Gerry and Kate Mcann promoting Book on Late Late next week

iamwhoiam

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

And I think Gerry didn't tell Kate what happened either.

He discovered the poor child was dead on his "watch", and covered it up. Kate was a stooge, not knowing what he had done. He is the boss.

Sorry, I am punch drunk with all this tonight for some reason. Don't mean to offend. But my theory is as valid as the Mc Cann's abduction theory, for that is what it is.

I certainely think it not out of the question at all .And yes , Gerry is the boss if the body language is anything to go by .

maebee

sunflower27 wrote: »

Hi Misty

I found this site really good for facts... pretty much everything is there and discussed - most posters seem to be anti-mccann though, just so you know.

http://missingmadeleine.forumotion.net

I post there but would consider myself Pro-Madeleine rather than Anti-McCann.

Another site where posters have translated and archived everything in connection with the case.

http://themaddiecasefiles.com/search.php?search_id=newposts

Spanish Eyes

Gerry goes to do his check.

He finds Madeleine has had an accident and being a doctor knows she has died.

He is in shock. But as a cardiac surgeon, knows how to deal with death and all that.

What to do now? omg.

Ok, I can call for help, but I AM A DOCTOR. And what are all the yadda yadda consequences, omg again.

How are the twins? Fast asleep, good. Got to get out of here, and do something with Madeleine. Bins, dump, gone. Bins collected about 11pm or so. OK. I've had a few drinks, but I can do this. I am a cardiac surgeon.

Back to the bar/restaurant. Few deep breaths (what have I done??), Talk, talk, keep it going. Kate will be going back soon for her check, or maybe I can TELL her it's her turn.

Kate finds an empty bed where her child should be.

And the rest is history.

This theory obviates the need to wonder why they were so calm etc. during the meal. Gerry could do calm very well. It also allows for timeline disruption, because they were all merry, and maybe Gerry sneaked back to his seat without too much notice.

The dogs finding evidence in the car 3 weeks later was the result of objects owned or used by Madeleine on the night she died. Not her necessarily.

Mistyeyes321

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Here Misty is the report of an empty apartment ,I dont know if it was checked but I am sure it must have been
http://steelmagnolia-mccannarchives.blogspot.com/2010/10/british-witnesses-we-saw-two-blond-men.html

Thank-You iamwhoiam, I have never seen this before why didn't this get attention at the time it was given? I wonder?.! 6 month's again witheld!:eek: This child didn't stand a Chane did she?!
Onething I don't get is why would this Murat Guy be stood for all to see if he had something to do with Maddie disappearing?! Also the same for the two Blond Guy's?! I'm not saying these Ladies didn't see what they said they did btw it just strikes me as strange they would be so out in the Open if they we're getting ready to Abduct a Child?! Then I think Ian Huntley:eek:!
Oneother thing struck me as strange was the way these two Ladies & the Barrister had a Opinion on the Crimescene so early on not be sealed? What a strange thing to think? I assume they wasn't privy to the information the PJ had gathered by then? So why would it come into their mind?MMMM.!

Mistyeyes321

Mistyeyes321 wrote: »

Thank-You iamwhoiam, I have never seen this before why didn't this get attention at the time it was given? I wonder?.! 6 month's again witheld!:eek: This child didn't stand a Chance did she?!
Onething I don't get is why would this Murat Guy be stood for all to see if he had something to do with Maddie disappearing?! Also the same for the two Blond Guy's?! I'm not saying these Ladies didn't see what they said they did btw it just strikes me as strange they would be so out in the Open if they we're getting ready to Abduct a Child?! Then I think Ian Huntley:eek:!
Oneother thing struck me as strange was the way these two Ladies & the Barrister had a Opinion on the Crimescene so early on not being sealed? What a strange thing to think? I assume they wasn't privy to the information the PJ had gathered by then? So why would it come into their mind?MMMM.!

Spelling again.

Mistyeyes321

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Gerry goes to do his check.

He finds Madeleine has had an accident and being a doctor knows she has died.

He is in shock. But as a cardiac surgeon, knows how to deal with death and all that.

What to do now? omg.

Ok, I can call for help, but I AM A DOCTOR. And what are all the yadda yadda consequences, omg again.

How are the twins? Fast asleep, good. Got to get out of here, and do something with Madeleine. Bins, dump, gone. Bins collected about 11pm or so. OK. I've had a few drinks, but I can do this. I am a cardiac surgeon.

