Gardaí struggling to pay bills - AGSI

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In the news today. "Gardaí struggling to pay bills - AGSI" The average Garda takes home about €40,000 before overtime per year. Is this not the same for most people?

El Guapo!

If I was taking home anywhere near that I wouldn't be complaining.

Wazdakka

Jazlyn Attractive File wrote: »

IThe average Garda takes home about €40,000 before overtime per year. Is this not the same for most people?

No..
Most people on boards at this time of day are either unemployed and earning no money, or in IT and are too busy reading everyone else's email to care how much they are paid.

CreepingDeath

That means they should be more open to bribes if you're caught speeding.

KerranJast

The only way a member of AGS could be struggling to pay bills is if they've a huge mortgage AND other property investments that have gone south.

FatherLen

join the club...

Einhard

What are bills exactly? There was a woman on RTE News last week complaining that she couldn't afford the essentials in life anymore, such as er, her son's swimming lessons.

dvpower

Jazlyn Attractive File wrote: »

In the news today. "Gardaí struggling to pay bills - AGSI" The average Garda takes home about €40,000 before overtime per year. Is this not the same for most people?

I doubt they 'take home' this amount. Do you mean that this is the average gross salary?

mikemac

They might have buy to let properties and struggling to get tenants.
There would be quite a few gardai who are landlords

KerranJast

dvpower wrote: »

I doubt they 'take home' this amount. Do you mean that this is the average gross salary?

http://cso.ie/quicktables/GetQuickTables.aspx?FileName=PSA01.asp&TableName=Public+Sector+Average+Weekly+Earnings&StatisticalProduct=DB_PS

In 2008 their average pay (gross I assume) was €1,076.68 pw excl overtime so ~ €56k per annum gross.

lizlemon

I think the issue might be that over the years there was an over reliance on really high OT rates to bulk up their basic pay. Many began to think of this as their basic pay and were given loans and mortgages on the basis of this income.
My understanding is that in recent months/years the OT pay has been replaced with TIL so that's where a lot are feeling the pinch..

I have to admit I have very little sympathy..

suicide_circus

feelingstressed wrote: »

They might have buy to let properties and struggling to get tenants.
There would be quite a few gardai who are landlords

My heart bleeds.

thefinalstage

40k? *Runs to join the Gardai*

They shouldn't be complaining... If the private sector works with incomes in the 20's could come together, it'd be in the news. But over 40k? Fuk off.

MagicMarker

Heard this in the news this morning...

http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0419/agsi_garda.html

The Association of Garda Sergeants and Inspectors says 120 gardaí could not pay their bills this year.

General Secretary Joe Dirwan says some AGSI members are facing the worst hardship he has seen in the past 30 years.

However, the Association is expected to reject a motion at its Annual Conference in Limerick today seeking to have the prohibition on gardaí taking up certain part-time jobs removed.

The AGSI says it accepts that the financial crisis is affecting everyone, but it says following a 20% cut in their pay, its members cannot afford any more.

It points out that 120 gardaí did not receive any money in their pay cheques last January because once some of the standing order bills were paid and the extra taxes taken - there was nothing left.

The Association says some of these gardaí did not have enough money that month to pay all their bills, which is particularly serious for people who often have to prosecute others for not paying theirs.

Some gardaí wanted to be allowed take up part-time jobs to earn extra money but that motion is unlikely to pass or even be heard. The National Executive is opposed to it and feel it could cause difficulties for individual gardaí in communities and result in an increase in complaints to the Ombudsman Commission.

That's pretty shocking tbf...

EDIT: Actually the impression I had gotten from the news that there was no money left to pay them, not that they had no money themselves after paying their own bills. In that case, join the club!!

suicide_circus

So they are living beyond their means.... ask for more tax payers cash to furnish their stupid debts?

mikemac

I believe (could be wrong) if a garda goes bankrupt they are forced out of their job.

A realy old rule and it may affect the landlords among them

snubbleste

This comes up every single year at the Garda conferences..even during the boom. They are one of the highest paid police forces on the planet.
Anyone remember the 'union' billboarding the place with face photos of garda with bruises in order to either get higher pay or less cuts?

The Waltzing Consumer

I heard Sean Quinn can't pay his bills either, boo hoo.

When I think of Gardai, I think of landlords, some of the worsrt landlords you could ever have. I wonder how many of these 100+ Gardai are landlords?

Saying they can't pay bills evokes images of gas or electricity bills, in reality, it is probably a good percentage of landlords who own rented property in horrific conditions and can't get tenants anymore.

Einhard

MagicMarker wrote: »

Heard this in the news this morning...

It points out that 120 gardaí did not receive any money in their pay cheques last January because once some of the standing order bills were paid and the extra taxes taken - there was nothing left.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0419/agsi_garda.html



That's pretty shocking tbf...

