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    #122
    stimpson
    Registered Users Posts: 7,815 ✭✭✭stimpson


    hondasam wrote: »
    religion is free choice, If you Don't like it fine but Don't say anyone that does is stupid. I would not consider myself religious but I do pray every night before I go to sleep. If that makes me stupid so be it.

    If you're not religious then who are you praying to?


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    #123
    mconigol
    Registered Users Posts: 1,583 ✭✭✭mconigol


    krudler wrote: »
    so all thats separating a religion from a cult is numbers?

    lets compare

    cult:
    Led by someone who believes he was chosen by god and is proably infallible (Jim Jones,David Caresh, Fred Phelps, Joseph Smith, etc)
    Recruits people through promises of paradise and everlasting life after death.
    Asks for members to donate money.

    church:
    well theres that guy who lives in Rome.
    check.
    check.

    Ehh...sorry to disappoint you but that's not the definition of a cult.

    Christianity began as a cult but developed into a main stream religion. Not all cults have a belief in god as you say.


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    #124
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    minidazzler wrote: »
    Then why consider yourself catholic? There are other religious organisations that would suit you slot better.

    really who ?
    stimpson wrote: »
    If you're not religious then who are you praying to?

    It's not about been religious, Is this about If I believe in God ?


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    #125
    RichieC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,333 ✭✭✭RichieC


    hondasam wrote: »
    It's not about been religious, Is this about If I believe in God ?

    If you believe in god then you're religious :rolleyes:

    JFC..


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    #126
    krudler
    Registered Users Posts: 34,788 ✭✭✭✭krudler


    mconigol wrote: »
    Ehh...sorry to disappoint you but that's not the definition of a cult.

    Christianity began as a cult but developed into a main stream religion. Not all cults have a belief in god as you say.

    thats just a myriad of irony, so why isnt it a cult anymore? numbers. give it a few thousand years and Scientology will have as much basis as christianity? its why the new cults and beliefs have to be crazy from the get go, all the good mental stuff like people living in whales and talking snakes and burning foliage that can command people has been taken. you've gotta hit the ground running with some utterly batsh1t mental stuff these days to keep up.


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    #127
    DarkJager
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,960 ✭✭✭DarkJager


    mconigol wrote: »
    Ehh...sorry to disappoint you but that's not the definition of a cult.

    Christianity began as a cult but developed into a main stream religion. Not all cults have a belief in god as you say.

    –noun
    1. a particular system of religious worship, especially with reference to its rites and ceremonies.
    2. an instance of great veneration of a person, ideal, or thing, especially as manifested by a body of admirers: the physical fitness cult.
    3. the object of such devotion.
    4. a group or sect bound together by veneration of the same thing, person, ideal, etc.
    5. Sociology . a group having a sacred ideology and a set of rites centering around their sacred symbols.
    6. a religion or sect considered to be false, unorthodox, or extremist, with members often living outside of conventional society under the direction of a charismatic leader.
    7. the members of such a religion or sect.
    8. any system for treating human sickness that originated by a person usually claiming to have sole insight into the nature of disease, and that employs methods regarded as unorthodox or unscientific.


    Yes its a cult.


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    #128
    daddydick
    Registered Users Posts: 407 ✭✭daddydick


    I can never understand why people feel the need to bash others for their beliefs.

    If someone wants to tear into a pound of sausages on good friday, let them. If someone abstains from eating meat, as is tradition for their religion then let them.

    Another thing I can never understand is the way quite a number of Athiests look down on those with religious beliefs. They often act as if they have it all sorted and believe that religious people are idiots for having any belief. Just find it very strange that they have a need to continually bash religious people.

    Anyway, if you're having a nice fry, enjoy it!


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    #129
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    RichieC wrote: »
    If you believe in god then you're religious :rolleyes:

    JFC..

    I Don't over think it like you do. why do people who are not religious go to funeral's, weddings etc ?


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    #130
    brummytom
    Registered Users Posts: 10,572 ✭✭✭✭brummytom


    I'm not eating meat today, even though I eat it every other day of the year (except Ash Wednesday).
    I don't care what anyone else is having for dinner, and they shouldn't bother themselves about what I'm not.