Back to the bar/restaurant. Few deep breaths (what have I done??), Talk, talk, keep it going. Kate will be going back soon for her check, or maybe I can TELL her it's her turn.

Kate finds an empty bed where her child should be.

And the rest is history.

This theory obviates the need to wonder why they were so calm etc. during the meal. Gerry could do calm very well. It also allows for timeline disruption, because they were all merry, and maybe Gerry sneaked back to his seat without too much notice.

The dogs finding evidence in the car 3 weeks later was the result of objects owned or used by Madeleine on the night she died. Not her necessarily.

Not impossible I don't think tbh.
I think we're all going to be very surprised if we ever get the Truth of what happened to Maddie!
I don't know why but when I watch Both Gerry & Kate, I don't see this simpering female other people do.! I think Gerry is very vocal I see Kate as Still water's Run deep!

maebee

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Gerry goes to do his check.

He finds Madeleine has had an accident and being a doctor knows she has died.

He is in shock. But as a cardiac surgeon, knows how to deal with death and all that.

What to do now? omg.

Ok, I can call for help, but I AM A DOCTOR. And what are all the yadda yadda consequences, omg again.

How are the twins? Fast asleep, good. Got to get out of here, and do something with Madeleine. Bins, dump, gone. Bins collected about 11pm or so. OK. I've had a few drinks, but I can do this. I am a cardiac surgeon.

Back to the bar/restaurant. Few deep breaths (what have I done??), Talk, talk, keep it going. Kate will be going back soon for her check, or maybe I can TELL her it's her turn.

Kate finds an empty bed where her child should be.

Where would Kate's statement of "They've taken her" fit into this?

Spanish Eyes

Mistyeyes321 wrote: »

Not impossible I don't think tbh.
I think we're all going to be very surprised if we ever get the Truth of what happened to Maddie!
I don't know why but when I watch Both Gerry & Kate, I don't see this simpering female other people do.! I think Gerry is very vocal I see Kate as Still water's Run deep!

Gerry is the boss no doubt, imo. Kate went jogging etc. etc. to keep herself ok, but didn't look for her child??? But then Gerry also went jogging, and they kept their times too. That was great. Gerry imo told her to do all that, I think.

Big control factor going on there I think.

maebee

http://www.zimbio.com/Gerry+McCann's+Blog/articles/s018RvX_iQM/Kate+McCann+knows+there

Well, it's high time she let the rest of us know! Kate McCann couldn't tell us how she absolutely knew that Madeleine had been abducted while she was an arguida, but after all this time, she hasn't told us yet. In this video, she tells a journalist, "I know more than you do." So, come on, Kate McCann, you can tell us now! How did you know that Madeleine could not have wandered out of the apartment and how did you know immediately that she had been abducted? The shutters had not been jemmied and the abductor probably didn't open that window!

The McCanns on The Oprah Show. At 2.06, there is a chart on the McCanns' fridge freezer, a start chart for Madeleine staying in her own bed. So, this seems to suggest that Madeleine was in the habit of getting out of bed in the night and going in search of her parents in their room.

Why do Kate and Gerry McCann keep referring to their daughter Madeleine as, 'the little girl,' and, 'a little girl.' and 'a child'? They sound like they're either just repeating the words of their solicitor, Isabel Duarte, or they're subconsciously distancing themselves from Madeleine and whatever happened to her.

Transcript of the above video, thanks to jjp.

Sandra Felgueiras: Gerry do you also believe that the...

Gerry McCann: There is one real reason why we've come here and why we've taken this action and this why it is [indicates the poster] it's our daughter who is missing, and who deserves justice for a fair search. The laws of a democracy are there to protect the vulnerable in society, our daughter is vulnerable, our twins are vulnerable. Given what you've heard in court over the days of this trial, we want to appeal to the Portuguese people again, to come forward with any information that may lead us to help find Madeleine, or any other information that might be related to Madeleine's abduction. The number here is 800 814 024. [some journalist asks something to Kate McCann] Pardon.

Kate McCann: [unintelligible]

Gerry McCann: Thank you.

Unknown British journalist A: Tell us about those criminal proceedings that you're starting.

Gerry McCann: Can't comment on that.