So 120 gardaí out of a force of some 13 000 didn't have any money to pay their bills in January. That's less than 1% of the entire force. So 99% of the force are getting along ok, with enough money to pay their bills- and yet we're s'posed to rush in with the sympathy (and, higher wages) for the tiny proportion who are fiscally irresponsible? Perhaps some trainign in financial management might be a good investment...

Guy:Incognito

feelingstressed wrote: »

I believe (could be wrong) if a garda goes bankrupt they are forced out of their job.

A realy old rule and it may affect the landlords among them

If thats the rule then I dont see an issue. It's like the thing of pople gettign their driving licence back early or avoidign a ban because they "need to drive for work" . If thats the case then they should be much more fussy about doing things that could get them banned, not be so laissez faire about their actions then look for the rules to be relaxed for them.

dvpower

feelingstressed wrote: »

I believe (could be wrong) if a garda goes bankrupt they are forced out of their job.

A realy old rule and it may affect the landlords among them

There's something similar for bank workers.
I've heard that management in the banks have been giving out to junior staff who are having difficulty paying their mortgages, threatening that the may face dismissal if they don't get their finances in order.

Its a topsy turvy world.

stovelid

Piles of confiscated drugs lying around in the staion. Short of cash. Head shops closed.

Think outside the box, blue chaps.

dvpower

AGSI wrote:

It points out that 120 gardaí did not receive any money in their pay cheques last January because once some of the standing order bills were paid and the extra taxes taken - there was nothing left.

By that measure, I haven't got anything in my pay cheques for my entire career because I've spent it all.

My name is URL

RTE wrote:

Some gardaí wanted to be allowed take up part-time jobs to earn extra money but that motion is unlikely to pass or even be heard.

Well tbh, I don't think the association have any right to complain when they themselves disallow its members to take up part time jobs elsewhere. That's what everyone else needs to do when they are in financial difficulties.

Bosco boy

snubbleste wrote: »

This comes up every single year at the Garda conferences..even during the boom. They are one of the highest paid police forces on the planet.
Anyone remember the 'union' billboarding the place with face photos of garda with bruises in order to either get higher pay or less cuts?

What do ya do yourself for a living? I might have an opinion on it, typical sh1te on boards with faceless hyprocites with chips on their shoulders, if you want a poorly paid police force accept the consequences, it's recognised as one of the best forces in the world, unarmed, what a fcuking toilet this country is starting to become, everyone watching everyone else and begrudgery thriving!

talla10

My name is URL wrote: »

Well tbh, I don't think the association have any right to complain when they themselves disallow its members to take up part time jobs elsewhere. That's what everyone else needs to do when they are in financial difficulties.

The comissioner last year rejected plea's from the GRA to scrap what they call 'prohibited spare time activities' which bans them from taking up second jobs. Its an old rule since 1922 and Gardai have asked numerous times for them to be allowed to take up second jobs if they are going to get pay cuts.

The Waltzing Consumer

Bosco boy wrote: »

What do ya do yourself for a living? I might have an opinion on it, typical sh1te on boards with faceless hyprocites with chips on their shoulders, if you want a poorly paid police force except the consequences, it's recognised as one of the best forces in the world, unarmed, what a fcuking toilet this country is starting to become, everyone watching everyone else and begrudgery thriving!

Wow, a bit sensitive ain't ya. When a Garda Union goes to the media and highlights these issues, they are part of the public domain and will get debated. Do you not understand that? They INVITED the debate, they sought the debate so cop on!

EL_Loco

I think the main points are:

they get paid well above the average wage
only a small percentage are in trouble
it appears to be a bit of hype to maybe get a pay rise for the the whole force.

thus far the quality of the work carried out hasn't come into question, so I don't know why it should. They get well paid, if they've fooked it up it's their own personal responsibility.

mikom

Bosco boy wrote: »

What do ya do yourself for a living? I might have an opinion on it, typical sh1te on boards with faceless hyprocites with chips on their shoulders, if you want a poorly paid police force accept the consequences, it's recognised as one of the best forces in the world, unarmed, what a fcuking toilet this country is starting to become, everyone watching everyone else and begrudgery thriving!

Posted by Bosco boy, yep that's actually the son of Bosco from RTE.

ceekay74

Awww! Only €40,000....

lizlemon

Bosco boy wrote: »

it's recognised as one of the best forces in the world

Based on what?

gurramok

Again, another 'cry for help' from 'penniless public sector workers' who are 'broke' after paying 'bills'. And again it is not highlighted in the media what those bills are, we know well its the jumbo mortgages they took out.

Same with the teachers, nurses and civil servants, you get paid quite well in this country. What you do with your take home pay has nothing to do how well paid you are. If you decide to take out a loan on a ferrari, it's not your employers(govt elected by the population) fault that you can no longer to afford that lifestyle.

Orando Broom

dvpower wrote: »

By that measure, I haven't got anything in my pay cheques for my entire career because I've spent it all.

I want a second cheque that I can't squander. I want the cheque deposited into a squander proof account where it can....emmm... stay.

jimmycrackcorm

They left out the bit where the nurses they are married to pay for the luxuries.