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    #131
    mconigol
    Registered Users Posts: 1,583 ✭✭✭mconigol


    krudler wrote: »
    thats just a myriad of irony, so why isnt it a cult anymore? numbers. give it a few thousand years and Scientology will have as much basis as christianity? its why the new cults and beliefs have to be crazy from the get go, all the good mental stuff like people living in whales and talking snakes and burning foliage that can command people has been taken. you've gotta hit the ground running with some utterly batsh1t mental stuff these days to keep up.

    Yes it is ironic but it's exactly that - numbers! Cults are considered something with a small following with a belief that is far removed from the norm. When it becomes the norm (i.e.mainstream) it is a religion.

    It's quite possible that Scientology will eventually become a mainstream religion. Hard to imagine now but not beyond the realms of possibility.

    There will always be needy, desperate people seeking some kind of meaning for their lives and religion steps in to fill that gap. It's very possible that religion is a product of evolution and a way to help humans get to grips with their ability to think abstractly about their world etc...


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    #132
    RichieC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,333 ✭✭✭RichieC


    hondasam wrote: »
    I Don't over think it like you do. why do people who are not religious go to funeral's, weddings etc ?

    funerals are a matter of respect to me, not religious.

    Weddings are the crack.


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    #133
    GLaDOS
    Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 23,212 Mod ✭✭✭✭GLaDOS


    hondasam wrote: »
    I Don't over think it like you do. why do people who are not religious go to funeral's, weddings etc ?
    Because they are close to the people whose funeral/wedding it is?

    Cake, and grief counseling, will be available at the conclusion of the test



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    #134
    RichieC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,333 ✭✭✭RichieC


    mconigol wrote: »
    There will always be needy, desperate people seeking some kind of meaning for their lives and religion steps in to fill that gap. It's very possible that religion is a product of evolution and a way to help humans get to grips with their ability to think abstractly about their world etc...

    People are afraid of dieing so their brains latch onto elaborate hoaxes so they can pretend they'll never die.


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    #135
    krudler
    Registered Users Posts: 34,788 ✭✭✭✭krudler


    mconigol wrote: »
    Yes it is ironic but it's exactly that - numbers! Cults are considered something with a small following with a belief that is far removed from the norm. When it becomes the norm (i.e.mainstream) it is a religion.

    It's quite possible that Scientology will eventually become a mainstream religion. Hard to imagine now but not beyond the realms of possibility.

    There will always be needy, desperate people seeking some kind of meaning for their lives and religion steps in to fill that gap. It's very possible that religion is a product of evolution and a way to help humans get to grips with their ability to think abstractly about their world etc...

    right so essentially christianity would have zero credibility if only a few people believed it? brilliant.


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    #136
    mconigol
    Registered Users Posts: 1,583 ✭✭✭mconigol


    RichieC wrote: »
    funerals are a matter of respect to me, not religious.

    Weddings are the crack.

    You don't see the irony??


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    #137
    philologos
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,479 ✭✭✭✭philologos


    RichieC wrote: »
    If you believe in god then you're religious :rolleyes:

    Technically yes, in many other ways no.

    When I think of the word religious I think of a hyper legalist, somewhere a long the lines of the Pharisees. I don't think I would fit into that category so I wouldn't identify myself as "religious" but as a Christian. Grace is a big difference I think, and Jesus challenged the religious authorities more strongly than he challenged anyone else when He was around.

    I answered a survey recently for someone at university about the role of religion in determining attitudes. One of the questions is how religious do you consider yourself to be. Honestly I put down not very even if I do have strong beliefs because I don't consider myself to be "religious" really due to the connotations surrounding the term.


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    #138
    RichieC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,333 ✭✭✭RichieC


    mconigol wrote: »
    You don't see the irony??

    nope. Peoples funerals are in churches, what can you do? not go to pay your last respects?


    more often than not these days folks are getting civil ceremonies also.

    The Church did not invent marriage or funerals, they co opted them.


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    #139
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    RichieC wrote: »
    funerals are a matter of respect to me, not religious.