Sandra Felgueiras: But do you think that the PJ is not investigating important leads that could help you to find Madeleine?

Gerry McCann: I think you've heard detective Paiva's testimony and that speaks for itself. There's one thesis that's being investigated here more than any other, that hasn't come up with any evidence, and the important thing is that there is an innocent child missing and that search must go on. We would very much like the whole process reviewed, we would like all information held by all law enforcements to be put together and systematically reviewed and identified areas for further investigation.

Unknown British journalist B: Are you going to review that Gerry?

Sandra Felgueiras: We were said that that notice the PJ received had inclusively photos from Madeleine or eventually from some child...

Gerry McCann: [refuses to answer, turns head to another direction] Pardon , sorry?

Sandra Felgueiras: ...have you seen that photo?

Unknown British journalist B: Who do you want to do that review with?

Gerry McCann: The most well-qualified people capable of doing it.

Unknown British journalist C: Who, who is that?

Unknown British journalist Mrs. McCann, how difficult has this trial been for you?

Kate McCann: It's obviously been difficult to hear all these allegations again, and, but is reassuring again to be demonstrated publicly that there is no evidence that Madeleine has come to any harm.

Unknown British journalist E: Kate do you feel...

Kate McCann: And I really do want to ask Portuguese people to continue to help us, please, there's a little girl still missing regardless of what Mr. Amaral and his followers say, and they have their own motives. There's a little girl still missing, and we know that people care about children, please help us.

Portuguese Journalist: You are asking Portuguese people to come forward, what do you have to say if they ask you 'why are you not re-opening the case'?

Portuguese Man's voice: That is the question, that's the one.

Gerry McCann: [looks startled]

Kate McCann: [answers another journalist question - unintelligible]

Gerry McCann: We be delighted if the case was re-opened, we have no problem with that, but what we need is real investigation, not this, not dismissal...

Portuguese Journalist: Did you already do anything? Take any steps to open the case?

Gerry McCann: We, we have sent information through, at the authorities both in England and through the PJ here. It's the prosecutors decision when to re-open the case.

Portuguese Journalist: Did you get a reply then?

Gerry McCann: What we need is. What we need is and this is very, very clear. What we need is new leads, new information. We believe that information has not gone into the inquiry and we want it all systematically examined under one review panel.

Unknown British journalist F: Gerry would you want that, would that be the British police? Do you want a British review panel?

Portuguese Journalist: A reconstruction. If you volunteer to do a reconstruction wouldn't that open the case?

Gerry McCann: We want to create information that will lead us to us helping find Madeleine.

Portuguese Journalist: That will help Madeleine. Don't you think so?

Gerry McCann: Well if it does then, you know, we will participate.

Portuguese Journalist: You are in Lisbon. You could take that step today. Ask for the case to be reopened and do a reconstruction with your friends.

Gerry McCann: We are going round in circles. We would be more than happy for the case to be reopened.

Unknown British journalist F: Gerry to clarify the, we are talking about this review. Its quite interesting. Is that something you would want the British police to do? A review of the entire thing.

Gerry McCann: We'll take whoever's prepared to do it and whoever has the most expertise and obviously we want the Portuguese and British authorities to cooperate in such a review.

Editing/video glitch

Portuguese Journalist: You are asking the Portuguese people to come forward and they will not do it (????)

A number of garbled questions.

Gerry McCann: We don't know when new information is going to come forward. There are many cases as you know of, of children who have been missing for years who have subsequently been discovered. And its when that piece of information falls into place that the children are found. And if people believe, erm, unnecessarily that Madeleine's dead without any evidence then we'll never find her.

Sandra Felgueiras: Are you sure that after this court that public opinion in Portugal will change?

Gerry McCann: It depends what your question really relates to. It's not a popularity contact, er contest. It's about finding Madeleine.

Sandra Felgueiras: You claim that the finding of Madeleine has been damaged with all this Gonçalo Amaral thesis but I'm asking you if this decision will be something like you wish to happen, do you think after that, after this step it will be better for you?

Gerry McCann: I think it will be a step in the right direction. It's about Madeleine. It's not about us. It's about this girl. She's missing. She needs to be found and we are doing everything in our power to aid that search.

Unknown British journalist G: Gerry, have you formally asked anyone to start a review?

Gerry McCann: We are happy to ask now.

Unknown British journalist G: But before today is it something you have formally asked.

