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An odd example of lapsed Catholicism and Good Friday

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    #32
    Galvasean
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    Mr.Crinklewood wrote: »
    Perhaps he doesn't like you, or one of the women he was with is a close relation of yours and he wants to avoid embarrassment.

    O..............................kay?


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    #33
    Galvasean
    Registered Users Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    mossyc123 wrote: »
    Quite a lot of people on here espouse a view of completely wiping Christian influence from Irish life.

    If you do this then you should follow through, practice what you preach, etc and refuse to take anytime off for Good Friday.

    So, since I'm working on Friday am I off your hook?
    mossyc123 wrote: »
    If you really are committed to it and not just an "a la carte Atheist" :pac:

    Ah yes, the fabled a la carte atheist, they only believe in some Gods some of the time.


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    #34
    SparKing
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    Who has Friday off?
    It's a religious holiday not a public one.


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    #35
    Zillah
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    Galvasean wrote: »
    *The extra B is for BYOBB.

    What's that extra B for?


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    #36
    Undergod
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    I'm probably not working Good Friday because my job follows the school calendar, and we're closed for a few weeks around Easter.

    ...

    I'll be back with more fascinating tales from the life of Undergod.


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    #37
    Wolfe Tone
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    Sounds like he doesnt wanna go to your party!


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    #38
    Improbable
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    mossyc123 wrote: »
    Easter is purely a Christian festival.

    Christmas is different, taking over from traditional mid-winter festivals, etc, etc.

    fffuuuuu right back at ya mate :)

    http://www.religioustolerance.org/easter1.htm


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    #39
    Kxiii
    Registered Users Posts: 864 ✭✭✭Kxiii


    Zillah wrote: »
    What's that extra B for?

    Blasphemous? :D


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    #40
    Galvasean
    Registered Users Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    Zillah wrote: »
    What's that extra B for?

    That's a typo :(


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    #41
    mossyc123
    Registered Users Posts: 879 ✭✭✭mossyc123


    Galvasean wrote: »
    So, since I'm working on Friday am I off your hook?

    Can you accept the premise of my point.

    It is hypocritical to espouse these views while enjoying the benefits of the day off?
    Ah yes, the fabled a la carte atheist, they only believe in some Gods some of the time.

    Knew i'd be caught on that, Should have typed "anti-theist" :o


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    #42
    CiaranMT
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    mossyc123 wrote: »
    Easter is purely a Christian festival.

    Christmas is different, taking over from traditional mid-winter festivals, etc, etc.

    fffuuuuu right back at ya mate :)

    Wrong. The Christian Easter has also borrowed from earlier Pagan rituals, which were dedicated to fertility.


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    #43
    mossyc123
    Registered Users Posts: 879 ✭✭✭mossyc123


    Improbable wrote: »
    http://www.religioustolerance.org/easter1.htm

    Fair 'nuff.

    Thought Mid-Winter and Summer Solstice were the only widespread pre-Christian festivals.

    Your learn somethin' new everyday. :)


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    #44
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,400 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    mossyc123 wrote: »
    Your learn somethin' new everyday.
    "The Forum That's Here to help"(tm)


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    #45
    Galvasean
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    mossyc123 wrote: »
    Can you accept the premise of my point.

    It is hypocritical to espouse these views while enjoying the benefits of the day off?

    While I do understand your point (I read threads about it here every Christmas) I do not accept that it is a particularly good point.
    If one was given a mandatory day off work (ie: the office is closed) there is not much one can do about that. Should an atheist feel guilty or hypocritical if they used said forced day off to do something fun just because the day off has origins of a religious nature? I don't believe so.
    However, since I don't get the day off on Good Friday it's a bit beside the point of the topic anyhow.


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    #46
    Zillah
    Registered Users Posts: 17,371 ✭✭✭✭Zillah


    Galvasean wrote: »
    That's a typo :(

    I can't believe they left you hanging for three pages.


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    #47
    Galvasean
    Registered Users Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    Zillah wrote: »
    I can't believe they left you hanging for three pages.

    There is no party. This was all an elaborate scheme to make Simpsons references.


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    #48
    mossyc123
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    Galvasean wrote: »
    While I do understand your point (I read threads about it here every Christmas) I do not accept that it is a particularly good point.
    If one was given a mandatory day off work (ie: the office is closed) there is not much one can do about that. Should an atheist feel guilty or hypocritical if they used said forced day off to do something fun just because the day off has origins of a religious nature? I don't believe so.
    However, since I don't get the day off on Good Friday it's a bit beside the point of the topic anyhow.

    Well it seems strange to me to have a party entitled "F*** the Church" on a day when many would have got the day off precisely because of its religious origins.

    The restrictions regarding Good Friday and the sale of alcohol are in the hands of legislators and the Vintners rather then some Bishop in the Vatican sitting on a Gold throne dictating when and where people can buy drink.

    If your worried about personal freedom and the right to buy booze on Good Friday call it "F*** the Vintners"


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    #49
    Pygmalion
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    mossyc123 wrote: »
    Can you accept the premise of my point.

    It is hypocritical to espouse these views while enjoying the benefits of the day off?

    A day off is a day off.
    People here don't enjoy it because of its religious connections, they just take any excuse to have a free holiday (and not everywhere gives it).

    If we had our way I'm sure we wouldn't eliminate it (I wouldn't anyway), because it's an excuse to not work.

    If, hypothetically, we moved it to the week beforehand, which AFAIK has no major religious connections, would you have a problem with us enjoying it then, or are we allowed to enjoy days off if they don't happen to fall on religious events?


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    #50
    PyeContinental
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    Your story is a good example of cognitive dissonance - the unwillingness to recognise a hypocrisy in one's beliefs. I would see the scale of this unwillingness as an indicator of someone's intelligence, or maturity and self-awareness.

