but it might be difficult doing that for live programming without a time machine for all your subscribers.
Access/Rights to 380 games does not mean that they will be broadcast live. What one broadcaster in Europe broadcasts ALL games live on one satellite platform last season? NONE. 3pm games. Court ruling within Europe in March 2012 precluded that. Read up.
What satellite broadcaster outside Europe offered 380 games that can be accessed via what could be called an acceptable sized dish ?
The only relevance to have access to 380 live games is if you can receive them.
Now outside of having to use dodgy VPN services to access those IPTV streams from outside Europe (ADMC I gather), you would have needed a 3m dish (1.8m ! lol) at least to access BADR6 and still be reliant on good weather.
TV2, Norway. Read up on the cost. ALL games LIVE? 3pm's? No. (wasnt this pulled on Viasat in March last year following EU Courts decision affecting all EU countries ?).
My advice? You tell me to "read up"!!! Please read up on the posts you're responding to.
You've jumped in on a debate without actually reading what's been said or debated. Every point of mine you've answered is a shifting of the goalposts (get it?) away from what's been said.
Who brought up live games? You've even gone to the trouble of making the word live bold, accentuating the fact that we're talking about different things.
Contracts are sold on the basis of access to all 380 games. Read the press release brought up at the centre of this discussion. That is the simple basis of this discussion and my previous posts. No specific mention of live rights at all, because in many territories - pertinently, including the territory mentioned in the relevant PR - it is now forbidden to show all 380 matches live so quite obviously the discussion couldn't specifically be about live rights, which you seem to think it is.
The further development was a query about who actually shows all 380 games (again no mention of live). Responses were not acceptable to you as you later introduced HD into the equation in relation to satellite space. You even introduced subscription cost. And further introduced channel location as yet another proviso!!!
And finally, best of all, your proviso in which you were really arguing with yourself. Which was
So now it only counts if it's on satellite? (Just again, to be clear, the satellite platform is not mentioned in the relevant PR - in fact save me the bother and read up on the PR yourself. It's linked to in another post.)What one broadcaster in Europe broadcasts ALL games live on one satellite platform last season? NONE. 3pm games. Court ruling within Europe in March 2012 precluded that.
You really should be a politician you know
BTW it was the Premier League who introduced the one 3pm match restriction (and it was on satellite only mate, broadcasters were still free to show other matches online) not the courts. Again, read up on it!
To conclude:
I never said TV2 were showing all matches live, nor mentioned subscription costs, so why are you arguing with me?
I know what time matches kick off at (season-ticket holders need to!) but why is that relevant?
And to reiterate, I know how many games are, and can be, shown live. So - wait for it! - do the Premier League (who issued the "380 match" press release).
Any points to make which are relevant to the posts you're quoting?0 -
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radiowaves wrote: »My advice? You tell me to "read up"!!! Please read up on the posts you're responding to.
You've jumped in on a debate without actually reading what's been said or debated. Every point of mine you've answered is a shifting of the goalposts (get it?) away from what's been said.
Who brought up live games? You've even gone to the trouble of making the word live bold, accentuating the fact that we're talking about different things.
Contracts are sold on the basis of access to all 380 games. Read the press release brought up at the centre of this discussion. That is the simple basis of this discussion and my previous posts. No specific mention of live rights at all, because in many territories - pertinently, including the territory mentioned in the relevant PR - it is now forbidden to show all 380 matches live so quite obviously the discussion couldn't specifically be about live rights, which you seem to think it is.
The further development was a query about who actually shows all 380 games (again no mention of live). Responses were not acceptable to you as you later introduced HD into the equation in relation to satellite space. You even introduced subscription cost. And further introduced channel location as yet another proviso!!!
And finally, best of all, your proviso in which you were really arguing with yourself. Which was
So now it only counts if it's on satellite? (Just again, to be clear, the satellite platform is not mentioned in the relevant PR - in fact save me the bother and read up on the PR yourself. It's linked to in another post.)
You really should be a politician you know
BTW it was the Premier League who introduced the one 3pm match restriction (and it was on satellite only mate, broadcasters were still free to show other matches online) not the courts. Again, read up on it!
To conclude:
I never said TV2 were showing all matches live, nor mentioned subscription costs, so why are you arguing with me?
I know what time matches kick off at (season-ticket holders need to!) but why is that relevant?
And to reiterate, I know how many games are, and can be, shown live. So - wait for it! - do the Premier League (who issued the "380 match" press release).
Any points to make which are relevant to the posts you're quoting?
First off drop the smart ass I think I know it all attitude.
This is a satellite forum. The Foreign Satellite Forum, not an IPTV forum and definitely not a College debating society forum, least you forget where you are.
I should have been a politician eh. Sadly I chose telecommunications in college.
This thread actually started with someone wishing to access Al Jazeera to view the COPA 2 years ago.
People discussing Al Jazeera in this thread lately are doing so in the hope of having a cheap sub to football as an alternative of Sky for the 2013/14 season. In this case given that Al Jazeera were the likely platform to win the MENA rights and given their subs have been fairly cheap in the past. There are plenty of these football sub threads ongoing under the foreign satellite forum.
People subscribing expect access to live programming. There expectations do not extend to a 24 hour station showing reruns of previous live games.
If you have been following these threads, the expectations of many is
1) affordable
2) receivable satellite
3) showing a few live games
4) Good PQ
The whole 380 games is a misnomer. Some have claimed access to 380 live games such as Viasat and ADMC.
Neither of these pass the expectation test in any event.
ADMC whilst receivable Via IPTV was a nightmare even for those that had the bandwidth, the VPN, and the know. Again this is a satellite forum.
The minimum dish size required to pick up Badr 6 or Nilesat is not 1.8m. This is far too small for Ireland. This is the third time I have said it. If you believe otherwise, try it.
There have been some expectations in the previous posts that it will be on 13E (not likely), 26E (perhaps but BADR 6, not BADR 4) or Nilesat 7.3W (highly likely).
The court ruling on the Karen Murphy drove the FAPL's hand to throw their toys out of the pram. Viasat did not hide the reasoning for this and its still on their website to see.
As of Saturday, March 10th, we need to make a change in the broadcasts of Premier League. We can only broadcast a live match at 16.00 hours on Saturdays. All other matches from the Premier League will be sent as usual, it's only game at. 16:00 on Saturdays affected. The change implemented by the Premier League after a decision by the European Court of Justice and British courts, and this affects the broadcasting of Premier League over Europe. The game we may send Saturdays. 16:00 broadcast on Viasat Football and Viasat Football HD. As of Saturday, Viasat Premier League HD no longer broadcast live matches but only reprized matches. We are sorry for this and fully understand that this can create anger and frustration. Other games that go at. 16:00 on Saturday offered directly sent via http://www.viaplay.se/.
If you purchased the subscription to see all 380 games, a live look at the Premier League from Viasat via satellite or broadband TV will have access to Viaplay free season out. Visit www.viasat.se / try-viaplay and register your account.
Why has this happened?
These changes implemented by the Premier League after a decision by the European Court of Justice and British courts, and this affects the broadcasting of Premier League over Europe. We will continue to broadcast a live game at. 16:00 on Saturdays at Viasat Football HD / SD and we have a right to broadcast it, and the other on Viaplay. Matches from Premier League, which is at other times is not affected by this.
What does the rulings?
Verdicts means that non-UK subscriptions can be used to show the Premier League in the UK. The British Football Association also demands that football is not broadcast on TV on Saturday afternoons when the majority of Premier League matches are played. This is why the changes now being made by the Premier League.0 -
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