Gerry McCann: We are asking behind the scenes all the time, many different things. Of course we want all the information reviewed. It's sensible. It would be done in any other major inquiry. There is a situation we have been advised of in Portugal. But, you know, we want the information reviewed. We want it. It's an unsolved case. It's really important. You would expect that. There is a little girl missing. We must find her, We must do everything in our power. Just because it is hard doesn't mean we give up. We are not gonna give up.

Citizen's Female voice: Why not do the reconstruction, maybe? Why not do the reconstruction, why?

Sandra Felgueiras: Isabel Duarte told to the court that she felt you were under a judgement these days. Do you still feel or did you feel that today you were under a judgement?

Gerry McCann: What's important is the judge's decision. I think that is the objectivity of it not biased opinion. You know, evidence has to be looked at objectively. There is no evidence Madeleine's dead. As far as we are concerned she's still out there.

Portuguese Journalist: Wouldn't you say that someone who accepts that there was an abduction is also biased? It's just one side of the question.

Gerry McCann: Aye. Obviously all possibilities have to be considered and they were considered. One was pursued much more aggressively than any other lead. But you know we weren't there on our own. We weren't in isolation. There were many many people around us. There are many different witnesses that seem to get forgotten about and only negative, er, testimony seems to ....

Portuguese Journalist: But that is part of life isn't it? There is always someone who has a different opinion.

Gerry McCann: We are here. We are standing here in front of you. We are visible. The abductor is not.

Portuguese Journalist: The abductor?!

Gerry McCann: We need to find that person and...

Kate McCann: Yes. The abductor is not.

Gerry McCann: ... and those that are responsible.

Portuguese Journalist: What evidence do you have that there was an abduction? Can I ask this question because you say that Amaral doesn't have....

Kate McCann: I know. I was here. I found my daughter gone. I know more than you do. I know what I saw.

(Well, come on Kate, tell us! You know what you saw? Well, there's a novelty!)

Portuguese Journalist: I'm not saying. I don't know anything. I'm just telling from a point of view where I don't know who to believe. I just want evidence like you say.

Gerry McCann: Where is the child? We are looking for that evidence. Where is the child? What other explanation can explain how she is not here?

Kate McCann: So(???) do you agree it shouldn't be be ruled out? Do you?

Portuguese Journalist: Other people have advanced other explanations. That's why we are here.

Gerry McCann: Okay. Any other questions before we go because we've got a flight to catch?

Kate McCann: Could you just remember there is a little girl missing and we need everybody's help.

Sandra Felgueiras: Are you planning to come on the..., next week?

Gerry McCann: Er. No.

Sandra Felgueiras: Why not?

Gerry McCann: I can't. I've got work commitments.

English Voice: Gerry, do you want to do ???? now.... for the press???

Sandra Felgueiras: How many legal actions are you planning to put in Portugal?

Gerry McCann: If you speak to Isabel. We take all our advice from Isabel regarding further actions.

Isabel Duarte: As many as necessary.

UK Photographer: Will you show it this way?

Portuguese Journalist: Gerry what's your next step?

UK Photographer: Gerry and Kate this way please, this way. In the middle please. Gerry and Kate. Thank you.

British Female journalist: Sorry Mrs McCann, are you intending to come next week? Your husband can't so....

Kate McCann: I've got no plans to come next week, no.

Portuguese Journalist: What will you do if the judge forwards the complaint and asks for the re-opening of the case?

Gerry McCann: Thank you.

Isabel Duarte: Questions about the legal actions are with me.

Who tells the truth? Kate and Gerry McCann or Dr Gonçalo Amaral?

Spanish Eyes

maebee wrote: »

Where would Kate's statement of "They've taken her" fit into this?

Her statement is just that. A scream, a cry. She discovered her baby was gone and she said what she said. Did her cry mean something else? I am puzzled . She had had a few drinks don't forget, and those of us who imbibe cannot judge her words or actions after a meal with wine, and possibly a lot of wine, now can we?

Do you think there is something else in her scream after discovering her daughter was missing?