    Some people grow up and develop emotionally by resolving these inner conflicts logically and honestly. Others, like your friend are the type who metaphorically stick their fingers in their ears and go "la la la la la, I can't hear you" all throughout their lives.

    I'm not sure if people like this can change, but hopefully it's possible for them to experience a "Road to Damascus" event that will change their mental outlook. (I'm going to say I deliberately chose a biblical term for the irony :) )


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    #51
    dvpower
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    mossyc123 wrote: »
    It is hypocritical to espouse these views while enjoying the benefits of the day off?
    Should atheists try to not enjoy the day off?
    Sounds like a catholic idea.:confused:


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    #52
    AhSureTisGrand
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    Good Friday isn't a public holiday so the day off isn't enforced by the State, unlike the alcohol ban. The day off is not an issue of the separation of Church and State, while the ban on the sale of alcohol is.


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    #53
    CiaranMT
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    PyeContinental wrote: »
    I'm not sure if people like this can change, but hopefully it's possible for them to experience a "Road to Damascus" event that will change their mental outlook. (I'm going to say I deliberately chose a biblical term for the irony :) )

    The Bible? I thought of this straight away:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVu468tMuGI

    dvpower wrote: »
    Should atheists try to not enjoy the day off?
    Sounds like a catholic idea.:confused:

    Zing :D


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    #54
    Galvasean
    Registered Users Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    mossyc123 wrote: »
    Well it seems strange to me to have a party entitled "F*** the Church" on a day when many would have got the day off precisely because of its religious origins.

    The restrictions regarding Good Friday and the sale of alcohol are in the hands of legislators and the Vintners rather then some Bishop in the Vatican sitting on a Gold throne dictating when and where people can buy drink.

    If your worried about personal freedom and the right to buy booze on Good Friday call it "F*** the Vintners"

    While I agree that your name suggestion probably makes more sense (I didn't name it FWIW), I think the name is used for novelty value above all else.
    As a side, we all know very well that the legislators brought the law in as a sort of tribute to the Catholic Church and subsequent governing bodies have been too lazy / apathetic to change it/ Of course the law is rather pointless when you think about it. Good Catholics will refuse to drink alcohol / eat meat whether the law tells them to or not. The rest of us should be free to continue on as normal and leave 'em to it.


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    #55
    Improbable
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    Galvasean wrote: »
    While I agree that your name suggestion probably makes more sense (I didn't name it FWIW), I think the name is used for novelty value above all else.
    As a side, we all know very well that the legislators brought the law in as a sort of tribute to the Catholic Church and subsequent governing bodies have been too lazy / apathetic to change it/ Of course the law is rather pointless when you think about it. Good Catholics will refuse to drink alcohol / eat meat whether the law tells them to or not. The rest of us should be free to continue on as normal and leave 'em to it.

    If religious people didn't force their religion on other people, religion would have died out a long time ago.


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    #56
    c_man
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    mossyc123 wrote: »
    Quite a lot of people on here espouse a view of completely wiping Christian influence from Irish life.

    If you do this then you should follow through, practice what you preach, etc and refuse to take anytime off for Good Friday.

    If you really are committed to it and not just an "a la carte Atheist" :pac:

    I'll be working this Good Friday. I got it off in the past (no holiday pay or anything though) owing to working in a pub. I have to say I don't know anyone apart from bar workers who get the day off.


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    #57
    sensibleken
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    crucifiction parties are great, the queue in the offey on thursday, not so much


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    #58
    Gregor Samsa
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    Zillah wrote: »
    What's that extra B for?

    Biatch!


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    #59
    Delirium
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    c_man wrote: »
    I'll be working this Good Friday. I got it off in the past (no holiday pay or anything though) owing to working in a pub. I have to say I don't know anyone apart from bar workers who get the day off.

    Never had the day off, and none of the companies we deal with have it off either.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



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    #60
    bigneacy
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    melekalikimaka wrote: »
    he took offence, he follows catholicism in the context of good friday. if he is offended by the mocking of the event, he believes in it, its not that hard to grasp or is it???

    See, this pisses me off. You can't pick and choose the bits of Catholicism, or any other religion in fact. This is a major thing which a lot of 'religious' people seem to ignore. Religion is not for cherry-picking. You can't be a little bit catholic or deeply religious when it suits you.

    I know a guy who wears a St. Anthony Medal, blesses himself passing a church, goes to church at christmas and easter and tells everyone he's Roman Catholic. He's gay, in a relationship with his boyfriend for the past 4 years. They plan to go to the UK soon to "bless their partnership". Now, I have absolutley no problem with his sexuality, its the fact that he declares himself Catholic, yet his entire lifestyle is in contradiction of all Catholic teachings.

    If you; use non-natural contraception, eat meat on any friday, eat anything on ash wednesday and good friday, have sex before marriage, don't say prayers daily, especially before meals or don't name your children after a saint you are defying your religions teachings.

    I can guarantee you that a huge proportion of "Roman Catholics" under the age of 60 don't pay any heed about these and much more on top of that. Just because you bless yourself going past a church and go once a year at Christmas, it doesn't make you a religious person. And it certainly doesn't give you the right to get offended when somebody non-religious is exercising their own religious freedoms.

    Oh. I'm not religious by the way. Census form - "NO RELIGION"


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    #61
    [Deleted User]
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    Schools, banks, pubs and off licences will be closed on Friday - anywhere else?

    I will be working on Friday - if anyone here wants the day off it comes out of their annual holidays.

    I work with a lot of people in England who find it hard to believe Catholic Ireland doesn't have a four day weekend.

    Last Good Friday I went to a house warming party - drink was flowing but the older people at the party made the hosts hold off on the nibbles until after midnight. I went in a tux - it was a good night.


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