Bosco boy

mikom wrote: »

Posted by Bosco boy, yep that's actually the son of Bosco from RTE.

1st prize to mikom aged 4

Dangerous Man

They ought to keep their mouths shut. Particularly about bankers' bonuses. It's not their place to say anything.

My name is URL

talla10 wrote: »

The comissioner last year rejected plea's from the GRA to scrap what they call 'prohibited spare time activities' which bans them from taking up second jobs. Its an old rule since 1922 and Gardai have asked numerous times for them to be allowed to take up second jobs if they are going to get pay cuts.

That's bizarre. What alternative is there for the people unable to pay their bills for whatever reason? Are they using it as a sticking point to secure pay rises, or to try and have the Commissioner change his mind about the part time work ban?

AGSI said that the motion to lift that ban is unlikely to be heard, let alone passed.

Cookie_Monster

My name is URL wrote: »

That's bizarre. What alternative is there for the people unable to pay their bills for whatever reason? Are they using it as a sticking point to secure pay rises, or to try and have the Commissioner change his mind about the part time work ban?

AGSI said that the motion to lift that ban is unlikely to be heard, let alone passed.

it opens the door to massive corruption and conflict of interest if Gardai are working other jobs...

they would be duty bound to report anything their employer does that's not 100% legit no matter how small and if they didn't what makes you think they'd do being a garda any better?

snubbleste

My name is URL wrote: »

That's bizarre. What alternative is there for the people unable to pay their bills for whatever reason? Are they using it as a sticking point to secure pay rises, or to try and have the Commissioner change his mind about the part time work ban?
AGSI said that the motion to lift that ban is unlikely to be heard, let alone passed.

A person lives within their means.

HellFireClub

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I'm not saying anything on this...

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PCPhoto

the gardai in this country provide a valuable service.

Yes - they are under-resourced and possibly badly managed.

No - they do not deserve a pay rise - in order to help out less than 1% of the workforce.

I would much rather help given to those struggling to make ends meet instead of a blank cheque given to the AGSI - wont there be loads of overtime when Barrack Obama and "the Queen" make their respective visits.

approx 1% of the workforce having difficulties ... that's a lot lower than other sectors of society - the gardai should look at helping their members who are struggling instead of looking out for everyone.

mikom

Bosco boy wrote: »

1st prize to mikom aged 4

Attack the post not the poster.
It's the law.

pragmatic1

KerranJast wrote: »

http://cso.ie/quicktables/GetQuickTables.aspx?FileName=PSA01.asp&TableName=Public+Sector+Average+Weekly+Earnings&StatisticalProduct=DB_PS

In 2008 their average pay (gross I assume) was €1,076.68 pw excl overtime so ~ €56k per annum gross.

That is fcukin ridiculous.

Bosco boy

Dangerous Man wrote: »

They ought to keep their mouths shut. Particularly about bankers' bonuses. It's not their place to say anything.

I guess they shouldn't be allowed say anything about the private sector who got us into this mess!

Bosco boy

mikom wrote: »

Attack the post not the poster.
It's the law.

Sorry, aged 5

gurramok

Those 120 Gardai unable to pay their mortgages should go to MABS like everyone else in a similar situation.

SEPT 23 1989

Maybe they should top up their earnings with bribes like they do in other poverty stricken countries:D

Einhard

Bosco boy wrote: »

What do ya do yourself for a living? I might have an opinion on it, typical sh1te on boards with faceless hyprocites with chips on their shoulders, if you want a poorly paid police force accept the consequences, it's recognised as one of the best forces in the world, unarmed, what a fcuking toilet this country is starting to become, everyone watching everyone else and begrudgery thriving!

Ummm, everyone is faceless on boards. Including yourself. Unless you actually are Clancy Wiggum. Which, going by your posts, isn't beyond the realm of possibility...

The AGSI brought this up. They made a big deal about a tiny proportion of their membership having difficulties with their bills, and somehow the rest of us aren't allowed to debate it? We just have to go along with whatever the AGSI say and demand??

Bosco boy wrote: »

I guess they shouldn't be allowed say anything about the private sector who got us into this mess!

Course they should. And people are. The difference is, that he private sector don't demand that they be cossested from criticism, and don't respond in such an outraged manner when they are criticised.

Bosco boy

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Maybe they should top up their earnings with bribes like they do in other poverty stricken countries:D

That's exactly what will happen!

Bosco boy

Einhard wrote: »

Ummm, everyone is faceless on boards. Including yourself. Unless you actually are Clancy Wiggum. Which, going by your posts, isn't beyond the realm of possibility...

The AGSI brought this up. They made a big deal about a tiny proportion of their membership having difficulties with their bills, and somehow the rest of us aren't allowed to debate it? We just have to go along with whatever the AGSI say and demand??



Course they should. And people are. The difference is, that he private sector don't demand that they be cossested from criticism, and don't respond in such an outraged manner when they are criticised.

Can we agree to disagree?