Gerry is the boss. Go figure.

mrsbyrne

sunflower27 wrote: »

Hi Misty

I found this site really good for facts... pretty much everything is there and discussed - most posters seem to be anti-mccann though, just so you know.

http://missingmadeleine.forumotion.net

I agree. Everybody posting here should have a look at this very typical and current thread from MM.Full of facts, so it is
http://missingmadeleine.forumotion.net/t15691-mccanns-promote-book-in-belgium-and-holland
Theres a real in-depth analytical discussion of this tragic case going on here, so there is.
the fact that the posters who claim to have Madeleines best interest at heart are savagely tearing her mothers appearance to shreds like the evil bitter fishwives that they are should be overlooked in favour of, well...i cant think of anything at the moment...but Im sure maebee, who has almost 1000 posts there to date, will jump in any minute to defend them....

dark crystal

I'm feeling awful, reading some of the judgements levelled at the McCanns over the last few posts.

My God, if these people are innocent....some of the accusations about how unattatched they were to their daughter makes for truly horrible reading.

Spanish Eyes, that theory you put forward about Gerry McCann dumping his daughter's dead body in a bin and then calmly going back down to dinner has made my stomach churn. It's not like I haven't heard similar theories bandied about in the thread before, but the matter-of-fact way in which you described the way in which you feel Gerry acted towards his daughter that night has really upset me.

I don't care if I'm in the minority, or if people think I'm naive or stupid or blind, the thought of any perfectly normal, loving father doing what you suggested in the timeline suggested and in the manner you suggested holds absolutely no water for me whatsoever.

I'm sorry, even it means being ridiculed by people who believe the McCanns were complicit in their daughter's disappearance, I don't care. The thought of that scenario and people buying into it, makes me feel even more sorry for Madeleine (if that were possible) because it would mean that people really believe the poor little pet was never loved by her father at all.

mrsbyrne

dark crystal wrote: »

I'm feeling awful, reading some of the judgements levelled at the McCanns over the last few posts.

My God, if these people are innocent....some of the accusations about how unattatched they were to their daughter makes for truly horrible reading.

Spanish Eyes, that theory you put forward about Gerry McCann dumping his daughter's dead body in a bin and then calmly going back down to dinner has made my stomach churn. It's not like I haven't heard similar theories bandied about in the thread before, but the matter-of-fact way in which you described the way in which you feel Gerry acted towards his daughter that night has really upset me.

I don't care if I'm in the minority, or if people think I'm naive or stupid or blind, the thought of any perfectly normal, loving father doing what you suggested in the timeline suggested and in the manner you suggested holds absolutely no water for me whatsoever.

I'm sorry, even it means being ridiculed by people who believe the McCanns were complicit in their daughter's disappearance, I don't care. The thought of that scenario and people buying into it, makes me feel even more sorry for Madeleine (if that were possible) because it would means that people really believe the poor little pet was never loved by her father at all.

Dark crystal i have read posts over the years that would give you nightmares. It has opened my mind in my middle age to the sick imaginations of some human beings. for example, Maddie was sewn into the corpse of a dead dog and that dog was then thrown into an incinerator,...that she was shoved into the hollow trunk of a dead yew(?) tree.. that she was was thrown into a volcano (her parents did all these things, incidentally). That she witnessed her mother giving oral sex to David Payne, and was murdered to keep her quiet... i could go on, but I think you need to know the depths of the depravity that have been plumbed by posters across many forums in discussing this case.

dark crystal

mrsbyrne wrote: »

Dark crystal i have read posts over the years that would give you nightmares. It has opened my mind in my middle age to the sick imaginations of some human beings. for example, Maddie was sewn into the corpse of a dead dog and that dog was then thrown into an incinerator,...that she was shoved into the hollow trunk of a dead yew(?) tree.. that she was was thrown into a volcano (her parents did all these things, incidentally). That she witnessed her mother giving oral sex to David Payne, and was murdered to keep her quiet... i could go on, but I think you need to know the depths of the depravity that have been plumbed by posters across many forums in discussing this case.

It does make you wonder whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty, doesn't it?

To be honest, I read your link and if these people claim to be on some sort of moral crusade to convince the world of the McCanns guilt, they are hardly the paragons of virtue themselves, judging by some of those vile comments. I have no interest in visiting such forums, though - pure bile and people gleefully sitting in judgement on others.

In fairness to Maebee, although I don't agree with her point of view, I doubt she would condone the stuff contained in that particular link.

I don't know how you can read some of those comments and not reply! Awful stuff altogether.

mrsbyrne

dark crystal wrote: »

It does make you wonder whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty, doesn't it?