    Weddings are the crack.
    ScienceNerd wrote: »
    Because they are close to the people whose funeral/wedding it is?

    Is this not been a hypocrite ?

    It's ok to go to mass for a wedding or a funeral but It's not ok to say a prayer at home.


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    #140
    RichieC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,333 ✭✭✭RichieC


    hondasam wrote: »
    Is this not been a hypocrite ?

    It's ok to go to mass for a wedding or a funeral but It's not ok to say a prayer at home.

    Strawman.


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    #141
    mconigol
    Registered Users Posts: 1,583 ✭✭✭mconigol


    DarkJager wrote: »
    –noun
    1. a particular system of religious worship, especially with reference to its rites and ceremonies.
    2. an instance of great veneration of a person, ideal, or thing, especially as manifested by a body of admirers: the physical fitness cult.
    3. the object of such devotion.
    4. a group or sect bound together by veneration of the same thing, person, ideal, etc.
    5. Sociology . a group having a sacred ideology and a set of rites centering around their sacred symbols.
    6. a religion or sect considered to be false, unorthodox, or extremist, with members often living outside of conventional society under the direction of a charismatic leader.
    7. the members of such a religion or sect.
    8. any system for treating human sickness that originated by a person usually claiming to have sole insight into the nature of disease, and that employs methods regarded as unorthodox or unscientific.


    Yes its a cult.

    Yeah congratulations you went online and found the first definition in a google search. That's not a proper definition in my opinion.

    You have a great deal of faith in google. Yet more irony.


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    #142
    Mint Sauce
    Registered Users Posts: 29,294 ✭✭✭✭Mint Sauce


    Intentionaly bought fish for dinner tonight, then noticed the remaining sausage and streaky bacon in the fridge. Just had that for lunch. Still having my fish for dinner though.


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    #143
    DarkJager
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,960 ✭✭✭DarkJager


    mconigol wrote: »
    Yeah congratulations you went online and found the first definition in a google search. That's not a proper definition in my opinion.

    You have a great deal of faith in google. Yet more irony.

    It perfectly and accurately describes the church/cult. What more do you want?


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    #144
    GLaDOS
    Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 23,212 Mod ✭✭✭✭GLaDOS


    hondasam wrote: »
    Is this not been a hypocrite ?
    No? The person chose to have that particular ceremony in that building, says nothing about how they feel about religion or god.

    Cake, and grief counseling, will be available at the conclusion of the test



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    #145
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    RichieC wrote: »
    Strawman.

    care to explain


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    #146
    RichieC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,333 ✭✭✭RichieC


    hondasam wrote: »
    care to explain

    no one said you cant pray at home. you misrepresented our argument.


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    #147
    mconigol
    Registered Users Posts: 1,583 ✭✭✭mconigol


    krudler wrote: »
    right so essentially christianity would have zero credibility if only a few people believed it? brilliant.

    No where did I say that?

    It would quite likely be considered a cult. Not definitely though. As far as I am the classifications are not exactly precise.


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    #148
    DarkJager
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,960 ✭✭✭DarkJager


    mconigol wrote: »
    No where did I say that?

    It would quite likely be considered a cult. Not definitely though. As far as I am the classifications are not exactly precise.

    It still fits the definition of a cult, whether it has 100 or 100 million members.


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    #149
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    ScienceNerd wrote: »
    No? The person chose to have that particular ceremony in that building, says nothing about how they feel about religion or god.

    should the same not be said If I choose to say a prayer in my own home ?


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    #150
    mconigol
    Registered Users Posts: 1,583 ✭✭✭mconigol


    DarkJager wrote: »
    It perfectly and accurately describes the church/cult. What more do you want?

    How exactly do you know that is does?

    I'm sure there are people who have spent a great deal of time researching cults and religion and I don't think the definition would be so clear cut.

    One definition that you found online is not exactly an argument winner.

    It would be like me writing a research paper and only citing one source. One source that I liked the sound of and happened to agree exactly with what I thought!


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    #151
    RichieC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,333 ✭✭✭RichieC


    hondasam wrote: »
    should the same not be said If I choose to say a prayer in my own home ?

    :pac:

    you're taking the piss, right?


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