To be honest, I read your link and if these people claim to be on some sort of moral crusade to convince the world of the McCanns guilt, they are hardly the paragons of virtue themselves, judging by some of those vile comments. I have no interest in visiting such forums, though - pure bile and people gleefully sitting in judgement on others.

In fairness to Maebee, although I don't agree with her point of view, I doubt she would condone the stuff contained in that particular link.

I don't know how you can read some of those comments and not reply! Awful stuff altogether.

Its hard to reply when your banned. Only posters who toe the "we hate the mccanns " line are allowed on now. There used to be the odd civilized person there to make an argument but the "respected" posters saw to it that they were all run out of town. i mean they wouldn't like it if something like actual facts were brought into the discussion now, would they? Sorry for for bringing it to your attention, but i sense this thread plunging inexorably in that direction, and you really need to know what your dealing with here. Nite now.

deco nate

was'nt it a bottle of wine before she left the apartment,and did i read right
that she was also taking post natal meds?mixing that can explain somethings.but hey.i may be wrong,but i think i saw that in the files somewhere..sorry if im wrong:o

K-9

mrsbyrne wrote: »

Dark crystal i have read posts over the years that would give you nightmares. It has opened my mind in my middle age to the sick imaginations of some human beings. for example, Maddie was sewn into the corpse of a dead dog and that dog was then thrown into an incinerator,...that she was shoved into the hollow trunk of a dead yew(?) tree.. that she was was thrown into a volcano (her parents did all these things, incidentally). That she witnessed her mother giving oral sex to David Payne, and was murdered to keep her quiet... i could go on, but I think you need to know the depths of the depravity that have been plumbed by posters across many forums in discussing this case.

:eek:

Thank God this thread has been pretty well grounded. You wouldn't get stuff like that here and you should bear that in mind mrsbyrne.

Spanish eyes theory is far fetched to me but easily argued I'd say.

deco nate

mrsbyrne wrote: »

Dark crystal i have read posts over the years that would give you nightmares. It has opened my mind in my middle age to the sick imaginations of some human beings. for example, Maddie was sewn into the corpse of a dead dog and that dog was then thrown into an incinerator,...that she was shoved into the hollow trunk of a dead yew(?) tree.. that she was was thrown into a volcano (her parents did all these things, incidentally). That she witnessed her mother giving oral sex to David Payne, and was murdered to keep her quiet... i could go on, but I think you need to know the depths of the depravity that have been plumbed by posters across many forums in discussing this case.

affs!link really,no really cos that is sick!!!!i want to see a link
for what you are posting.
thanks

deco nate

mrsbyrne wrote: »

Its hard to reply when your banned. Only posters who toe the "we hate the mccanns " line are allowed on now. There used to be the odd civilized person there to make an argument but the "respected" posters saw to it that they were all run out of town. i mean they wouldn't like it if something like actual facts were brought into the discussion now, would they? Sorry for for bringing it to your attention, but i sense this thread plunging inexorably in that direction, and you really need to know what your dealing with here. Nite now.

facts?like your last post??sorry maybe it was the one before it,anyway
i am reporting it and awaiting you to post a link to it,the mods can sort it out.g'day

dark crystal

mrsbyrne wrote: »

Its hard to reply when your banned. Only posters who toe the "we hate the mccanns " line are allowed on now. There used to be the odd civilized person there to make an argument but the "respected" posters saw to it that they were all run out of town. i mean they wouldn't like it if something like actual facts were brought into the discussion now, would they? Sorry for for bringing it to your attention, but i sense this thread plunging inexorably in that direction, and you really need to know what your dealing with here. Nite now.

Me too, I'm sorry to say.

I don't know how much longer certain people can go against the grain and continue defending the McCanns here. Still, a thread needs a little balance somewhere, doesn't it?

Goodnight.

K-9

deco nate wrote: »

facts?like your last post??sorry maybe it was the one before it,anyway
i am reporting it and awaiting you to post a link to it,the mods can sort it out.g'day

I don't think I'd want to see the post or thread but fair point, something as bad as that should be backed up. Maybe mrsbyrne would pm a mod with a link?

deco nate

mrsbyrne wrote: »

Dark crystal i have read posts over the years that would give you nightmares. It has opened my mind in my middle age to the sick imaginations of some human beings. for example, Maddie was sewn into the corpse of a dead dog and that dog was then thrown into an incinerator,...that she was shoved into the hollow trunk of a dead yew(?) tree.. that she was was thrown into a volcano (her parents did all these things, incidentally). That she witnessed her mother giving oral sex to David Payne, and was murdered to keep her quiet... i could go on, but I think you need to know the depths of the depravity that have been plumbed by posters across many forums in discussing this case.

well done!for mixing up another case that the pj's solved.involing a brother and sister,now i just think you are trollin.well done

deco nate

K-9 wrote: »

I don't think I'd want to see the post or thread but fair point, something as bad as that should be backed up. Maybe mrsbyrne would pm a mod with a link?

i agree.tbh their has been a lot of great post on both sides about this case.
but this just pissed me right off,and im callin troll on it cos..well you saw it.
its ****e like that was warned would get this thread closed,
which would be a pity,so much info from both sides that i never thought of before

Mistyeyes321

http://gazetadigitalmadeleinecase.blogspot.com/2009/12/not-single-hair.html

Just found this here, Isit true there was no Dna from Maddie or her Brother or sister in the apartment? Just from the Men? If true how could this be? Three children spending a week in this Apartment & no trace of them? How very Strange...I will be pleased to be correceted on this...

mrsbyrne

deco nate wrote: »

well done!for mixing up another case that the pj's solved.involing a brother and sister,now i just think you are trollin.well done

What are you talking about trolling? have you even been reading this thread. another poster agrees with me that the speculative nature of this thread is bordering on sinister! im going to get a link to some of the more purile theories I have pointed out discussed on another forum. I will PM them to a mod. I have already posted a link to a forum, a forum recommended in this thread which demonstrates how nasty and borderline libelous it can get.

sunflower27

mrsbyrne wrote: »

I agree. Everybody posting here should have a look at this very typical and current thread from MM.Full of facts, so it is
http://missingmadeleine.forumotion.net/t15691-mccanns-promote-book-in-belgium-and-holland
Theres a real in-depth analytical discussion of this tragic case going on here, so there is.
the fact that the posters who claim to have Madeleines best interest at heart are savagely tearing her mothers appearance to shreds like the evil bitter fishwives that they are should be overlooked in favour of, well...i cant think of anything at the moment...but Im sure maebee, who has almost 1000 posts there to date, will jump in any minute to defend them....

The women posting on that site believe that Kate McCann covered up her daughter's death and has allowed a media circus to raise money for her financial gain on the back of it.

I don't know why you think they would speak about Kate is any complimentary way at all.

As for commenting on another poster posting there, what business it that
of yours?

I've joined the site and learnt A LOT from it. This thread seems to go round in circles.

iamwhoiam

How on earth can you report another forums posts to the Mods ??? Its like me punishing my kids because they walked past a boy who had been rude to me .

Misty , i dont understand the DNA at all , unless the apartment was scrubbed with industrial chemicals which is so unlikely .Not sure even how it the collection was done

sunflower27

Thanks for that transcript of the McCanns with the journalist.

It is fascinating the way Kate knows what happened to her child. The whold thing is so contrived. Why would a parent automatically think a child was abducted, not off wandering around the complex, in with a neighbour, playing somewhere - it is what kids do?

No, it was an abductor and Kate is sure of it cos she was pissed over 50m away and couldn't see the apartment.

That theory was only pushed from the off to gain momentum and attempt to rule out the accidental death theory.

Anyone know anything about the differing time statements given on David Payne visiting Kate on the evening of the 3rd around 6.30pm. She said he was there for 30 seconds and Gerry claimed 30 minutes. That is one hell of a discrepancy and, given the date, I really don't know why this was not followed up in full.

This was when Kate was in the apartment with the children on her own and crucial in my mind.

DerekWaters

Team McCann on here are acting the same as Gerry and Kate when the difficult questions are raised -- avoid the question act outraged and slander those with differing opinions.

The hotel staff, the PJ, the local police, the state agencies,' the briitish police, the dogs, the dog handlers, the media and many others have all come under attack by the McCanns.

When asked what evidence points to an abduction they say "there is a missing child" and "we know more than you do".

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While I do agree that a lot of the things quoted by mrsbyrne and DC are ridiculous and way OTT. You must remember while ruling out the more reasonable scenarios, that most of what they are based on are the findings of the investigation.